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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => 20th Century => Topic started by: Sunray on 31 July 2017, 11:17:41 PM

Title: Dominican V Haiti circa late 1950s
Post by: Sunray on 31 July 2017, 11:17:41 PM
Some adventures in 3mm prompted me to look at these neighbours .  In the post war period - late 50s - Dominican army were in German helmet (Haiti in US gear)

Is there any images of the colour of this Dominican kit ?  It looks light tan in b& w .

I am thinking redundant WW2 Germans  could live to play another day.  :)
Title: Re: Dominican V Haiti circa late 1950s
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 01 August 2017, 01:05:20 AM
Hello

Not much information around.

Have a look here http://uotw.heavenforum.org/t742-dominican-republic-uniforms-ww2?highlight=dominican (http://uotw.heavenforum.org/t742-dominican-republic-uniforms-ww2?highlight=dominican) and here http://uotw.heavenforum.org/t108-german-helmets-worn-by-dominican-republic-army (http://uotw.heavenforum.org/t108-german-helmets-worn-by-dominican-republic-army).

My guess would be faded USMC or US army surplus uniform/kit. Here's some pics of Columbian troops in similar gear from the 30s:-

(http://www.ipmsbogotaar.net/images/articulos/desfccp1.jpg)(http://www.ipmsbogotaar.net/images/articulos/desfccp2.jpg)

Here's a b&w with the description - "Late 1950s Dominican Republic soldiers with stahlhelm M53 helmets, NATO-standard FN FAL assault rifles, and American M1936 belts from WWII Lend-Lease."

(https://wwiiafterwwii.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/domrep.jpg?w=809)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: Dominican V Haiti circa late 1950s
Post by: Sunray on 01 August 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Thanks Vic.  The hassle will be getting some variation in the light sand coloured uniforms between the combatants.  The Dominican German style helmet does look dark - too dark for grey (this reminds me of watching snooker on a B&W TV !) It might be dark earth ? 

I was watching Death in Paradise last night and was inspired by the Saint Marie's Police Chief uniform - rather than being a prisoner of historic confines - the fictional Isle of St Marie will be the setting.   Threat from a more belligerent neighbour, WW2 surplus kit (M3 'Honey' tanks) BKC rules and .....lots of palm trees & blue water.
Title: Re: Dominican V Haiti circa late 1950s
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 August 2017, 11:31:41 AM
Possibly American Olive Drab on those bone domes?
Title: Re: Dominican V Haiti circa late 1950s
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 02 August 2017, 06:19:50 AM
Hello

Quote from: Sunray on 01 August 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Thanks Vic.  The hassle will be getting some variation in the light sand coloured uniforms between the combatants.  The Dominican German style helmet does look dark - too dark for grey (this reminds me of watching snooker on a B&W TV !) It might be dark earth ? 

I was watching Death in Paradise last night and was inspired by the Saint Marie's Police Chief uniform - rather than being a prisoner of historic confines - the fictional Isle of St Marie will be the setting.   Threat from a more belligerent neighbour, WW2 surplus kit (M3 'Honey' tanks) BKC rules and .....lots of palm trees & blue water.

Below is information on what was supplied during WW2 to the 2 countries:-

QuoteHaiti-
5,000 "Breeches, Khaki Cotton"
5,000 "Coat, Cotton Khaki, High Collar"
2,000 "Coat, Cotton OD"
3,000 "Shirt, Cotton Khaki, EM"
430 "Raincoat"
13,100 "Cap, Field, Garrison, EM, Cotton"
2,000 "Hat, Working, Denim Brown"
5,000 "Drawers, Wool, Knee Length"
20,200 "Undershirts, Summer Sleeveless"
3,000 "Shoes, Service, Black"
10,350 "Socks, Tan"
1,000 "Axe, Intrench, M1910 w/Hdle, & Carr."
1,000 "Pickmattock, Intrenching"
1,000 "Shovel, Intrenching"
200 "Belt, Pistol or Revolver, M1936"
7,400 "Belt, Web Waist, M1937"
1,000 "Canteens, Various"
1,000 "Cans, Meat"
1,000 "Haversack, M1928"
1,300 "Blanket, Wool, OD M1934"
1,000 "Pouch, First Aid Packet, M1924-1941"


Dominican Republic-
6,000 "Leggings, Various"
1,300 "Raincoats"
4,000 "Shoes, Black, Rebuilt"
10,000 "Socks, Tan"
30,000 "Undershirts, Summer, Sleeveless"
2,120 "Belt, Cart. Cal. .30 Dsmtd M1923"
6,000 "Belt, Web Waist, M1937"
3,000 "Pouch, First Aid Packet, M1924-1941"
300 "Blanket, Saddle OD"
3,000 "Blanket, Wool, OD M1934"
3,000 "Canteens, Various"
3,000 "Can, Meat"
1,000 "Haversacks, M1928"
1,600 "Belt, Cart. Cal. .30 Dsmtd, M1923"
2,000 "Shovel, Intrenching"
3,000 "Tent, Shelter Half, w/Pins & Poles

Also below is a topic from AxisHistory that talks about US Khaki Tropical Uniform in that area:-

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=183600&hilit=haiti (https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=183600&hilit=haiti)

Looks like they both might have worn it  :).

Maybe you could write a special rule for mistaken identity/recognition/friendly fire -  :D.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan