There may be debate on some of these, but this is what I think is missing from the overall 10mm field (not just our good and gracious hosts, I mean to say):
10) Thracians. There is very little available here. They were feared and respected in the ancient world, and much used as auxiliaries, but who caters to the gamer seeking a Thracian army? Newlines do a good peltast pack, but with only two positions included they don't really lend themselves to the main body of a fierce irregular army. The Pendraken Bastarnae falxman could be converted with the addition of cloak and pelta, but that's about it. Note that we have lots of contemporary paintings, and it's clear that Thracians really didn't wear helmets until they put on uniforms in Hellenistic armies. Cavalry, archers and slingers - irrumate omnia.
9) Dark ages Franks. Horizontally striped tunics, shaved back of head, throwing axe, cloaks, and a reputation for fierce charges that heralds what they were to do when they learned to ride. Invaluable components in Hunnic and late Roman armies too. And nobody makes one suitable figure!
8 ) T'ang Chinese. Again, nobody does anything here, and they're probably the biggest and baddest of dark ages Chinese armies (lots of cataphracts, for a start). They pushed so far west that they banged heads against the Abbasid Caliphate far beyond India. And the Chinese regard the period as the high-water mark of Chinese civilisation.
7) Hebrews. There were Jewish armies before the late twentieth century! And they had a finger in every pie for centuries.
6) Safavid Persians. Major enemies for Ottomans and for Moghuls. Some figures could be proxied (as, indeed, must most Moghuls), but there are a few that would need dedicated sculpts.
5) Xhosas. It's understandable that the Zulus get the limelight, but the Brits, the Boers, and the other natives in SA also fought Xhosas at great length, and they even have a sort of Joan of Arc figure to get them into worse trouble. And no, they don't look remotely like Zulu troops.
4) Fuzzy Wuzzy riflemen. The hairstyle for Rugga Rugga isn't that similar.
3) Tuaregs. Very distinctive shields, and the Foreign Legion could use some more opponents.
2) Ming. Although quite a bit can be proxied from Sung ranges, there are still many types not available (including Korean allies). With Sengoku Japanese so deservedly popular, why doesn't someone give them their only foreign enemy?
1) I'm sure anyone who's read this far knows what the grand enchilada in no. 1 place is.
A mariachi band one assumes. :)
No 1 has to be a comprehensive range of modern tanks and infantry........except Centurions....
NOT EVER BLOODY AZTECS, after all the chocolate would melt in the mould.
Still have my "Feed me Aztecs" badge :-[ ;D
Is number 1 Duckmen?
Interesting list.
However, I'm not touching this one with the proverbial bargepole.
Dd you ever read "the Russia House"? Or see the film with Sean Connery? It's a John le Carre so nobody actually knows what's going on, but the hero makes contact with some Russian dissidents and the Western Intelligence Agnecies get involved and give him a list of questions to ask the Russian dissidents. He get the girl (Michelle Ppffeiffpher) by passing the question to the Russian authorities because the questions told the Russians an awful lot about what the Western Intelligence Agencies knew.
Just reflecting that perhaps this list tells us a lot about Kitty's proclivities.
Well, my no. 1 favourite is SYW, but I'm pretty happy with what's available already.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 13 July 2017, 06:24:32 AM
NOT EVER BLOODY AZTECS, after all the chocolate would melt in the mould.
It is this very attitude that has recently caused me to proxy the big A's with orcs.
Quote from: d_Guy on 13 July 2017, 01:09:05 PM
It is this very attitude that has recently caused me to proxy the big A's with orcs.
Don't recognise that confectionary
before anything new the other ranges should be finished off
Quote from: old smokie on 13 July 2017, 01:25:49 PM
before anything new the other ranges should be finished off
Ahem...I tried to make it clear I was talking about the entire range of available 10mm figures in the time/space continuum, not clamouring for what I thought Pendraken should be making. There are a number of items on the list I'd have little interest in buying, in fact.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 13 July 2017, 01:13:38 PM
Don't recognise that confectionary
Sorry - they are like the M3 Honey but without the gun and treads.
Is that like a Crunchie Bar? I haven't had an Aztec bar in Years. Do they even still make them?
I due miss my 1912-1923 Greeks :) And 1919-1923 Ottomans. Others I can proxy well.
QuoteAhem...I tried to make it clear I was talking about the entire range of available 10mm figures in the time/space continuum, not clamoring for what I thought Pendraken should be making. There are a number of items on the list I'd have little interest in buying, in fact.
My comment was not aimed at you or anyone else for that matter I was merely stating my opinion, Pendraken is not the only manufacturer with unfinished ranges many others are guilty of it also. All the other ranges should be finished first before anything else new. I think we should have a poll to decide the queue position of all other requests etc for new ranges, and no Aztecs or centurions ;D
Hello FierceKitty
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 July 2017, 03:59:21 AM
8 ) T'ang Chinese. Again, nobody does anything here, and they're probably the biggest and baddest of dark ages Chinese armies (lots of cataphracts, for a start). They pushed so far west that they banged heads against the Abbasid Caliphate far beyond India. And the Chinese regard the period as the high-water mark of Chinese civilisation.
The main problem with Tang is getting everybody to agree on what they actually looked like :). I looked at doing these in 15mm a long time ago and it was problematic to say the least. People respond with stills from movies or John Greer's WRG book (I still have this in my library).
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 July 2017, 03:59:21 AM
2) Ming. Although quite a bit can be proxied from Sung ranges, there are still many types not available (including Korean allies). With Sengoku Japanese so deservedly popular, why doesn't someone give them their only foreign enemy?
No there's not much available. Irregular do Sung and Kallistra make Medieval Chinese and Korean but they are large sculpts. What do you see as the major omissions?
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan (A wargamer with a continuing soft spot for Chinese and Indian armies)
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 13 July 2017, 10:19:26 PM
No there's not much available. Irregular do Sung and Kallistra make Medieval Chinese and Korean but they are large sculpts. What do you see as the major omissions?
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan (A wargamer with a continuing soft spot for Chinese and Indian armies)
Well, I'd love a few of those multiple rocket-launchers on wheelbarrows. The primitive handguns they used look good (long ones with three barrels, and little ones resembling vases). Infantry with bidents or tridents (maybe cavalry too). Guardsman with axe. Korean hwachas.
You kept Greer's book? I bought it and gave it away on the same day!
Latin was in error. Should have read pedicate omnia. Mixing up my perversions. :-[
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 July 2017, 11:53:36 PM
You kept Greer's book? I bought it and gave it away on the same day!
It's more a nostalgia thing. This was one of my first 'big' purchases about 40 odd years ago :).
The research that was sent to me from Korea, when I did my range, surmised that those unusual handguns were signal guns.
I've sometimes wondered what a volley of Very pistols might accomplish.
A nice firework display !
You've obviously never had a flare shot at you!
Story from our RSM - on riot control duty they were issued with only trace ammunition. Theory was that it was non- lethal - WRONG ! Rioter with machete charged him, he fired at close range, apparently the target glowed for some considerable time.
As to firing flares at people, they are low velocity and inaccurate, so you should be able to dodge easy.
IanS
The French Foreign Legion could do with
Gun crew - a number of artillery pieces available would do as proxies
Loaded mules with various loads including guns and machine guns
Some mounted infantry
Quote from: Orcs on 05 October 2017, 11:58:34 AM
The French Foreign Legion could do with
Gun crew - a number of artillery pieces available would do as proxies
Loaded mules with various loads including guns and machine guns
Some mounted infantry
They would be useful
Quote from: ianrs54 on 15 July 2017, 10:00:09 AMAs to firing flares at people, they are low velocity and inaccurate, so you should be able to dodge easy.
Possibly, but you would probably put a hell of a lot of effort into it...
10, 9 & 7!
More infantry and support for the Foreign Legion plus fitting adversaries would certainly be something I would be interested in.
At this moment I'm looking into useful figures for an early ACW scenario like 1st Manassas. Troops in frock coats with kepis or shakos, fringed epaulettes, cross- and waistbelt etc. Also troops wearing kepis in havelocks and battleshirts would be welcome!
I just ordered some from other ranges to see if they will do but I see a few omissions looming.
Cheers,
Rob
Might as well mention that missing 6pdr - very useful for most 61, 62 and early 63 plus western theatre scenarios.
For WW1 there are lot of artillery pieces, particularly early war that are hard to find in any scale. If this was addressed I'd be interested in 10mm 1914/15.
203 mm howitzer M1931 (B-4) - aka "Stalin's Sledgehammer"
Used by the Russians in WW2 and reintroduced by the Ukrainians in 2015!
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/dc/0f/f3dc0f605f24ea342702c1cd758c7cac--berlin--big-guns.jpg)
Hello Orcs
Quote from: Orcs on 05 October 2017, 11:58:34 AM
The French Foreign Legion could do with
Gun crew - a number of artillery pieces available would do as proxies
Loaded mules with various loads including guns and machine guns
Some mounted infantry
There is the mountain gun on mule NW11 from the NW Frontier range
(http://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/1566/NW11.jpg)
Wouldn't the early WW1 French artillery crew in kepi be a proxy for FFL crew? Can't find a pic, sorry.
What about some of the South American Pacific War troops, SAP12 Mounted on mule, kepi, havelock, carbine?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/TUrnmuK07rI/AAAAAAAACPo/K_pQw1EHjx4/s1600/SANY0502.JPG)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan