Pendraken Miniatures Forum

Wider Wargaming => Non-Pendraken Stuff => Topic started by: Sunray on 11 July 2017, 12:25:30 PM

Title: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 11 July 2017, 12:25:30 PM
It began in a charity shop. My wife purchased a battered box  Airfix 1/600 Ark Royal kit for £1. I built it, and added a few items from PT Dockyard, Peter Pig, H&R and Oddzial Osmy .  All 1/600

You get 15 micro tanks for your £2.95, but.....as they are mounted on the ratio of at least 3 per base, you represent the same tanks be they (a) deployed in a line or (b) in a column or (c) hull down.

Real Estate.  I have used some Monopoly houses- even filed down roof eves and stuck 2 green ones together.
The Monopoly city types have potential for BUA. Anyone familiar with them ?  :-   Genuine 1/600 scenery is in short supply.   

Looking at a 1930 fictional spate between two banana republics - one side favoured by the Axis/Fascists.   One Amera island will serve a much disputed midway Iwo Jima with its runway.

And I need a composite set of rules. Dave Gregory very kindly sent me a set for 1/600 WW2, but I need to morph with BKC to get an all arms formula. 

Any tips, suppliers esp scenery, and your own experiences  most welcome.  8)

Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 11 July 2017, 12:41:22 PM
Some blogs to look at:

http://tinytanks3mm.blogspot.ca/

https://nanotanks.wordpress.com/

http://verytinywars.blogspot.ca/?wref=bif

http://2mm-madness.blogspot.ca/search?updated-max=2011-11-23T21:01:00-08:00&max-results=7

Some terrain:

http://www.supremelittleness.co.uk/

https://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/3mm-middle-eastern-buildings-1023-c.asp

http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/SmallScaleScenery/index.html (Though in 2mm rather than 3mm, and will look smaller than other buildings).

http://bayareayards.virtualscratchbuilder.com/ (my favourites)

http://gcmini.mybigcommerce.com/3mm-city-buildings/

http://www.totalbattleminiatures.com/skirmish/3mm/westerneurope.html

There's also some other stuff - Peter Pig do some 1/600 with their ACW ship range, there's obviously the O8 stuff from Picoarmour, who also do the old Simply 6 range of 1/600 buildings that are excellent too. Magister Militum also does some 3mm stuff, mostly ancients right now: https://www.magistermilitum.com/scale/3mm.html#order=name&limit=36&p=1&dir=ASC&cat

There's some architectural modelling stuff that works too: http://www.microformmodels.com/

There's also some stuff on shapeways, though it tends to be very pricey: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/frenobulax?s=0&section=1%2F700+Buildings+%28European%29

Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 11 July 2017, 03:39:33 PM
Many thanks Nick - a few here that I had missed via the search engine.   I will need to harbour base areas (one for each player) and the Island in the middle.   I am using Peter Pig/Bay Area for one base, and Total Battle for the other. The Puck Harbour in 1/400 blodged down scale etc.

Looks like I am going to have to scratch build a control tower.  I have on in 1/300 so will simply reduce by 50%
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Leman on 11 July 2017, 04:55:42 PM
I game some of my ACW stuff in 3mm - mainly using Peter Pig, but also Osmy Odzial. Supreme Littleness also makes some very nice 3mm MDF terrain.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/3mm%20ACW%20Peter%20Pig/IMG_1861_zpsgkcxe3nf.jpg)


(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/3mm%20ACW%20Peter%20Pig/IMG_1859_zpslht0uo5a.jpg)


(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/3mm%20ACW%20Peter%20Pig/IMG_1893_zpsbmascxyy.jpg)
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 11 July 2017, 04:57:24 PM
Tumbling Dice do some as 'ground targets' for bombing raids...
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 12 July 2017, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 11 July 2017, 04:57:24 PM
Tumbling Dice do some as 'ground targets' for bombing raids...

What are they classed under? I looked under "universal items" and see only sandbagged positions as a listed structure.  :o
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 July 2017, 11:08:41 AM
That's because he has never photographed them, but for example, German kit: http://www.tumblingdiceuk.com/product-category/1600/land/german-land

Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 12 July 2017, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 12 July 2017, 11:08:41 AM
That's because he has never photographed them, but for example, German kit: http://www.tumblingdiceuk.com/product-category/1600/land/german-land



Ah we are at cross purposes.  I was aware of TD's AFVs & infantry -but was looking real estate/buildings in 1/600 - don't think TD does them ?
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Fenton on 12 July 2017, 02:27:53 PM
I haven't used them personally but Brigade Models small scale scenery are meant to fit in nicely with OO models

http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/SmallScaleScenery/
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 July 2017, 02:29:11 PM
Quote from: Sunray on 12 July 2017, 02:18:48 PM
Ah we are at cross purposes.  I was aware of TD's AFVs & infantry -but was looking real estate/buildings in 1/600 - don't think TD does them ?
Sorry old bean.
Timecast 6mm ww1 & 2 fortifications and scenery?
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Fenton on 12 July 2017, 02:32:01 PM
Paper terrain do some 3mm card villages

http://paperterrain.mybisi.com/products/3mm-products
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Leman on 12 July 2017, 03:13:32 PM
This is an example of Total Battle Miniatures 3mm terrain with some 6mm figures. The TBM stuff works well with the Peter Pig ACW Riverine stuff.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/BBB%206mm%20armies/IMG_1574_zpsoekdmsga.jpg)
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Wulf on 12 July 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: Fenton on 12 July 2017, 02:32:01 PM
Paper terrain do some 3mm card villages
http://paperterrain.mybisi.com/products/3mm-products
They're fun. A bit cartoony looking, but not too much, just a bit bright & lacking colour variation, and I didn't bother even attempting the double buildings (they all come with a ruined version over which a complete version sits), but they work.
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Leman on 12 July 2017, 05:49:53 PM
I've seen those used in Great War Spearhead 2 - they make very effective compact terrain. I used some before I had seen those pictures so my effort was a bit naff, but it at least shows you what they look like.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/BBB%206mm%20armies/IMG_1569_zpsb1ee9t5j.jpg)
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 12 July 2017, 10:49:43 PM
Hello again

If you're looking for a cheap solution probably go with card buildings. the beauty of these is that if you find some in a different scale you can always scale them down. So a 1/87 building can be scaled to 14.5% for 1/600. And you just leave off the fiddly bits  :D.

Some links to look through:-

http://www.maquettes-papier.net/forumenpapier/topic9428-30.html (http://www.maquettes-papier.net/forumenpapier/topic9428-30.html)

http://hamapaper2.zouri.jp/thumblink2/thumb55.html (http://hamapaper2.zouri.jp/thumblink2/thumb55.html)

http://papermau.blogspot.com.au/search/label/architecture (http://papermau.blogspot.com.au/search/label/architecture)

A bit smaller at 1/700 is the Hasegawa harbour set http://www.ebay.com/itm/31510-1-700-Model-Kit-Scenery-Accessory-Harbour-Naval-Port-Set-Tamiya-Hasegawa-/131812968773 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/31510-1-700-Model-Kit-Scenery-Accessory-Harbour-Naval-Port-Set-Tamiya-Hasegawa-/131812968773)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/E-4AAOSwVghXFLx4/s-l500.jpg)

Cheers

Vic/GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 13 July 2017, 06:46:14 AM
Many thanks for all the advice, links, images and suggestions.  I have initial orders in for troops, vehicles, ships, aircraft, and real estate/scenery.
:'(

Now- airfields-  This is an era (1930s) when literally the air forces still used grass strips.  However,  proper runways were starting to appear.

Is there a card manufacturer who does a printed concrete ramp/runway/dispersal  in 1/600 (or close) ? I don't want or need the rich end Gemini or Schabak at £20 for an apron mat - just about 12" in total of simple WW2 X design (Note scale model scenery.com has a Trojan in downloads!)  :-q
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 13 July 2017, 08:18:22 AM
Hello

Is there a heritage WW2 airfield that you Google Earth and then print out?

Cheers

Vic/GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 July 2017, 08:34:50 AM
There is a model railway site which does textured prints (cant remember the URL - Sorry) In 1/600 paint should do it reasonably well though, certainly looks ok on our 1/300th scale airfields and roads.

Also - try Junior Generals site - there is allsorts on there.

IanS
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 14 July 2017, 06:08:08 AM
Thanks guys, I am inspired by a 1/700 diorama by David Aungst. Will dumb it down to WW2/1930s era.  Discovered lost of Pacific WW2 images.

On the subject of 1/600 aircraft.  What's the best/most economic source for stands in this scale ?
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 14 July 2017, 06:14:24 AM
Paper clips, mounting board and milliputt!
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 14 July 2017, 07:42:32 AM
Paper clips, cotton bud tubes, and pins in the aircraft to fit the tube. That way you don't need as many stand as you have aircraft......

Works up to F111 in 1/300th, but the B52 in that scale is just a tad heavy.
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 14 July 2017, 07:48:36 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 14 July 2017, 06:14:24 AM
Paper clips, mounting board and milliputt!

Ok, the cheap & cheerful bargain basement  :) Always a good place to start!  What's the next up?  Any deals in cheap plastic rod/bases ?

At the opposite (rich) end of the market I was looking at Dropzone "launch assets pack " at £20- I use their medium flight stands for 1/144 games.

The cotton bud tube & pin- now that get's a +1  :-bd
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 14 July 2017, 11:42:08 PM
Hello again

I once saw some very effective aircraft bases that were basically just squares of card/board with an aerial shot printed and glued on them with the wire then 'poked' through. I've attached one I downloaded from Google earth.

Cheers

Vic/GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: 3mm 1/600 smaller is bigger in terms of war scale
Post by: Sunray on 15 July 2017, 08:33:13 AM
Thanks Vic, but I think I will keep the  BKC mantra and avoid airwar - just throw dice for superiority, and play the ground attacks.

The ultimate in air superiority is a tank on the runway.  8)