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Title: TMP
Post by: SV52 on 03 July 2017, 07:30:49 PM
It would seem that TMP has changed its operating conditions, non-supporting members can no longer post to the boards.  That includes replying to your own previous posts.  No pay, no post. Search facility still available.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: mollinary on 03 July 2017, 07:42:02 PM
It is only while Bill is on Holiday for two weeks, then it should be back to normal.

Mollinary
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: fred. on 03 July 2017, 07:50:50 PM
That would only be normal by the rather strange standards of TMP
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 03 July 2017, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: fred. on 03 July 2017, 07:50:50 PM
That would only be normal by the rather strange standards of TMP

Oh for a like button. :D
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: FierceKitty on 04 July 2017, 12:16:05 AM
TMP exists to remind other wargames groups that a basic civility is useful.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Sandinista on 04 July 2017, 12:31:02 AM
TMP does seem to have a lot of people desperately seeking to be offended, especially by people for whom English is a second language.

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Norm on 04 July 2017, 04:17:39 PM
This post has the potential to become something that is contrary to the standard of posting here .... best left alone.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: SV52 on 04 July 2017, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: Norm on 04 July 2017, 04:17:39 PM
This post has the potential to become something that is contrary to the standard of posting here .... best left alone.

It was a news bulletin and the simple truth.  How others choose to comment upon it is beyond my control.  '... contrary to the standard of posting...'  bit strong old boy.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: KTravlos on 04 July 2017, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: SV52 on 04 July 2017, 07:47:58 PM
It was a news bulletin and the simple truth.  How others choose to comment upon it is beyond my control.  '... contrary to the standard of posting...'  bit strong old boy.

That is kind of Tango's attitude. Which is one of the reasons I left TMP for. Let us just not. Please.

With Respect
Konstantinos Travlos
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Leman on 05 July 2017, 07:01:09 AM
With you on that one KT. So much more fun when everyone is relaxed about the hobby.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 05 July 2017, 07:57:25 AM
What does "relaxed" mean ?
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Leman on 05 July 2017, 12:47:39 PM
You don't hate the Welsh just because they're Welsh. You hate individuals because they are unpleasant, and you then avoid their company. Right, I'm off now  ;)
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: d_Guy on 05 July 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Relaxed:
(https://paxsims.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hgwells.jpg)

Not Relaxed;
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PfCISuh0Rkw/mqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Wulf on 05 July 2017, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: Sandinista on 04 July 2017, 12:31:02 AM
TMP does seem to have a lot of people desperately seeking to be offended, especially by people for whom English is a second language.
I spend a good portion of my day reading & replying to email. There seem to be very few people in this country for whom English is a FIRST language, at least as far as email is concerned...
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 05 July 2017, 01:51:24 PM
andiqondi

나는 이해하지 못한다.

Je ne comprends pas

mwen pa konprann

Eu não entendo

Chan eil mi a' tuigsinn

En ymmärrä
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Sandinista on 06 July 2017, 12:24:54 AM
Just to clarify, I was meaning English speaking people seeking to be offended, often deliberately misinterpreting. Apologies if I gave the impression otherwise, a racist I am most certainly not.

Cheers
Ian

Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Dave Fielder on 09 July 2017, 03:30:27 AM
Nothing wrong with the occasional flame war on line, it's great to watch Bill start an argument and then get offended by himself ;-)
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: PraetorianJC on 09 July 2017, 03:03:26 PM
TMP isn't even good for selling items anymore. I used to post items there all the time and have them sold within a week. Not a bite on some good deals these past few weeks. Looks like I will have to hold off on buying Pendraken's new Korean War line.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Mako on 10 July 2017, 12:39:41 AM
I suspect the lack of responses to sales ads is due to many people that have left, others that have been locked out by Bill, and/or people that don't have supporting memberships, so can't post there right now.

Even Tango01 was not able to do that for a while, but somehow that got changed during Bill's absence, so he's posting again.  Before that, they were down to just a handful of postings a day, since Bill is gone, so not posting threads either.  Even most of the "NEWS" postings were/are halted.

A pity, but a lot of people have moved on, or are just "visiting", and no longer posting/replying to various threads.  It's been that way for quite some time.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: doctorphalanx on 16 July 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Thanks for the heads up on this. I just posted something to TMP and couldn't understand why it had all gone so quiet.

TMP has been my general go-to site for years. If it is in decline, where has everybody gone?
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: FierceKitty on 16 July 2017, 10:34:23 AM
Lead Adventure Forum seems very much better-humoured.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: fred. on 16 July 2017, 12:50:33 PM
I stopped visiting TMP a good few years ago, and don't miss it at all.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 16 July 2017, 10:34:23 AM
Lead Adventure Forum seems very much better-humoured.

+1, although at times threads can get rather lost in amongst the shear volume of traffic.

Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Womble67 on 17 July 2017, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Mako on 10 July 2017, 12:39:41 AM
I suspect the lack of responses to sales ads is due to many people that have left, others that have been locked out by Bill, and/or people that don't have supporting memberships, so can't post there right now.

Even Tango01 was not able to do that for a while, but somehow that got changed during Bill's absence, so he's posting again.  Before that, they were down to just a handful of postings a day, since Bill is gone, so not posting threads either.  Even most of the "NEWS" postings were/are halted.

A pity, but a lot of people have moved on, or are just "visiting", and no longer posting/replying to various threads.  It's been that way for quite some time.

Yes very strange indeed how Tango01 managed to gain access

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: doctorphalanx on 17 July 2017, 10:14:03 AM
Lead Adventure seems quite comprehensive. I did post there once some time ago.

I do, however, find the dark brown background difficult to read on a smartphone...
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: fred. on 17 July 2017, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: doctorphalanx on 17 July 2017, 10:14:03 AM

I do, however, find the dark brown background difficult to read on a smartphone...

Strange, its a kind of light khaki green for me.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: jimduncanuk on 17 July 2017, 07:48:09 PM
Quote from: Womble67 on 17 July 2017, 09:55:33 AM

Yes very strange indeed how Tango01 managed to gain access


I keep Tango stifled.

Life is so much simpler.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 July 2017, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 17 July 2017, 07:48:09 PM
I keep Tango stifled.

Life is so much simpler.


What, and miss out on all those posts beginning "For centuries, historians have believed that the third crusade was led by Ulysses S. Grant against Alexander the Great. In a startling new book, Professor Rehash of Pittsburgh Community College argues that it was in fact a European campaign against the Ayyubid Sultanate..."?
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: toxicpixie on 18 July 2017, 10:31:44 AM
The Wargames Website is good. Or there's a 10mm figures forum thata reputedly decent  ;)
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 July 2017, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 July 2017, 10:31:44 AM
The Wargames Website is good. Or there's a 10mm figures forum thata reputedly decent  ;)

Ta for the reference. :)
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: old smokie on 18 July 2017, 11:25:45 AM
TMP = The Morons Page

got fed up with it, relates little to wargaming in my opinion, too many flame wars etc
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Ithoriel on 18 July 2017, 11:55:30 AM
TWW is usually my second stop, after this forum, when I'm on the net getting my daily gaming fix.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: jimduncanuk on 18 July 2017, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 July 2017, 12:32:24 AM

What, and miss out on all those posts beginning "For centuries, historians have believed that the third crusade was led by Ulysses S. Grant against Alexander the Great. In a startling new book, Professor Rehash of Pittsburgh Community College argues that it was in fact a European campaign against the Ayyubid Sultanate..."?


Don't think I would miss that too much. We get enough of that from the BBC.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: KTravlos on 18 July 2017, 06:13:17 PM
Bill did do a great service to the war-gaming community via TMP. And judging by visits to my blog posts, my withdrawal has hurt my exposure. But I am so unhappy with his moderation policies and general support of his political prejudices, which are not my own, that I had to do the honorable thing and leave. I do hope it remains a vibrant community. But it is no more that that. Just one of many and with clear political prejudices that are to be indulged.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: doctorphalanx on 19 July 2017, 06:55:09 AM
Yes, green khaki rather than brown khaki! But definitely not as clear as this site in bright sunlight.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Chris Pringle on 19 July 2017, 07:25:33 AM
Quote from: old smokie on 18 July 2017, 11:25:45 AM
TMP = The Morons Page

That would be me then.  ;)

I still hang out on TMP. But I do agree that it does not seem to be as good a resource as it used to be.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: fred. on 19 July 2017, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: KTravlos on 18 July 2017, 06:13:17 PM
Bill did do a great service to the war-gaming community via TMP. And judging by visits to my blog posts, my withdrawal has hurt my exposure. But I am so unhappy with his moderation policies and general support of his political prejudices, which are not my own, that I had to do the honorable thing and leave. I do hope it remains a vibrant community. But it is no more that that. Just one of many and with clear political prejudices that are to be indulged.

I think the key bit in that sentence is 'did' - TMP used to be great (5-10 years ago) but more recently has become just too unpleasant to be worth spending time there.

It certainly used to generate a lot of traffic to my site when I posted links to pages.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Shecky on 19 July 2017, 11:42:54 PM
I think there are a number of forces beyond TMP's control which no longer make it the premier site for miniature gaming.
1. Access to social media - I realized that I get most of my hobby news from the manufacturer and publishers I follow on twitter or Facebook.  The companies can now control their message better and not have to rely on the TMP news schedule. By the time it's on TMP I've already heard about it from the company.
2. I've noticed that TMP is frequently no longer the top search result when I'm searching on the web.  For instance, I recently was looking for recommended Vallejo codes to paint my 10mm WWII figures.  The top results were from blog posts and not TMP.  Maybe it's just me but 5-10 years ago I think it would have been on TMP.
3. Kind of related to #2 but it's what I call "dispersal of information". Some people who would previously provide interesting content on TMP are now blogging thus depriving TMP of that content, and thus driving search results away from TMP.  Also, more manufacturers and publishers have successful fora. For instance, I spend more time here and on the TFL forum than on TMP because they are more geared to my interests.


The other thing I did last week was to create my own blog. However I don't really post on it, I just use it to track the blogs I follow (I just realized it includes all the bloggers who have posted so far on this page), links to reference material aw well as links to interesting gaming sites.  Adding links to blogs allows me to see in one place if there have been any recent updates.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: doctorphalanx on 20 July 2017, 08:02:21 AM
If I post to TMP with a link to something on my blog I still get a lot of traffic but I'm not seeing much response on TMP itself. This suggests to me that TMP is still being read but people are not posting to it as before.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: mollinary on 20 July 2017, 06:15:48 PM
Bill has finally returned from holiday, so plebs (non supporting members) can now post once again. I would expect activity to pick up again pretty quickly.

Mollinary
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: jimduncanuk on 20 July 2017, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: mollinary on 20 July 2017, 06:15:48 PM
Bill has finally returned from holiday, so plebs (non supporting members) can now post once again. I would expect activity to pick up again pretty quickly.

Mollinary

I replied to a post today.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: Raider4 on 22 July 2017, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 July 2017, 12:32:24 AM
What, and miss out on all those posts beginning "For centuries, historians have believed that the third crusade was led by Ulysses S. Grant against Alexander the Great. In a startling new book, Professor Rehash of Pittsburgh Community College argues that it was in fact a European campaign against the Ayyubid Sultanate..."?

Glad you like it my friend! (smile)
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: FierceKitty on 22 July 2017, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 22 July 2017, 12:33:48 PM
Glad you like it my friend! (smile)

Arrrgh!!!!!
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: d_Guy on 22 July 2017, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 22 July 2017, 12:33:48 PM
Glad you like it my friend! (smile)

;D ;D =O =O

Despite me laughing he often finds interesting stuff and useful links.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: fred. on 22 July 2017, 04:18:25 PM
Is Tango even a real person - of its it just a bot that Bill coded up? Or am I giving Bill too much credit for that.
Title: Re: TMP
Post by: jimduncanuk on 22 July 2017, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 22 July 2017, 02:06:58 PM
;D ;D =O =O

Despite me laughing he often finds interesting stuff and useful links.


Yes, but he often swamps out many other interesting posts by sheer volume most of which is of no interest to me (classing myself as an average wargamer).

I keep him stifled.