Lindybeige and The Mighty Jingles have made YouTube videos for The Tank Museum talking about their top 5 tanks.
Lindbeige has S-tank, Jagdpanther, WWI Mk IV, Universal Carrier, Churchill (5 to 1)
The Might Jingles offers Panther, T34, Chieftain, Centurion, TOG2 (5 to 1)
Now, I know we've done things like this before, but what are your 5 favourite armoured vehicles and why? Not which are the best, but which ones do you feel the most affection for? The reason I ask, is that it's bloomin' difficult. Here's mine - can you guess what will be no 1?
5 Daimler Dingo Scout Car Whizzy little vehicle.
4 FT17 First "proper" tank design (with a turret) and for longevity without apparent merit.
3 Panzer IV Overshadowed by the Panther and Tiger, the Pz IV is one of the few tanks that fought throughout the war (1939-45) and showed a great capacity for upgrade.
2 Churchill If only it had a wider turret ring, it could have been the British Tiger. A tank that did what it was supposed to do, and was the basis of so many Funnies.
1 Centurion :x First modern MBT (arguably) with a long history and ... it looks cool.
5: Vickers mkIV nice (and fast)little tank
4. Jagdpanther nice design
3:cromwell good medium vehicle
2: PzII luchs Just always liked the look of the 'lynx'
1: Churchill AVRE big boom!!!
Interesting choices.
the Lynx is in my top 10.
Quote from: petercooman on 03 June 2017, 09:29:12 AM
1: Churchill AVRE big boom!!!
;D ;D ;D
i) Crusader III - looks so graceful and elegant, has to be here.
ii) Tiger I - scares the hell out of anyone on the tabletop.
iii) (tie for third place) Grant/Lee, and the WWI British original - triumphs of ungainly design.
v) The Hussite battle waggon - would be in first place, but doesn't have tracks, so technically doesn't count.
I) KV2. It is just so incredibly ugly, breaking all the rules of design, that it becomes cool!
2) French WW1 St Chamond. Another design where you immediately think 'How did anyone ever come up with that!?
3) Matilda 1. I think there is a theme emerging here. Looks like it emerged from the factory before they had time to finish it. How it carries the same name as the lump that was Matilda 2 completely foxes me.
4) any of the Crusader marks. That angular turret is iconic.
5) A7V. An early variant of Dr Who's Mechanoids, decades ahead of its time, if it ever had a time! There had to be a reason why they built so few ;)
MollinaRy
1) fish
2) reptile
3) cold water
4) header
5) ⛽️ petrol ⛽️
Quote from: mollinary on 03 June 2017, 11:58:33 AM
I) KV2. It is just so incredibly ugly, breaking all the rules of design, that it becomes cool!
2) French WW1 St Chamond. Another design where you immediately think 'How did anyone ever come up with that!?
3) Matilda 1. I think there is a theme emerging here. Looks like it emerged from the factory before they had time to finish it. How it carries the same name as the lump that was Matilda 2 completely foxes me.
4) any of the Crusader marks. That angular turret is iconic.
5) A7V. An early variant of Dr Who's Mechanoids, decades ahead of its time, if it ever had a time! There had to be a reason why they built so few ;)
MollinaRy
I'll see your ugly 5 and raise you T35, Char B1, Neubaufahrzeuge, Bishop and M3 Lee/Grant!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 03 June 2017, 12:40:18 PM
1) fish
2) reptile
3) cold water
4) header
5) ⛽️ petrol ⛽️
You didn't quite get there, but thanks for playing. :D
Actual lay, I forgot my all time favourite tank:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_constructions_of_Sri_Lanka
We are asked for 5 favourite armoured vehicles. According to my dictionary a thing used for transporting people or goods, especially on land, such as a car, truck, or cart. so I might be forgiven for going for a Seleucid armoured elephant, followed by similar variations. Sticking more to the spirit of the question, I might be persuaded to include the Panther and Hetzer WWII types, cos I like the shapes.
Panther and Hetzer are pretty. :-[
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Slacking people, we van do better.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 03 June 2017, 04:30:38 PM
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Back at you, Dude. :D
Van!?
(https://img-new.cgtrader.com/items/714052/87c2f5c170/large/post-apocalyptic-van-uaz-3d-model-max-obj.jpg?w=400)
Right, I like small, light tanks:
1. Italian L3/35 - speedy little thing with fixed, twin MGs (useful in modern traffic jams).
2. Panzer I - similar to above (but nastier looking) and with the twin MGs turret mounted - a proof of concept vehicle (REALLY good in traffic jams)
3. Any of the Vickers-Armstrong light tanks but I'll go with the Mark II because it looks the most like a Martian fighting vehicle.
4. The US M1 (not the Abrams MBT) which looked much like the above but could apparently travel nearly 40 mikes without breaking down.
5. The British FV101 - post war but I like its class name.
While I posted the picture of the van before knowing of the attacks in London, it may now be seen by the casual viewer to be in very poor taste. No disrespect intended.
d_guy
Absolutely none taken.
We know so no worries.
Absolutely, Bill....No worries, Matey.
Cheers - Phil.
My top 5 in no particular oder are ......................
wait for it ............
1 Comet
2 Hetzer
3 Su 152
4 BT 7
5 Pz 4
In my misspent youth:
1. Jagdpanther (fell in love with photo from 50 Famous Tanks :-[ ...only really realised the nature of the beast much later!) ;)
2. SU85 (ditto but less)
3. S tank prototype (ditto)
4. Hetzer (Small, cheap and nasty!) :d
(and to show I have no SPAT fetish!)
5. Daimler Mk II (The armoured car that looks just right!) 8)
Will add Airfix Crusader...just wanted to keep on building them! They looked great...but you ran out of desert! (And Budgie cage sand paper made such a mess of the dining table!)
In descending order:
5) Matilda - Queen of the battlefield
4) Lee/Grant - Every boy's idea of what a tank should be, a stack of guns on top of tracks
3) Churchill - Tough and versatile but generally under gunned. The Crocodile was the personification of nastiness
4) Conqueror - The Centurion's big brother, last of the heavies
5) Mk IV - Where it all started to come together
If there was a 6 it would be the Panzer Mk IV - Long lived and the backbone of the panzer divisions for much of the war
Reviewing the responses, there's a surprising lack of certain iconic vehicles: nobody has picked the Sherman, T34 is missing, and only FK picked the Tiger - and he likes Aztecs!
Iconic? Maybe not :)
1) Ratte
2) Maus
3) Goliath
4) Tsar/ Nepotyr/ Lebedenko Tank
5) T-35
I think mine where iconic - wait maybe they where doric - well no matter...
You really need to get your eyes sorted,
Those were Corinthian!
Right again, Kitty - I missed the scroll work.
My top 5 are
WW1 Mk1 male or female - first idea and attempt idea for attacking and crossing the trenches :x
Centurion - all round good tank ;D
Sherman - first mass produced tank 8)
Leopard - because everybody wants one :-
Abrahams - because the Americans say it's the best :D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 June 2017, 03:20:27 PM
You really need to get your eyes sorted,
Those were Corinthian!
Oops - sorry - I really do need an eye check!!
Quote from: Dave on 08 June 2017, 06:16:11 PM
WW1 Mk1 male or female
Several just arrived from your establisment for HOTT War of the Worlds. I got some females, some males, and a hermaphrodite.
I know nothing about tanks - but as with new born kitties - how do I tell which is which or what is what?
Hi
5. Leopard 1 - Just like the look of it
4. T34 - probably the best all round tank tank of WWII
3. German Pz MKIV - Good all round work horse of the Wehrmacht
2. Churchill - I'm not sure why I just like it!
1. Chieftain -
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x444/Fulham-fan/AFV/T13A%20Canada%20August%201976.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/Fulham-fan/media/AFV/T13A%20Canada%20August%201976.jpg.html)
Go Figure!
Cheers Paul
Quote from: d_Guy on 08 June 2017, 06:51:45 PM
Several just arrived from your establisment for HOTT War of the Worlds. I got some females, some males, and a hermaphrodite.
I know nothing about tanks - but as with new born kitties - how do I tell which is which or what is what?
Males had 6pdr cannon in the main sponsons, females had Lewis MGs. hermaphrodites had a 6pdr on one side, and a Lewis on t'other.
Thanks. Probably I can look all this up but I get more concise information here.
Not trying to be a smartaxx, I get the hermaphrodite -one of each- but male and female seems to run counter to normally accepted practices in sexing complementary inanimate objects - electrical connections, plumping connection, nuts and bolts, etc. it seems like "man" tank and "boy" tank might work. Maybe I'm watching too many "Mr Monk" reruns with my wife.
Bear in mind the original British tanks were Mother and Little Willie.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 08 June 2017, 09:49:42 PM
Bear in mind the original British tanks were Mother and Little Willie.
Well no one said this couldn't be fun!
Have now been forced to do some reading - interesting - "Mother" became the male, "Little Willie" the female.
The male was bigger and heavier and the female smaller and lighter and considered the "consort" of the male.
They deployed in pairs (but were apparently closely chaperoned).
Also learned that the development was under the aegis of the "Landship Committee". Given the name I wonder why they didn't just go to rotating turrets first. Too many engineering problems to solve at once I suppose.
They are big - a male takes up half the frontage of one of my Musket & Pike regiments. Now need to figure out which end is the front (must study pictures).
For reasons surpassing all understanding I also just got three Pendraken T35's.
QuoteI think mine where iconic - wait maybe they where doric
QuoteThose were Corinthian
Are we talking about the Greek armoured columns that defeated the Persians at Marathon?
Quote from: d_Guy on 08 June 2017, 09:32:48 PMNot trying to be a smartaxx, I get the hermaphrodite -one of each- but male and female seems to run counter to normally accepted practices in sexing complementary inanimate objects
Big weapon sticking out = male.
Which, for WWI era ideas on morality, is actually rather unusual... I guess the military figures polite gentlefolks would never hear about it...
Quote from: DanJ on 09 June 2017, 08:46:12 AM
Are we talking about the Greek armoured columns that defeated the Persians at Marathon?
Thanks for introducing a second period I know nothing about. That said I think we are talking about one of the Peloponnesian Wars. Maybe.
Quote from: Wulf on 09 June 2017, 09:26:06 AM
Big weapon sticking out = male.
You have succinctly stated the essence of my confusion. This lead to:
Little weapon sticking out = female
Quote from: Wulf on 09 June 2017, 09:26:06 AM
Which, for WWI era ideas on morality, is actually rather unusual... I guess the military figures polite gentlefolks would never hear about it...
Good point! Although with music halls at their zenith the "under" culture probably not only got it but LOL'd about it. :D
Finally - if I may be permitted - I should like to present a new top five list based on Pendraken models actually now in my possession:
1. The Russian T35 - Not only because two of the crewmen were stationed outside but because it is highly reminiscent of one of my favorite dreadnaughts, the SMS Helgoland.
2. The British Mk V - male - it is much like the noseguard in American Football (weak in lateral movement but can stuff the middle run)
3. The British Mk IV - female - like a defensive back in in American Football (likely to get burned on the fly routes, however)
4. The British Mk V - hemaphodite - it is either like an inside or outside linebacker (more likely inside since I think it is probably weak in pass coverage)
5. The Pendraken SFH7 - vaguely like the Colonal Marine APC in "Aliens" (the best movie in the franchise)
Must run, Mrs. d_duy says it is "way past time" for Thorazinetm
QuoteBig weapon sticking out = male.
However, as I'm at pains to point out to my wife, size isn't everything; the British Mk male I was armed with 6ld naval guns, these were found to be too long and kept snagging on the ground or other obstacles. The gun was redesigned with a reduced length and lower velocity which was fitted to the Mk IV and subsequent male versions.
Quote from: Wulf on 09 June 2017, 09:26:06 AM
Which, for WWI era ideas on morality, is actually rather unusual... I guess the military figures polite gentlefolks would never hear about it...
They were probably all schooled in Classical Greek mythology and took it from there.
Quote from: d_Guy on 09 June 2017, 02:42:40 PM
2. The British Mk V - male - it is much like the noseguard in American Football (weak in lateral movement but can stuff the middle run)
3. The British Mk IV - female - like a defensive back in in American Football (likely to get burned on the fly routes, however)
4. The British Mk V - hemaphodite - it is either like an inside or outside linebacker (more likely inside since I think it is probably weak in pass coverage)
I don't know what anything beyond the 2nd hyphen means. I'm guessing it's sporty.
Quote from: d_Guy on 08 June 2017, 10:43:52 PM
Have now been forced to do some reading - interesting - "Mother" became the male, "Little Willie" the female.
Awfully sorry, but I think Little Willie was a test bed, looks more like a box on tracks. The only difference between males/females/herms was the armament. :P
Yes "sporty" but unbearably witty when familiar with defensive scouting reports issued for the following week's opponent :D
My bad - in my initial sorting of my new models I confused the Mark IV chassis for the Mark V female so I put too much weight on "Little".
I know slightly less about mechanized armor than you do about American football, you simply have the good sense not to reveal it! :)
To your point on classicist influence, likely they had rather bawdy performances of Lysistrata and The Judgement of Paris through out the music halls of England.
Someone tried to get me to watch the Superbowl in about 1980. I lost interest ... when they started all that stuff with the ball. To be fair, I have the same feeling watching any sport.
The officer class would have come largely from the public schools. There, they would have been taught classics. I used to have (until I let someone borrow it and it never returned) a copy of Sir Edward Creasey's 15 Decisive Battles of the World from about 1898. Quotes by Greeks were given in Greek (with no translation). Quotes in Latin were left in the original. Quotes in French were ... guess.
So why have you suddenly decided to get into land monsters? I suggest the Char 2C (Pendraken FRE11) as massive and useless.
Quote from: fsn on 09 June 2017, 10:40:03 PM
Someone tried to get me to watch the Superbowl in about 1980. I lost interest ... when they started all that stuff with the ball. To be fair, I have the same feeling watching any sport.
My wife is of similar opinion - she does like the Super Bowl commercials - a compendium of which she watches on You Tube the next day.
Quote from: fsn on 09 June 2017, 10:40:03 PM
The officer class would have come largely from the public schools. There, they would have been taught classics. I used to have (until I let someone borrow it and it never returned) a copy of Sir Edward Creasey's 15 Decisive Battles of the World from about 1898. Quotes by Greeks were given in Greek (with no translation). Quotes in Latin were left in the original. Quotes in French were ... guess.
If I had every book I have ever lent and lost I'd be a branch of the New York Public Library. I remain thankful for Google Translate and Babblefish. The sum total of my knowledge of Public School comes from "Tom Brown's School Days" with an assist from the "Flashman" series.
Quote from: fsn on 09 June 2017, 10:40:03 PM
So why have you suddenly decided to get into land monsters? I suggest the Char 2C (Pendraken FRE11) as massive and useless.
On a War of the Worlds kick - more correctly the universe described in "All Quiet on the Martian Front" and the supporting novels by Scott Washburn. Want to do it in 10mm (for I have become a true believer). Hope to make steam tanks out of this stuff. The Char 2C is excellent and may find its way into the story I'm doing. Thanks!
"massive and useless" :) describes a cat that decided to move in with us and then stayed for many years (without so much as a single rent check),
Ooooh! Post pictures of your work, please!
Sounds fun!
Though I do not need a new project.
No danger I WON'T post pictures. :D
But having now discovered Tangier I'm hot to trot!
We is a fickle bunch we is!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harissa For both the hots, and the trots! ;)
Quote from: d_Guy on 10 June 2017, 01:29:23 PM
But having now discovered Tangier I'm hot to trot!
We is a fickle bunch we is!
Ah! Another butterfly. :D
Trying to get this thread back on the tracks .... but can't make my mind up to say what my favourites are!
So, focusing on "Modern' vehicles only (a WW2 version may follow) ..
1. Whilst I like the Chali, I think my fav tank is the Leopard 2 A7 - reasons? Good performing and well protected tank, looks good, homogenous 120mm smooth bore gun, ammo & spare parts NATO wise, cleverly thought out fast engine change.
2. Rheinmetall Boxer MRAV. Whilst not having the same cross-country performance as tracked AFVs, 8x8s are generally cheaper to acquire, run and maintain - which given the ever spiralling costs of modern arms allows over stretched defence budgets to get more for their money. Boxer looks mean, is probably the best protected 8x8 AFV and has an element of modularity that gives greater flexibility for accommodating new roles and weapon systems in future.
3. BAE Systems Archer 155mm artillery system. A wheeled, armoured self-propelled 155mm gun with automatic loader and good cross-country performance currently in service with the Swedish Army. Great for shooting and skooting.
4. Patria Hagglund 8x8 AFV fitted with NEMO. Another capable and cool looking 8x8 AFV (Both this and Boxer are currently in competition to see which will equip the Australian Army). NEMO is a one-barrel automated 120mm mortar system (there is a a twin barrel system called AMOS but for me, NEMO looks the most 'cool' of the two). Again, great for shooting and shooting.
5. Foxhound light protected patrol vehicle. An agile and versatile vehicle with good protection against improvised explosive devices thanks to its v-shaped hull.
Quote from: d_Guy on 03 June 2017, 05:38:48 PM
Van!?
(https://img-new.cgtrader.com/items/714052/87c2f5c170/large/post-apocalyptic-van-uaz-3d-model-max-obj.jpg?w=400)
I go away for a few months, and this is what happens. Oh dear, oh dear....
When I was a student I had a purple tank top - it was the 70s.
Quote from: Leman on 24 June 2017, 10:45:39 AM
When I was a student I had a purple tank top - it was the 70s.
Doesn't count unless it was covered with yellow flower prints and worn with yellow and green stripped bell bottom trousers
(like what I had in the 60's)
Welcome back Kitty, named a Baroque status marker after you.
Most flattered. :)
1)pz IV
2)centurion
3)leopard l
4)T34
5)sherman
Gone for tanks that were noted for their adaptability.
Jim
Quote from: d_Guy on 24 June 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Doesn't count unless it was covered with yellow flower prints and worn with yellow and green stripped bell bottom trousers
(like what I had in the 60's)
Welcome back Kitty, named a Baroque status marker after you.
But that was the 60s - my god you must be ancient! Then again, in US parlance that usually equates to the C19th.
Quote from: Leman on 24 June 2017, 03:39:07 PM
But that was the 60s - my god you must be ancient! Then again, in US parlance that usually equates to the C19th.
;D With the ever decreasing attention span the Vietnam War is Ancient history (and the Gulf War Early Modern). The ACW is equivalent now, I think, to something out of Homer. So yes ancient is correct on all counts - just turned Seventy. <:-P
Congratulations =D> =D> =D> I hit the big 65 much later this year - start of National Pension.
Same from me, Bill....Got another few months (more than a few really) before I get to state Pension age.
Cheers - Phil
Is that the sixteenth or seventeenth time round Phil?
Quote from: d_Guy on 25 June 2017, 12:42:33 AM
- just turned Seventy. <:-P
Belated birthday greetings, Bill. :O)
Quote from: d_Guy on 24 June 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Welcome back Kitty, named a Baroque status marker after you.
Is that the one you re-cycled from the cat litter tray? :P
They Bl**dy moved my Pension Age, I don't get mine till I am 67
Lucky you, 68...
I'm not a big 'treadhead' but I do like to see these:-
Scorpion - as I grew up looking at them driving around Catterick Garrison
Challenger 1 - because they used to drive past my house before the MOD were told to stop, as they were ripping the road surface to shreds!
Other than that. Pass.
Just like all cars look the same since the Ford Sierra, so all tanks look basically the same since the T-34 showed how to get the right balance of firepower-protection-mobility. Personally I prefer tanks that are ugly and angular and full of character, from before people knew how to build the things properly. The acme of that has to be:
#1 Panzer IIIN. Check out the stubby little gun and cumbersome Schuerzen. She's gorgeous.
And along similar lines:
#2 Toldi IIA. Skirt armour again. Also she tickles my magyarophilia and my love of the obscure. Sadly the only ones left are at Kubinka, but imagine my joy at finding examples of her close cousin the Landsverk L-60 both at Bovington (ex-Dominican Republic) and at Collins Barracks in Dublin (Irish army).
#3 LT vz. 38 (Lehký tank vzor 38), better known as Panzer 38(t). I'm a sucker for anything eastern European. Pz38(t) comes with the bonus of a huge multitude of variants, some sleek and lethal like the Hetzer, but most looking like the ungainly bodge jobs they were.
#4 Churchill Crocodile. Slow, clumsy and brutal. 'Nuff said.
#5 T-35. I had to put a multi-turreted one in the list somewhere, and this is the biggest and best aka worst example of a wonderfully bad idea.
It's really hard to pick five from so many, and on any given day I might name some other triumph of misguided tank design. But these give you an idea of my personal predilections.
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
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Absolutely, Mr Pringle, that's the spirit! "Ugly and angular and full of character." I applaud that sentiment.