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Title: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: slinky on 09 May 2017, 03:21:11 PM
Not something I normally do so was wondering what people use to temporarily stick figures in place whilst painting?
Starting a Dux Bellorum project soon and was going for the sheildwall effect.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: jimduncanuk on 09 May 2017, 03:24:59 PM
BlueTac
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Aksu on 09 May 2017, 03:25:11 PM
Hotglue, not too much though.
Aksu
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: d_Guy on 09 May 2017, 03:27:30 PM
I use a ~1:1 mix of water and Elmer's white glue. It works well and the figures detach fairly easily without bringing stick splinters with them.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Ithoriel on 09 May 2017, 03:29:04 PM
Copydex (aka cow gum) - solid bond but easy to peel off once painted.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 May 2017, 04:05:21 PM
Pva or superglue. Then scapel to remove.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: slinky on 09 May 2017, 04:05:53 PM
Is Elmers a pva glue?
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: petercooman on 09 May 2017, 04:18:43 PM
Very small drip of loctite. Just cut under the base to remove.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Dr Dave on 09 May 2017, 04:21:12 PM
COPYDEX - for heavens sake, just use copydex. Once painted and dry just twist them off. Simple

DON'T use PVA - I broke a steak knife getting them off the PVA!
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 May 2017, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Dr Dave on 09 May 2017, 04:21:12 PM
COPYDEX - for heavens sake, just use copydex. Once painted and dry just twist them off. Simple

DON'T use PVA - I broke a steak knife getting them off the PVA!
Soak in warm water for 1/2 an hour!
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: fred. on 09 May 2017, 04:26:07 PM
I use double sided tape
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: sunjester on 09 May 2017, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 09 May 2017, 04:22:47 PM
Soak in warm water for 1/2 an hour!

Or use Copydex and not have to wait 1/2 hour first!  ;D
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: d_Guy on 09 May 2017, 05:16:33 PM
Elmers is a PVA. The key for sticking figures is the water dilution. As Dr. Dave said, undiluted, it is hard to release BUT a water soak (as Lemmy suggest probably works too).  BTW, I brush diluted Elmer's on stands and the sprinkle on flock. It drys clear and holds well - I usually don't both with a fixative spray.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: mollinary on 09 May 2017, 05:28:02 PM
Blue tac
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 May 2017, 05:57:51 PM
Can I just check something guys, glue aside...
Do you eat the lolly first?
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Ithoriel on 09 May 2017, 06:12:09 PM
I use tongue depressors - as sold by Minibits - and no, I don't say, "Ah!" before using them ... though I do sometimes say,"Aaaagh!" when I peel a figure off the stick and drop said figure on the floor!
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: mollinary on 09 May 2017, 06:19:35 PM
I too use Minibits tongue depressors. I find lolly sticks unnecessarily wide for painting small scale (ie perfectly normal scale!) figures.  :D

Mollinary
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: slugbalancer on 09 May 2017, 06:44:58 PM
A small amout of PVA works for me.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: fsn on 09 May 2017, 07:06:05 PM
Has anyone tried Copydex? Think that might work.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: mollinary on 09 May 2017, 07:43:50 PM
I could never, ever, EVER, use Copydex. I still remember the smell of the stuff from primary school, which is so long ago that it is a tribute to the awfulness of this product that it still sends shivers down my spine!  If you ever wanted to know what glue was made of, smell Copydex and instantly all the awful ingredients will swim before your eyes!

Mollinary
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Subedai on 09 May 2017, 07:44:37 PM
I used to use lolly sticks but found them too fiddly to hold by the edge while painting. Now I use 24cm (nearly 9.5") long bamboo plant labels from Wilko:

http://www.wilko.com/seed-trays/wilko-plant-labels-bamboo-24cm-10pk/invt/0298565

Pack of 10 cost £1.75 and you can get about 12-15 figures on each. Strip of double sided tape down the middle and you are off and of course they are re-usable.

MickS
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Womble67 on 09 May 2017, 11:25:37 PM
I use double sided tape

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: sunjester on 10 May 2017, 07:15:01 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 09 May 2017, 05:57:51 PM
Can I just check something guys, glue aside...
Do you eat the lolly first?

And some people question the standard of education in this country today....... :d
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Jim Ando on 10 May 2017, 07:15:52 AM
Pva.  Then if your the  sensitive sort who doesn't like slicing them off the Lolly stick, leave them in a small amount of water and they come off next day no problem.
Jim
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Albie Bach on 10 May 2017, 08:50:31 AM
I just use some Vallejo primer paint. (Obviously not a spray can  :D )
As some others have said, please don't use pva. I injured my hand quite badly trying to remove a model stuck with pva.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Dr Dave on 10 May 2017, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: fsn on 09 May 2017, 07:06:05 PM
Has anyone tried Copydex? Think that might work.

Copydex all the way - despite the smell. Just glue them on and once painted twist them off - no need for tools. The residue is a bit "gummy" so you might need to rub or peel it off the base. It will come off the stick to so you can reuse it no problems.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: SV52 on 10 May 2017, 11:26:51 AM
PVA sparingly, if the base of the figures is smooth no worries, if rough or pitted oh dear.  Very noticeable in bigger scales with plastic and metal figures.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Orcs on 10 May 2017, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 09 May 2017, 05:57:51 PM
Can I just check something guys, glue aside...
Do you eat the lolly first?
Quote from: sunjester on 10 May 2017, 07:15:01 AM
And some people question the standard of education in this country today....... :d

And that's from the Teacher.

I use a hot glue gun and for 10mm coffee stirrers that are free from many establishments  :).  If you have small children encourage them to take some - you will soon have loads . You need to glue a cross piece to stop them falling over though - the coffee stirrers with figures on not the small children

Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Norm on 10 May 2017, 03:50:48 PM
Copydex, Copydex, Copydex - it is so good they should rename it 'temporary figure sticking glue'.

failing that, just use Copydex!

Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Ithoriel on 10 May 2017, 03:54:48 PM
Well, you say that Norm but actually ... I prefer to use Copydex ;)
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: fsn on 10 May 2017, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 10 May 2017, 12:32:29 PM
I use a hot glue gun and for 10mm coffee stirrers that are free from many establishments  :).  If you have small children encourage them to take some - you will soon have loads . You need to glue a cross piece to stop them falling over though - the coffee stirrers with figures on not the small children

Ooops! Only just read that last bit. Little Timmy was right.

Maybe if I paint the coffee stirrers silver, Timmy can pretend he's Wolverine.

By the way. Whatever happened to Originaldex? Much better than the copy.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Techno on 10 May 2017, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: fsn on 10 May 2017, 04:17:10 PM
By the way. Whatever happened to Originaldex? Much better than the copy.

Give me strength !  X_X X_X

You OIK, Nobby.

Cheers - Phil.  ;)

Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 10 May 2017, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: fsn on 10 May 2017, 04:17:10 PM
Timmy can pretend he's Wolverine.
https://youtu.be/5AL4u-SgItg
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Orcs on 10 May 2017, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: fsn on 10 May 2017, 04:17:10 PM

By the way. Whatever happened to Originaldex? Much better than the copy.

Copydex is latex glue - I thought you were familiar with Latex in all its forms from your "other hobbies" ;)
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: DFlynSqrl on 10 May 2017, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 10 May 2017, 05:21:52 PM
Copydex is latex glue - I thought you were familiar with Latex in all its forms from your "other hobbies" ;)

Ah...uh... X_X
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: Leman on 10 May 2017, 07:29:27 PM
COPYDEX - I've been using this for years. Best done in the evening, the next day ready for painting. when complete just peel off, rub Copydex with finger and it comes away from whichever surface as a little rolled up ball which you then flick in the bin, No scalpel or chisel needed. Secondly, I don't use lolly sticks; I use lengths of thin dowel and a block of wood with 24 holes drilled in it slightly bigger than the dowel. This enables me to turn individual figures, including upside down, to get at all the surfaces. I posted a picture of this only a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: fsn on 11 May 2017, 06:52:35 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 10 May 2017, 05:21:52 PM
Copydex is latex glue - I thought you were familiar with Latex in all its forms from your "other hobbies" ;)

To me "latex" is a phrase I hope to be using at the next funeral I attend.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: DHautpol on 11 May 2017, 05:06:45 PM
I have several dozen old Humbrol tins and attach the figures, one to a tin, with Bluetac.

I find the tins much more comfortable to hold than lolly sticks; I suppose plastic bottle tops would work just as well.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: urbancohort on 12 May 2017, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 09 May 2017, 04:05:21 PM
Pva or superglue. Then scapel to remove.

Me also! Works fine and has done for years.
Title: Re: Glueing to lolly sticks
Post by: grahambeyrout on 13 May 2017, 02:36:55 PM
Bluetack copies from the Poundshop or similar. It is not as good as bluetack, but can be safely used and reused several times. Do not use over open drains etc.