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Title: ECW Parliament
Post by: Zippee on 08 May 2017, 12:44:12 PM
it's taken a long time to get this photographed but finally pictures of my Baroque ECW project

I'll post a couple of tasters but the majority are at the links below

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4157/33708865503_24c5bb439a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TmJKjg)EPM 02 - Sir John Merrick's Foot - 00 (https://flic.kr/p/TmJKjg) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4168/34477962266_1c4937f1e4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UwGyZh)EPM 04 - Earl of Manchester's Foot - 01 (https://flic.kr/p/UwGyZh) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4176/34358463332_123978f2d5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Um977Q)WB01 - Church Militia - 00 (https://flic.kr/p/Um977Q) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4185/33708903733_149c67c52c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TmJWFp)REM01 - Sir John Meldrum's Horse - 00 (https://flic.kr/p/TmJWFp) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4180/34478034846_9026818166_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UwGWyE)RE05 - Francis Fienne's Horse - 00 (https://flic.kr/p/UwGWyE) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4176/34389154571_3d6b2c87c7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UoRpy8)ART 02 - Medium Cannon - 00 (https://flic.kr/p/UoRpy8) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4192/33676852954_b12b511011_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TiUF6L)BAG 00 - Baggage Camp (https://flic.kr/p/TiUF6L) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr


More here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/albums/with/72157680805926932
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 May 2017, 12:45:04 PM
Simply splendid
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: DFlynSqrl on 08 May 2017, 12:52:14 PM
Those are very nice!
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Techno on 08 May 2017, 12:53:23 PM
Excellent !!  :-bd

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Leman on 08 May 2017, 12:55:39 PM
He's at it again! =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: sunjester on 08 May 2017, 01:44:43 PM
These look really good!  ;)
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 08 May 2017, 02:01:42 PM
These are also great as well!
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Malbork on 08 May 2017, 02:40:51 PM
Excellent work :)

Almost ashamed to look at my own Parliamentarians now :(
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: d_Guy on 08 May 2017, 02:52:19 PM
I like them, Zippee. Very effectively based and painted. The Church Militia and Camp are particularly well conceived and executed. I had woundered what you have been up to recently, welcome back :)
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: d_Guy on 08 May 2017, 03:11:10 PM
Enjoyed going through your albums. Massive amount of work done to a uniform high standard. Notice that you use figures and basing standardized to Baroque type. Particularly noticeable with the Trotter/Galloper types. Care to share your basing schemes?
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Zippee on 08 May 2017, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 08 May 2017, 03:11:10 PM
Enjoyed going through your albums. Massive amount of work done to a uniform high standard. Notice that you use figures and basing standardized to Baroque type. Particularly noticeable with the Trotter/Galloper types. Care to share your basing schemes?

Thanks for the kind words gents (and others)

d_Guy - Basing scheme I think we talked about at the start of this project

GA - 120x40mm base, 1 cmd, 10 gallopers in a low V shape - SP are the same
TR - 120x40mm base, 1cmd, 12 trotters in a single long line
RE - 120x40mm base, 1 cmd, 15 reiters in 2 short lines
REM - 120x80mm base, 1 cmd, 33 reiters in 4 short lines
CL - 120x40mm base, 8 light horse sprinkled around

PIKE - 120x120mm base, 2 cmd, 12 halberd, 116 pike, 10 swords
standards and drums in the centre surrounded by halberds and then by a 11x12 square of pikes with a front rank of swords with 2 officers

EARLY TERCIO - 120x120mm base, 1 cmd, 46 pike, 48 shot
central 8x6 block of pike with cmd front and centre - on each corner a 4x3 wing of shot

LATE TERCIO - 120x80mm base, 1 cmd, 46 pike, 24 shot
central 8x6 block of pike with cmd front and centre - on each flank a 4x3 wing of shot

EARLY PIKE & MUSKET (EPM) - 120x40mm base, 1 cmd, 14 pike, 24 shot
central 4x4 block of pike with cmd front and centre - on each flank a 6x2 sleeve of shot

LATE PIKE & MUSKET (LPM) - 120x40mm base, 1cmd, 4 pike, 28 shot
central 2x2 block of pike with cmd front and centre, on each flank a 7x2 sleeve of shot

SHOOTERS (T) - 120x40mm base, 1 cmd, 30 shot
2 ranks of shot with command front and centre

WARBAND (WB) - 120x40mm base, 1cmd, 46 warriors
3 rough ranks of warriors in a cluster/mob with cmd front and centre

SKIRMISSHERS (SK) - 120x40mm base,15 skirmishers
2 ranks of shot, spread out

DRAGOONS (DR) - 120x40mm base, 24 dragoons
2 ranks of dragoons - this is probably the biggest abstraction, Baroque doesn't utilise the mounted aspect of dragoons, so they are only represented on foot. They haven't got commands purely because that distinguishes them from T units which otherwise start to look very similar.

*cmd = a command element of 1 officer, 1 musician and 1 standard bearer

Hope that makes sense - the REM units are particularly imposing (and effective) on the table :)

Am taking a break from 10mm for a while and doing a bunch of 28mm RPG figures whilst I prevaricate on starting on the 15mm Hellenistic horde that was the FIB kickstarter, a mere 22 elephants alone! Once I'm done with that lot I'll return to 10mm either with the Napoleonic Bavarians (assuming no Wurttemburgers, Hessians or Saxons will be available even then) or some eastern style Baroque armies: Polish-Lithuanian and Ottoman or maybe early TYW, I'm undecided.

Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: d_Guy on 08 May 2017, 04:57:59 PM
Now in my 7th decade so memory degrading.  :)
Yes - I think at the time I was doing a large amount of freelancing with Baroque and was arguing about really different basing. I have since standardized on a 120mm front (well 5" but close enough) and using Baroque pretty much as written. Thanks for presenting the entire scheme - have placed in my notes.  :-bd

Incidently, have now also linked your folder to my blog as an example of well put together Baroque armies.
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: barbarian on 08 May 2017, 05:27:47 PM
I think these could be even better with a coat of matte varnish.
Or maybe on everything but armour, but that would be a bit tedious.

Great work.
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Zippee on 08 May 2017, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: barbarian on 08 May 2017, 05:27:47 PM
I think these could be even better with a coat of matte varnish.
Or maybe on everything but armour, but that would be a bit tedious.

Great work.

Yes they are due a spray - just waiting on more supplies and better weather
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: fred. on 08 May 2017, 07:23:57 PM
They are very spiffy, indeed!!

Really show of the advantage of big bases.

Looking forward to seeing them in a game.
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Zippee on 08 May 2017, 07:41:35 PM
Quote from: fred. on 08 May 2017, 07:23:57 PM
They are very spiffy, indeed!!

Really show of the advantage of big bases.

Looking forward to seeing them in a game.

Ta,

your wish, etc,
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5479/31198325085_6ab370f18a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PwTz7D)Parliament Centre & Right Flank (https://flic.kr/p/PwTz7D) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5541/31162531476_3f85811a39.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PtJ7Vs)Parliament Left Flank (https://flic.kr/p/PtJ7Vs) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

Not the best due to iffy lighting
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: mollinary on 08 May 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Beautiful and plentiful, quite a combination! I notice you have painted all your monmouth caps to match the uniform colour. It is the
firstt time I have seen this - do you have any sources for this? In my innocence I had always assumed these simple, woollen, caps, would have largely been unbleached, and a sort of grey/beige colour?

Mollinary
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: paulr on 08 May 2017, 07:51:45 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd

Very very impressive

I now know the basing scheme to use if Pierre the Shy and I actually get our ECW project underway
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Zippee on 08 May 2017, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: mollinary on 08 May 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Beautiful and plentiful, quite a combination! I notice you have painted all your monmouth caps to match the uniform colour. It is the
firstt time I have seen this - do you have any sources for this? In my innocence I had always assumed these simple, woollen, caps, would have largely been unbleached, and a sort of grey/beige colour?

Mollinary

No not really, I deliberately wanted to emphasis the 'issued' nature of clothing, so kept to a strict uniform tone. I think far too often we see really rag-tag impressions of civil war uniforms. Whilst I think battalia would often be polyglot in that they'd be composed of several separately raised and equipped companies, I also think that the usual (after the first muster) would be for very uniform and generic cloth issue to produce a semblance of uniformity - particularly at a distance. Unless I'm mistaken this seems to be the modern impression been given by re-enactors of the period. I did survey a bunch of websites before starting, to get a flavour and understand the way clothing worked. For instance monotone jacket and breeches, seems almost universal and white / unbleached for hose very common.

Additionally I wanted to draw them spiritually closer to the second half of the century - people seem to have little issue with general uniformity post civil war. Hence the uniform black hats and white hose and buff belts, thematically that ties them in towards the later WSS uniforms. I wanted the 'look' to say "hey, we're trying to be modern here".

I also (as I usually do these days) kept to a limited palette across both armies - so all bread bags and belts are the same buff, all uniforms are one of the same 6 colours (with grey equalling the rest combined), all hats, hose, shoes, boots, armour are the same, all uniforms have white collars and cuffs, the sashes are uniform tawny or scarlet (yes I know Parliament should be varied but the single colour ties them together), all charges either terracotta or blue (not sure why blue, I've seen them painted that way and it stands out nicely which is good enough for me :)

But mostly I just wanted to emphasise the colour distinctions between otherwise identical blocks of troops - so from the other side of the table, you can point and say "the blue unit" whilst at the same time making them all look cohesive on the table.
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Womble67 on 08 May 2017, 10:08:05 PM
Very nice indeed

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: paulr on 09 May 2017, 12:19:06 AM
Interesting to understand your thought processes, you have definitely meet your objectives :)
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: toxicpixie on 09 May 2017, 07:24:40 AM
Those are some BIG units. To the extent that I think you need to brace the table, one 10mm figure doesn't weigh much but those Reiters or especially the Tercios must make it creak alarmingly!

Stunning stuff :)
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: pierre the shy on 09 May 2017, 07:39:33 AM
Quote from: paulr on 08 May 2017, 07:51:45 PM
I now know the basing scheme to use if Pierre the Shy and I actually get our ECW project underway

After seeing Zippee's amazing work you surely mean when rather than if  ;)


 
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Jesus on 09 May 2017, 09:09:29 AM
They look great on you, but I think the finish is a bit shiny for my taste. Maybe a matt varnish would have been better. The flags are fantastic and the bases too.

Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: wurrukatte on 09 May 2017, 09:23:48 AM
Excellent stuff

W
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Zippee on 09 May 2017, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: Jesus on 09 May 2017, 09:09:29 AM
They look great on you, but I think the finish is a bit shiny for my taste. Maybe a matt varnish would have been better. The flags are fantastic and the bases too.



Hi and thanks,

yes they are due a matt spray - just need the supplies and weather to do so. Spraying that volume in my games room makes the weekly game sessions rather daunting unless I can leave the doors open to vent it :)
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: DHautpol on 09 May 2017, 03:35:02 PM
Really very nice.  Like some of the others I particularly liked the bases.
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Jasper on 09 May 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Really nice looking figures :)
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Roy on 25 July 2017, 10:05:20 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>

Wow! I like these, a lot. Very impressive.
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: sunjester on 26 July 2017, 06:10:08 AM
These look superb, well done sir. =D>
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Redstef on 26 July 2017, 06:53:17 AM
Great stuff.  Shows exactly why I love 10mm. Big enough for a cracking paint job and small enough for mass effect.
Unfortunately this post has come a couple of months too late for me to convince my friends and we are using 15mm for ECW .
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Techno on 26 July 2017, 07:50:34 AM
Damn fine work on those !!

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: ECW Parliament
Post by: Tarty on 28 July 2017, 04:11:11 AM
Yep wonderful collection....inspiring !