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Wider Wargaming => Painting & Modelling => Topic started by: FierceKitty on 18 April 2017, 06:18:51 AM

Title: Bright over black
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 April 2017, 06:18:51 AM
I find it really difficult to get good, bright effects in details over a black undercoat. Right now I want red edges to the main black structure in my Qin chariots, but it looks as if I'll have to paint the lighter bits four times at least. Am I missing an important skill in my brushmanship?
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: petercooman on 18 April 2017, 06:20:19 AM
Paint them over in white first.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Leman on 18 April 2017, 06:20:32 AM
I mostly use white undercoat. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Matt J on 18 April 2017, 08:01:08 AM
yep, white undercoat, but as you've already undercoated in black paint the bits you want red brown first.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Norm on 18 April 2017, 08:51:28 AM
Most of my stuff is primed black and then dry brushed in white or light grey, often I need a second coat of dry brushing.  I suppose using a high pigment white foundation paint would be the best to use.

I recently primed confederates in grey and then washed them generously with dark tone. And then just did everything as highlights.

I also recently primed in white, washed with dark tone and afterwards wished I had primed in black - but the subjects did have chain mail armour and black is better for that anyway,
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 April 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Chain mail being...?
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Leman on 18 April 2017, 01:44:20 PM
That chain stuff, as opposed to plate mail.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: d_Guy on 18 April 2017, 02:20:33 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 April 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Chain mail being...?
That letter you get from a "friend" who wants you to copy it and then send to ten of your other "friends"
Horrible things are suppose to happen if you don't do this.

I first overpaint the sections I want bright in white.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Subedai on 18 April 2017, 02:37:19 PM
I have gone back to a black undercoat after a few failed experiments with others. I don't have a problem with red on black or maybe I just have a decent red but if I do I either use a darker red or brown for a base then paint the proper colour on the top. At least using brown you can get away with saying it is shading, white showing through is a bit more difficult to explain.

MickS
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Norm on 18 April 2017, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 April 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Chain mail being...?

What!

probably my fault for making a contribution to your thread.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Luddite on 18 April 2017, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 April 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Chain mail being...?

The widely accepted and correct neologism for "maille", first coined in 1822 by Sir Walter Scott.

To help with your confusion, it is this stuff:

(http://windlass.com/wp-content/themes/windlass/product-imagery/helmets-and-armor/chain-mail-shirt/chain-mail-shirt-1.jpg)

;)

Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 18 April 2017, 06:14:24 PM
Chain Male, an interesting 90s techno band!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z9GpFhgCrI8
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Ithoriel on 18 April 2017, 06:28:39 PM
Chain mail, mail that is not Banded Mail, Plate Mail, Splinted Mail, Ring Mail, etc. Really FK, we have covered this before. You there, yes you boy, pay attention in class ;)
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 18 April 2017, 07:01:04 PM
Chain mail, junk mail, email...
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Subedai on 18 April 2017, 07:53:02 PM
My favourite type is femail. :)


MickS
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Ithoriel on 18 April 2017, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: Subedai on 18 April 2017, 07:53:02 PM
My favourite type is femail. :)


MickS

Is that the one that's basically two saucepan lids and a chainmail bikini bottom?
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Leman on 19 April 2017, 06:29:54 AM
Sounds a tad uncomfy.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: fsn on 19 April 2017, 06:33:32 AM
Yes, well any kind of white metal armour goes best over a black undercoat, I find.

Not so sure about bronze armour.  :-


Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Leman on 19 April 2017, 08:26:45 AM
Probably a green undercoat  :D.
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Orcs on 20 April 2017, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: Subedai on 18 April 2017, 07:53:02 PM
My favourite type is femail. :)


MickS

Mine too , but they can be Bl**dy expensive to keep and even more expensive to get rid of !!!!
Title: Re: Bright over black
Post by: Wulf on 21 April 2017, 02:21:05 PM
I now use a white primer, but then apply a black wash. Bright highlights, dark shadows. Best of both worlds...