Hello!
Has anyone tried the Little Big Men hoplite shields on Pendraken or Newline hoplites? The transfers look so great, but I am not sure if they will fit. I reached out to LBM to see if they can make custom sheets (like a whole sheet of the Alexander head would be great!). Also, has anyone tried to see if the republican roman transfers that LBM has in 10mm designed for Magister figures would fit on Pendraken Polybian Romans? I really wish I could find good transfers for the Carthaginians/Numidians at this scale. Thanks!
Matt
Welcome to the forum Matt!
Knowledgeable people will be along shortly. Not my area but some limited work I've done with ancients suggest that the MM are slightly bigger then Pendraken (but not as extreme as 12/10mm difference).
Welcome from me too, Matt.
Cheers - Phil
Oh no! I ordered half my armies from Pendraken and half from Magister....I was hoping to mix units to add to variety. Did I misstep? I also ordered a smaller chunk of Newline but I have read in these forums that the fit between Newline and Pendraken is more seamless. I guess I'll live and learn.
I have very very old Peninsular French from Pendraken that are waaaay taller than the current Pendraken French. Is the difference that extreme?
Thanks for the info, with such small figures it's really hard to figure this stuff out by looking at pictures online and I've spent the rest of my gaming life at 28mm or 32mm.
Matt
I think you are probably OK - I am using a bunch of both for the Trojan War (proxying several things from Pendraken).
Here is a quick and dirty comparison photo (grabbing the first figure bags I came to):
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/pen-vv-mm.jpg?w=600)
Pendraken ARR (Republican Rome) on left - MM MAM13 (Myrmidons) on Right.
You need to subtract about 4mm (from ruler) to allow for figure base and paint stick.
I drew a line from the Pendraken eyeline to the MM.
Not hugely different IMHO.
I plan to intermix mine but worse case you could add a small shim to Pendraken and once based and flock the difference will be likely unnoticeable.
Hope this makes you more comfortable - sorry if I alarmed you :)
I actually ordered both of those sets!
I look at those two and see them as pretty darn similar. Thanks for the help.
Matt
My experience is that MM tend to be about the same height as Pendraken, but a bit chunkier. But different ranges from a manufacturer often vary, so there is often no general rule of of thumb. The photo abvoe suggests that for these ranges MM and PD are very similar.
Hello and welcome
I've mixed Pendraken, MM and Newline in my Zulu War armies and look ok. Sorry no pics
I've used both LBM and Veni,Vedi,Veci for my Pendraken and MM with great sucess I think LBM tend to be more colorful but both work great.
Rougue
Thanks! Would you mind posting some pics? I also ordered some VVV transfers as well.
I've not used the LBM shield transfers on Pendraken figures, but they work well on Old Glory 10mm figures, although being very small they are a pain to use.
Generally I use they for from rank hoplites and hand paint simpler shield designs for second and rear ranks as they can't be seen as well.
I'm away from home for the weekend but will try and post some pictures on Monday.
Hey Dan!
Thanks for the info so far. I look forward to seeing some pics. Having the back ranks bearing simple designs is a good idea.
Matt
Here are a couple, hope the transfers are visible.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/danandsan/IMG_4726a.jpg) (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/danandsan/media/IMG_4726a.jpg.html)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/danandsan/IMG_4726a.jpg) (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/danandsan/media/IMG_4726a.jpg.html)
They look good in the flesh, but are fiddly to apply as they have to be cut out, the backing film removed and the transfer rubbed down and the paper form wet and removed.
Beautiful Dan
Yep.....Those look cracking. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Those look great! What models are those? Are those spears wire?
Thanks for the kind words.
They are Old Glory 10mm Greek Mercenary Hoplites from their Macedonian range.
Like many of the OG 10mm the figures don't have a cast on weapon, instead you have to drill out the hand using a 0.6mm drill (there is a suitably large hand supplier with a small recess to help centre your drill) and supply your own spears. I use 1" dress makers pins with the heads removed and the points flattened and ground to a suitable leaf shape.
This is quite a lot of boring and repetitive work before you get to even prime the figures but I think it's worth it because:
1) The spears are in better proportion to the size of the figures and look nicer.
2) You can vary the length of the spear by using 0.5mm brass wire to make longer spears for mounting flags.
3) Your opponents and others using you figures treat them with respect, generally after the second or third painful mishandling.
Here's the process with on a Pendraken Arab Conquest Cavalryman, I had to add an extra stage of removing the cast on spears
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/danandsan/IMG_5899.jpg) (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/danandsan/media/IMG_5899.jpg.html)
And the final result with the finished Arabs facing off against a unit of Pendraken Knights who've also been re-armed.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/danandsan/IMG_6217.jpg) (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/danandsan/media/IMG_6217.jpg.html)
Oh and reason
4) The steel or brass spears are much less likely to bend and look cr@p (I really don't like bent spears on figures) :D
That's dedication, Dan. :).......They look great !!
As one of the sculptors........My dearest (and quite impossible) wish, is that there happened to be some sort of metal 'amalgam'.....With a very, very low melting point......Which flowed so easily through a mould, that I, (and my peers) could make 'weapons' of more realistic 'widths', without giving the casters problems.
But......Once my imaginary amalgam had set.......It would be as strong as 'steel'.
Cheers - Phil (I can dream, can't I ?) ;)
That's a lot of work! But it looks worth it.
Thanks for the info! I ordered a few units of Pendraken's Macedonian Pikemen but those were the only open handed ancients I found. I do not like the look of bendy pikes.
QuoteAs one of the sculptors........My dearest (and quite impossible) wish, is that there happened to be some sort of metal 'amalgam'.....With a very, very low melting point......Which flowed so easily through a mould, that I, (and my peers) could make 'weapons' of more realistic 'widths', without giving the casters problems.
I once picked up some 25/28mm hand weapons, including lances and swords, which were cast in some sort of very hard alloy so could be quite delicate but I don't know who produced them