After a period of lassitude, I finally plucked up courage to base the horde of Jacobite Highlanders Kev painted for me for use in my Montrose army. The antediluvian basing with Basetex is to fit in with my original figures for the ECW, based some twenty years ago. I have grouped the highlanders at the front of the base to try and give them the 'feel' of an aggressive charge. . Leon has kindly agreed to insert the photos for me! All flags are by Wargames Designs.
Mollinary
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Photos added, looking good!
8)
Nice! The massed Highlanders have a great look, very effective. The Irish Brigade ain't too shabby either. :-bd
Very impressive ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil.
Those are beautiful! 8)
Figures look great i like large units :)
Sorry to be pedantic but my understanding is that the highlanders flags of that era are like the ones in the Pendraken flags section. Did you use ones you researched or generic flags?
cheers
Ian
I like. :-bd
Very inspirational Mollinary, thanks for sharing.
Those highlanders really look the part based like that.
Convinces me that the Jacobite period highlander figures work just as well for 1645 as for 1745 8)
Quote from: Sandinista on 17 January 2017, 07:46:20 AM
Figures look great i like large units :)
Sorry to be pedantic but my understanding is that the highlanders flags of that era are like the ones in the Pendraken flags section. Did you use ones you researched or generic flags?
cheers
Ian
Hi Ian,
No worries regarding pedantry! The flags are from Wargames designs Montrose Scots range and cover the Mc Donald's, Macfarlanes, Gordon's and Grahams. I am sure they would be happy to share their sources with you. Although flags are an obsession of mine I haven't done any special research in Scots flags of this era. The Pendraken ones look more like the personal flags or arms of the named individuals, do you know their source?
Best,
Mollinary
Andrew
Och, they look reet bonny the noo.
@ d guy
What Irish Brigade, what have I missed ?
Very nice figures Mollers.
Quote from: cameronian on 17 January 2017, 01:09:27 PM
@ d guy
What Irish Brigade, what have I missed ?
Very nice figures Mollers.
Thanks Cam! The fourth and fifth pictures, of the mixed pike and shot units, carry the flags of the Irish brigade. Now, you will have noticed there are no figures here in trousers, or sporting those neat little beanie hats. Well, a combination of no Irish brigade figures made by Pendraken or Minifigs/AIM, and a supposition that over the campaign as clothes wore out replacements would have been of local manufacture and style, provided sufficient justification in my flexible mind to allow me to use these Jacobites as proxies. Sue me! :D ;)
Mollinary
Perhaps I should sue my optician, I cannot see anywhere a flag I recognise as Irish Brigade - big St George's cross, In Hoc Signo Vinces - can't see it :o
Quote from: cameronian on 17 January 2017, 01:54:26 PM
Perhaps I should sue my optician, I cannot see anywhere a flag I recognise as Irish Brigade - big St George's cross, In Hoc Signo Vinces - can't see it :o
Oh very witty! :D. ;D ;D ;D. These ones belong to a rather large thug called Alasdair McColla!
Mollinary
As I have proven time and time again I am no authority on - anything. I do like flags and actually use flags to tell me which unit is which on the table top (plus the labels I now place beside them a'la PaulR :)) so for what it is worth - the flags of the Irish Brigade (with the possible exception of the one Cameronian mentions, OK and maybe one other, are all conjectured). It's just that most gamers seem to use the flags show.
As to dress, it's not clear if most members of the IB were battle-hardened veterans from Flanders, raw Irish recruits (Antrim mainly), men of the isles, etc or, most likely, all the above. This bespeaks a wide variety of dress (and that only when they first landed in Scotland). The were redressed multiple time (as Mollnary suggests) - so who knows. It is not even clear if they had pikes (many arguements pro and con) although they could have picked them up after every battle they fought. :)
As to clan flags I pick some major motif (a fish, a raven, etc) from the coat of arms (usually modern) and use that - why? Because I like it!
I commit more errors in every unit I assembly then scholars can possibly enumerate - Oh Well! I even have a warning (several I think) on my blog that what I do should not be used as entirely factual for the period.
I know that this reads as the height of arrogance and pendantry - just the style in which I write. ;)
I like what everybody does for this period and enjoy seeing the various illusions.
Very effective and they look cool in their sabot bases.
Excellent looking figures there sir!
"And tell me will we never hear the end
Of puir bluidy Charlie at Culloden yet again?
Though he ran like a rabbit down the glen
Leavin better folk than him to be butchered
Or are you sittin in your Council house, dreamin o your clan?
Waiting for the Jacobites to come and free the land?
Try going down the broo with your claymore in your hand
And count all the Princes in the queue!"
- Brian McNeill
Quote from: d_Guy on 17 January 2017, 02:48:50 PM) so for what it is worth - the flags of the Irish Brigade (with the possible exception of the one Cameronian mentions, OK and maybe one other, are all conjectured). It's just that most gamers seem to use the flags show.
As to dress, it's not clear if most members of the IB were battle-hardened veterans from Flanders, raw Irish recruits (Antrim mainly), men of the isles, etc or, most likely, all the above. This bespeaks a wide variety of dress (and that only when they first landed in Scotland). The were redressed multiple time (as Mollnary suggests) - so who knows. It is not even clear if they had pikes (many arguements pro and con) although they could have picked them up after every battle they fought. :)
Thanks for all this, it is good to have support for my ex post facto rationalisations from a real expert! In the end, I wasn't willing to let lack of firm info or tailored figures to deprive me of the fun of creating Montrose's army. As for Cam's flag, I think he is referring to the ones carried by the Wild Geese regiments in French service after the Glorious Revolution!
Mollinary
We have a saying here, an expert is anyone forty miles from home - in that respect.... :D
I have a vague recollection that the Red Cross flag was associated with MacColla but could easily be wrong.
Hi Mollinary
I checked the book that I used to base the Highlanders standards upon that Leon sells. It was from an article in Vol. XXII/II of P&SS's Arquebusier magazine under Notes and Queries on p.25. The author (unnamed so I am guessing Stephen Ede-Borrett - the then editor) states that the 17th century was a time of change, with the square banner becoming more common and gaining predominance over the standards by the time of the 18th century rebellions.
So either design seems to be equally valid.
Cheers
Ian
:-bd
lovely set of pictures (of lovely looking figures, on a lovely look table, all looking lovely).
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 18 January 2017, 11:46:04 AM
:-bd
lovely set of pictures (of lovely looking figures, on a lovely look table, all looking lovely).
Lovely! :D
Mollinary
Quote from: Sandinista on 18 January 2017, 10:41:42 AM
Hi Mollinary
I checked the book that I used to base the Highlanders standards upon that Leon sells. It was from an article in Vol. XXII/II of P&SS's Arquebusier magazine under Notes and Queries on p.25. The author (unnamed so I am guessing Stephen Ede-Borrett - the then editor) states that the 17th century was a time of change, with the square banner becoming more common and gaining predominance over the standards by the time of the 18th century rebellions.
So either design seems to be equally valid.
Cheers
Ian
Thanks Ian. At least no changes necessary!
Mollinary
Hello,
I am new to the forum and I have started purchasing some LOA minatures. I think the work in the miniatures to be 1st class. I was wondering if I could ask your help. I have one question. What size are your bases?
Best regards,
Jean
Lovely looking units, they really are top notch. Like the basing, the Basetex works really well. :)
Hi Jean, and welcome. You have made a great choice with the LoA range, they are beautiful figures! The bases are simply steel 1 1/2 inches square. I then use three of them to make a unit. For a period as disorganised as the English Civil War this allows me to use the base to creat different units, so that musket basss can be combined to make a commanded shot unit, or I can create an all pike unit easily. As I love big games, I use movement trays, or sabots, from Warbases, as it makes it so much quicker to move large numbers of units. The sabot has an interior space of 4 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches, with a couple of spare millimetres on each edge to allow for variations in base size. The rim is 5mm wide all round, which allows me to add a small paper slip on the rear edge with key info about the unit on it.
Warbases are really helpful, and have made sabots of a wide variety of dimensions for me to fit my basing for different rules systems.
Hope this helps,
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 31 January 2017, 09:17:29 AM
Hi Jean, and welcome. You have made a great choice with the LoA range, they are beautiful figures! The bases are simply steel 1 1/2 inches square. I then use three of them to make a unit. For a period as disorganised as the English Civil War this allows me to use the base to creat different units, so that musket basss can be combined to make a commanded shot unit, or I can create an all pike unit easily. As I love big games, I use movement trays, or sabots, from Warbases, as it makes it so much quicker to move large numbers of units. The sabot has an interior space of 4 1/2 inches by 1 1/2 inches, with a couple of spare millimetres on each edge to allow for variations in base size. The rim is 5mm wide all round, which allows me to add a small paper slip on the rear edge with key info about the unit on it.
Warbases are really helpful, and have made sabots of a wide variety of dimensions for me to fit my basing for different rules systems.
Hope this helps,
Mollinary
Thank you for the reply I shall look into the base sizes and material.
Best regards,
Jean
These look lovely. I really like the basing. That green to yellow grass is really pleasing to my eyes.
Quote from: DFlynSqrl on 31 January 2017, 02:40:57 PM
These look lovely. I really like the basing. That green to yellow grass is really pleasing to my eyes.
Thanks DFS! Although I always apologise for these, as it is a very '90s' way of basing, and a bit of a pain to do, like you I do find the final effect quite pleasing. It works particularly well, if the uniforms are a bit dull, in brightening the overall look of the unit.
Mollinary