With the new year I wanted to begin my painting diary thread anew and with the proper name. Because of the conjectured problem with lengthy threads (among other things) and since Adam is alleged to have said to Eve on first sight, "Stand back! I don't know how big this is going to get!", it seemed also a prudent action.
I used a double apostrophe in the title (the single apostrophe perhaps being the issue in posting the previous thread). If the thread title posts in full then that is a work around.
Ok - damn the apostrophes - full speed ahead!
I've been intensely working on resurrecting my old Kriegspieler Napoleonics to use them with a One Hour Wargames campaign (thanks to Norm for the Inspiration). This meant reorganizing a small British and Russian army, basing them, making a portable 3' x 3' board, making all the terrain features and collecting the game aides in one place.
I then had to find a suitable background for an imaginary campaign - the Baltic 1809 ( where Russia and Britain where actually fighting a low intensity war) - make up a story - and organize the OHW scenarios to drive the campaign. I'm about halfway through this last bit.
The Battle of Benburb is setup in 10mm on the dinning room table (my wife insisted on certain concessions!) and I will get back to it soon.
There is also the Iliad project and the Space Infantry project (both in 10mm) in various states of completion (it is this flitting about that causes me to admire PaulR - and many others for their "stick to it 'till it's done" approach)
The FPW project is still there (with a mountain of Pendraken lead) and I may convert this to a OHW format so it looks less overwhelming.
There is, of course, my historfantasy 1457 campaign sitting there waiting for Pendraken Aztecs to materialize. I may add some Jack Vance Dragon Masters stuff (thanks to a lot of great suggestions from the denizens of this forum).
And last but very far from least is the extension of my primary interest area to 1670 - 1692 using the wonderful Pendraken LoA figures.
Much of the regular forces (The Royal army at Sedgemoor and MacKay's army at Killiecranckie) is in the process of being farmed out to a Toxic Pixie for painting. I continue to work on Monmouth's army.
As soon as I finish the 1809 stuff and refight Benburb (probably) I'll start posting pictures.
Dang - I forgot - on New Years Day I took a break, dug out a bunch of my old ECW 25mm and individually based about thirty of each side to use with "Pikemen's Lament" when it comes out next month.
I've merged the two threads together and changed the subject title on them all, so we should be good to go!
Thanks, Leon!
Of course I was total baffled when I came back to look until I read your note! :)
No worries, I've cleaned it up a bit so people aren't confused by all the apostrophe waffle!
Does this mean "the one true thread" is actually accessible?
Yes it does! =D> =D> =D> =D>
Yes! Leon is ever vigilant!
After spending the last month or so getting many of my larger scale figures organized, touched up (including some repainting), and based to play One Hour Wargames, I finally got back to painting Pendraken 10mm's.
Monmouth's White Regiment:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/monmouths-white-regiment.jpg?w=700)
If you are interested there are more pics and commentary here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2017/02/02/monmouths-white-regiment-1685/
I have BatReps almost ready to go for One Hour Wargaming (OHW) 1809 and 1643 but not sure if they should go in the regular BatRep catagory since they are neither Pendraken nor 10mm. Maybe someone could tell me?
Finally a shout out to Norm Smith ( "Just" Norm) whose posts inspired me to try OHW!
http://battlefieldswarriors.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/1-hour-wargames-initial-look.html
And
http://battlefieldswarriors.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/black-powder-and-one-hour-wargames.html#more
If uncertain where to post start a non -Pendraken thread in the non-Pendraken board.
Interesting conversions, d_guy. Are these pike wires hollow?
Thanks Leman that seems right.
Westie, the pikes are cut from 0.032" (0.81mm) straight brass rod.
Nice work there.
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
:-bd =D> :-bd
Very nice - and thanks for the shout. Norm.
Norm, if I hadn't watched your "Christmas" videos I would not have considered OHW for much of anything since I was more interested in Blackpowder at the time. OHW is now providing a vast amount f entertainment, so thank you.
What I am currently painting (a sloooooow process):
Pendraken 10mm
1. The Lyme Independent Company of Monmouth's Army
2. Monmouth Command Group (using the LoA 35 vignette, an additional LoA mounted figure, and two of Phil's sheep)
3. A piper for Dumbarton's Foot (Sedgemoor) pieced together from most of an LoA pikeman and both arms, a shoulder and a bagpipe from a Minifig 10mm)
In this project (1660-1692) I still have to start on Monmouth's Green and Yellow Regiments plus some of Lord Grey's rebel horse. I will then turn to doing elements of the Dorset, Devon and Somerset militias.
Toxic Pixie ( https://www.facebook.com/jtppainting ) has in hand my order of a bunch of Pendraken 10mm LoA to be painted as James II's Army at Sedgemoor and a goodly portion of MacKay's Scots Government (Williamite) Army at Killiecrankie.
The full list (and painting guide) for this commission to Pixie can be found here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/
My 10mm armies for 1638 - 1660 engaged on Celtic Fringe are completed.
These are mostly (around 75%) Pendraken comprising Scots Covenant, Irish Confederation, Anglo/Irish, Scots Highland, various (militias, fencibles, clubment, etc) and English New Model. Many can assume different identities (e.g. Montrose's Royalists) by swapping flags. I may add a few specialty troops but no real need at the moment.
Nice work on those figures, Bill.
Sorry I missed them before......Blame the stay in hospital. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Phil,
Glad you are now presumably stabilized, on the mend, and feeling better.
Thank you for the sheep! :)
I have spent most of my time recently working out and playing One Hour Wargames using various scales in both Pike & Shot and Horse & Musket periods. Since it was a game in 10mm I did a Battle Report in this forum thread:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,15565.0.html
I have done several other OHW battles that I won't do BatReps here (most are not 10mm) but if you care to have a look, various links are provided in this post in my primary blog for the games I bothered to document:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2017/02/12/some-fun-stuff/
I play solo and manage to frequently lose! So far I have played the British in 1809 and lost to the Russians - twice. I Played the English in 1643 and lost to the Scots - Irish Coalition - twice. I also played the English in 1639 and lost to a Scots Highland force.
The only time I have won so far is as the Irish Coalition against the English Commonwealth. Pathetic record (I'm 1-5).
It occurs to me that I put lots of links to my blogs in my forum posts which may look like trolling for hits (which is partly true). For most bloggers, blogging is about communicating (although a few are striving for hit numbers to increase the value of ad placement). I actually PAY for by blogs to assure that readers are NOT bothered by ads.
I read comments elsewhere that bloggers are validated by hits (like FBers who relish friends and likes). Maybe, but I get more validation by watching my posting rank insignia here become more and more extravagant. :)
Here is a picture of each of the other documented OHW games (in case you don't want to bother with the above links):
Der Kriegspielers (~20mm) Napoleonics 1809 (sort of) - British in foreground:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/naps1-1.jpg?w=700)
Various 25/28mm 1643 - English in foreground:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ecw-s1-2.jpg?w=700)
Quote from: d_Guy on 13 February 2017, 06:20:22 PM
I play solo and manage to frequently lose!
It's almost as if when you play solo your opponent can tell what you're thinking! ;)
On a side note, I'll have to add your blog to my reading list. :)
Looking good, Bill.
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: DFlynSqrl on 13 February 2017, 07:55:52 PM
It's almost as if when you play solo your opponent can tell what you're thinking! ;)
:) very true - you very much need well differentiated multiple personalities to pull it off successfully (or great AI features).
At the moment my opponent is my thin, athletic and enormously focused self of near fifty years ago, while I play as my current fat, arthritic and slow-witted self. :D
And again, gentlemen, thanks for the comments and DFlynSqrl also the blog follow.
Having been inspired by recent posts on the subject, I decided to photograph my progress on the Trojan War.
As always there is a blog post on the subject:
https://leadenshipsandtinmen.com/2017/02/16/trojan-war/
My 10mm Trojan War figures are using some custom hex sabots that Leon ran up for me back in the summer. They are individual but can also be permanently assembled In various ways:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/various-hex-combinations.jpg?w=700)
The bases are only roughly done and the figures have not had their final going over ( not that I'm capable of much improvement).
Some Trojan heroes:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/trojan-heroes.jpg?w=700)
Some Achean heroes:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/aechean-heroes.jpg?w=700)
Ajax takes on Hector:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ajax-v-hector.jpg?w=700)
I am running somewhere in the neighborhood of 50/50 Pendraken / MM. I shimed up the Pendrakens so at the moment it is easy to tell which is which.
Cool - they look very effective, I don't think I would have thought of doing this sort of basing, its kind of a cross between board game and traditional wargame.
Are you doing units, or just heroes?
This is very cool d_Guy. The basing looks like it will be very effective.
Thanks Fred and DFS!
@Fred. There will be both units and individuals (although all figures will be based individually on pennies). I have a couple dozen archers, slingers and spearmen made up at this point and they are painted in neutral colors so they can fight for either side. A few of them (light green figure bases) are in the first picture. The units are made up of different clusters of individual sabots (which are glued into a perminant form.
haven't worked out chariots yet.
I tend to lean in the direction of boardgames since many these days are designed for solo play. Most of my tabletop wargaming reflects this influence.
Yeah looks very effective
Take care
Andy
I like the idea of 10mm Trojan War! 8)
They look cracking !
Cheers - Phil.
The unbearable limpness of pikes
During a discussion of pikemen cast with and without pikes about this time last year,
Bobgnar (on the TMP Renaissance Forum) suggested a liquid product that polymerizes to hardness with UV light (RapidFix):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QSA77NE/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I finally got around to trying it and rather like the result.
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/rapidfix-pikes.jpg?w=750)
Very simple procedure. Paint the clear fluid on the pike shaft then hit it with the UV light for 15 or 20 seconds::
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/rapidfix-pikes-uv.jpg?w=750)
The result is much less bendable pikes. I will note that the pikes shafts will now be somewhat glossy (in the first picture the pikes have already been treated and hardened so you can judge the glossiness). If this is disturbing, a matte finish could be applied. At some point I'll try this on a primed figure and see how well the polymer takes a coat of paint.
My blog post with additional info is here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2017/03/14/messing-with-pikes/
My God, those pikes! Strong with the Force my Landsknechts are!
:)
Imagine a battle played in black light!
Brilliant
No McTavish, I am your father.
I suppose a night attack is out of the question, now, Sir?
Greetings all,
I finished the first two books of Scott Washburn's The Great Martian War and wanted a fighting machine in 10mm (more or less). I have ordered some tripods from Pendraken but made this out of wood bits and armature wire.
It attacks a couple batteries of Ulster Scot frame guns:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/wow-at-benburb-1.jpg?w=700)
It turns to destroy two brigades of Irish Confederation Foot trying to flank it:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/wow-at-benburb-2.jpg?w=700)
Okay! :o
Good work fella!
Ulla! :)
Quote from: Westmarcher on 16 March 2017, 11:55:48 AM
I suppose a night attack is out of the question, now, Sir?
I wish I knew what I was on when I posted that.
[btw, d_guy, Martians in the 17th Century? Can't wait for 'Thunderchild' in galley form! :P ]
Looks great, Bill !
Cheers - Phll
I'm sure this has been posted here before but worth another go for those who might have missed it
That little Martian walker looks great! I'm not sure what damage a frame gun is likely to cause, even with a lucky shot. :(
Ulla indeed! Thanks gentlemen!
As to the 17th century, the well know phrase, "if the only tool you own is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". Seems to apply. :)
I am setting up the Battle of Benburb so it was available to show scale.
I have seen some of "The Great Martian War" on YouTube but have not watched it in any systematic way.
Yup, the frame guns would be useless (in the unlikely event of a hit the ball would simply bounce off). Other than snares and pitfalls (or some insane forlorn hope affixing a petard), not sure how the lads with deal with such a thing! Although, Westie, the 100 gun Sovereign of the Seas might give it a decent go (assuming they outrange the heat ray!) :)
I have WW1 stuff coming from Pendraken (an Boer cavalry which I hope to proxie for US Cavalry).
This is going to end up as HOTT, but got both Future War Commander and All Quiet on the Martian Front rules to look at so may try one or both (at the moment like FWC better).
While I slowly work on Monmouth's army, the West Country Militia and MacKay's (Scourie's) Scot's regulars, Toxic Pixie is commissioned to do Faversham's regulars and MacKay's Dutch brigade.
Here are a few of the first pictures Pixie has sent me of the First Foot Guards:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/img_0611.jpg?w=450)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/img_0613.jpg?w=450)
I'm very pleased with them! I would like to paint in this style but just can't see the details on a figure primed black.
They will contrast nicely (and look like by G_d regulars) to my Monmouth's, shall we say, more impressionistic style.
I've started a page at my blog for JBT Painting (Pixie's):
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/jbt-painting/
Superb
Quote from: d_Guy on 14 May 2017, 01:11:09 PM
I'm very pleased with them! I would like to paint in this style but just can't see the details on a figure primed black.
They will contrast nicely (and look like by G_d regulars) to my Monmouth's, shall we say, more impressionistic style.
(Pixie's):
Once you've primed back you can give them a grey or white drybrush and that will bring out much of the detail and leave the recessed parts black.
Thanks! Of the various techniques I've seen and tried I think I missed that one - will give it a try on the Militia.
Very nice!
Ta! The LoA figures are superb - well up as Pendrakens best, I think. So I just paint by numbers on the excellent detail :D
Pixie has now complete the First Foot Guard so here are a few more pics:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/image1.jpg?w=600)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/image2.jpg?w=600)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/image3.jpg?w=600)
I'll be adding the pikes and flags.
Very nice work .
Cheers - Phil.
Balls, I've looked at those several times and I only just spotted I've missed a shoulder strap on one of the grenadiers! Back out the box they come :D
Credit to the sculptor, they're cracking figures. And d_guy's "unit assembly instructions" are very good - they should look very meaty in action!
There's dedication to service! 8)
Nice!
Very nice painting, on some lovely figures
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Looking great so far, can't wait to see a shot of them in action.
Inspired by Urban, Pixie, Lemmy, et. al., finally got Monmouth's fourth regiment done (although not based).
The Yellow Regiment:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/monmouth-yellow-regt-unbased-1.jpg?w=1200)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/monmouth-yellow-regt-unbased-2.jpg?w=1200)
Those look great! 8)
Inspiration- me? :o
Very nice painting, lots of variety.
Martin
T'riffic !!
Cheers - Phil.
Thanks folks, only one more foot regiment to go.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 26 May 2017, 04:16:07 PM
Inspiration- me? :o
Yup - all them Swiss pikemen with a zillion flags followed by a clowder of red, twisty Burgundian crosses looking like every picture I've ever seen of Roicroi - yes, inspirational!
Gosh, thanks. :-[
I got Monmouth's Yellow Regiment on their bases and placed on a monement stand (magnetic sabot). Put them in a little deeper formation then usual:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/monmouth-yellow-regt-1.jpg?w=900)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/monmouth-yellow-regt-2.jpg?w=800)
They have come out rather well!!
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Yep !
Like those !
Cheers - Phil
Superb
Looking very nice! Seeing all of these shote and long pointy thingies has me wanting to start working on some of my TYW armies - a favorite period.
Terry
:-bd =D> :-bd
One of my favourite quotations from Dean Swift: We have just enough religion to make us hate, not love one another. (Swift's punctuation, not mine)
Even with amended punctuation it is too long to put on a flag in 10mm.
I always liked "He was a brave man who first ate an oyster."
Thanks for the comments, gentlemen. I now have the fifth regiment (Green) on painting sticks as well as the second squadron of Grey's Horse and two light guns.
I am not sure if "squadron" is an applicable term at this time BTW.
Quote from: Terry37 on 28 May 2017, 02:14:15 PM
Looking very nice! Seeing all of these shote and long pointy thingies has me wanting to start working on some of my TYW armies - a favorite period.
Terry
I think everyone should wargame the Musket and Pike period. Since I hate painting horses, however, I tend to shy away from the TYW, but I enjoy looking at what every one else does. :)
A fine pike and shot-era army should be coming out soon....with no cavalry at all!
That would be my cup of tea. Throw in some halbrediers and sword and bucklermen and I'd be good to go. I would let someone else worry about scouting, flank protection, and looting the baggage train (and all that equine painting that goes with it).
Do the speak a German dialect I wonder?
Quote from: d_Guy on 29 May 2017, 03:38:40 AM
I think everyone should wargame the Musket and Pike period. Since I hate painting horses, however, I tend to shy away from the TYW, but I enjoy looking at what every one else does. :)
I share your aversion to painting 4-legged beasties. I don't know why, but it's usually the mounted element of the army that ends up sitting, part-finished, at the back of the painting table for ages. Even more so if it's in a larger scale than 10mm.
So why, oh why, did I go for Poles and Ottomans for The Pikeman's lament?
I know why - getting the coat to look right, all those leather straps, stirrups, the mane, tail and lower legs, the white bits. It just goes on and on.
Quote from: d_Guy on 30 May 2017, 12:29:13 AM
That would be my cup of tea.
Are you sure you're American? I thought you lot hadn't drunk tea since some minor fracas in Boston.
Glad to know that others leave the cavalry right at the back of the queue. However, for 'The Pikemen's Lament' and 'Honours of War', they can't be avoided and have quite a lot to paint, which I'm not looking forward to.
Quote from: fsn on 30 May 2017, 07:01:44 AM
Are you sure you're American? I thought you lot hadn't drunk tea since some minor fracas in Boston.
You obviously don't watch Grimm - those Oregon folk are always drinking tea. It also strongly advises (probably inadvertently) not to use the woods for recreational purposes.
Quote from: fsn on 30 May 2017, 07:01:44 AM
Are you sure you're American? I thought you lot hadn't drunk tea since some minor fracas in Boston.
We drink lots of tea here - iced tea - which a bit further south is called Ah-c-tee - pronounced as one word like asti (Spumante).
Around here it's called Sweet Tea - it being supersaturated with sugar. It's rumored that our betters over in DC still drink it out of cups - hot!
I keep meaning to watch "Grimm" but have to paint horses.
Have finished off some more Monmouth stuff:
The Green Regiment:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/monmouths-green-regiment.jpg?w=800)
A "squadron" of Lord Grey's Horse (left) and the meager artillery train (right):
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/monmouths-green-regiment-friends-2.jpg?w=800)
The usual blog post is here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2017/06/02/monmouths-green-regiment-1685-and-friends/
I now plan to move on to the West Country Militia (two foot regiments in red faced yellow and two in yellow faced red). Pixie is doing a bit of the Militia horse (as well as the rest of Greys horse). I have also decided to do the Tangier Horse. Yes I will have it in red faced blue at Sedgemoor - and hats to match the dismounted form, but I'm putting it in red coats faced white with lobster tail helmets to use at Tangier AND as West Country Militia.
Very nice sir
Wot Will, said. 8)
Cheers - Phil
:-bd =D> :-bd
Nice :-bd
Thanks, all!
I love the LoA castings! The scythmen have six different looks and are easily converted to pikemen. I think a couple, because of their caps, can me converted to Royal Army gunners also. Great figures.
Here is Monmouth's army essentially finished:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/monmouths-army-view-1.jpg?w=800)
And since I want to probably do an alternate history campaign (Monmouth achieved surprise at Sedgemoor) I have bulked out his army with my collection of ad hoc militia and civilians:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/monmouths-enhanced-arrmy-3.jpg?w=800)
And here:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/monmouths-enhanced-arrmy-1.jpg?w=800)
There are some more pictures and some brief explaination at this blog post:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2017/06/03/monmouths-army/
Nice looking army, well worth the time and effort you've put into them.
Martin
Those look fantastic! 8)
VERY 8)
Cheers - Phil.
Thanks again. :)
Quote from: Leman on 30 May 2017, 06:22:45 AM
I know why - getting the coat to look right, all those leather straps, stirrups, the mane, tail and lower legs, the white bits. It just goes on and on.
You are right - you are absolutely right! I've just come from painting more of them. Because there are three pairs of legs it is like painting three separate figures but without the same sense of accomplishment! I'm glad I don't work in a realm (usually) where the cavalry is mounted on spiders or - centipedes! :o
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
I find making an assumption that everyone's tack is black, and using a black undercoat you can save a lot of faff for a very decent table top return ;)
Pixie and I are continuing to tag team what will be my armies at Sedgemoor and Killiecrankie.
He has just turned out Kirke's (1685)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/image1.jpg?w=700)
Here is a link to the slideshow (I hope) of a few more shots of Pixie's Queen Dowager's Regiment;
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/jbt-painting/#jp-carousel-5239
Thanks, Nathan!
PS. The desicision not to reverse the coat colours of the drummer was mine (could have gone either way I think). Just don't want any blame to accrue to Pixie :)
Reversed coat colours - I strongly suspect NOT using them for regiments in the field is correct (as opposed to "first full set of "parade" uniforms received and no ones shot the really obvious bloke with the drum and groovy coat yet" ;) ).
Look great chaps
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Looks fantastic
Take care
Andy
Pixie also now has the Coldstream Guard now near done:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/img_5900.jpg?w=700)
Three new pics added to the beginning of the slideshow:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/jbt-painting/#jp-carousel-5248
I am about half way through painting two regiments of (nominally) Somerset militia (red coats faced yellow) and a mounted commander (an as yet to be named worthy from the aristocracy). The horses for the Tangier horse are near finished and will concentrate on color block the riders nest.
He's done a cracking job on all those !
Well done, Nathan.
Cheers - Phil.
Great stuff! ;)
Cheers chaps - the credit really should go to the sculptor, as (to misquote someone else who said it) all i do is slap paint on by the numbers :D
And those sculpts are super - I don't know if Leon/Dave is watching, but I wonder what chunk of sales the LoA stuff generates? I'd have thought it a fairly "niche" market (sandwiched forlornly between the ECW/30YW and Marlborough) but commissions for it are very popular and piccies seem to pop up all the time!
Great work
I am enjoying following this immensely. A favorite period for me. Your figures are looking GREAT!
Terry
They are really looking great!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 06 June 2017, 07:14:25 AM
And those sculpts are super - I don't know if Leon/Dave is watching, but I wonder what chunk of sales the LoA stuff generates? I'd have thought it a fairly "niche" market (sandwiched forlornly between the ECW/30YW and Marlborough) but commissions for it are very popular and piccies seem to pop up all the time!
I must admit it's not a period I had really thought about in the past, but seeing the fantastic range Pendraken released caused me to rethink.
But, as I already have 800+ painted WSS figures (plus another army pack on the way from Leon), I'm wondering it would be too similar to game. For the same reason I've avoided the Great Northern War as well.
Thanks for the comments (and Pixie thanks you also :) )
Quote from: sunjester on 06 June 2017, 02:49:43 PM
I must admit it's not a period I had really thought about in the past, but seeing the fantastic range Pendraken released caused me to rethink.
But, as I already have 800+ painted WSS figures (plus another army pack on the way from Leon), I'm wondering it would be too similar to game. For the same reason I've avoided the Great Northern War as well.
I think this is an interesting and essential question. We have several folks expert in this transitional period (basically the divide between Pike and Shot and Horse and Musket) and it would be good to hear from them. Simply dragging pikes around with you changes your formations, capabilities and mindset. It makes what went in in 1680 (substantially?) different then what came out in 1702.
It seems like the entire 17th c. is about gaining enough confidence to make the leap away from pikes. Basically figuring out how to use firepower (and rapidly improving technologies), how the horse (include dragoons) should be employed, and how to efficiently reorganize at every level. All thing considered I think 1680 - 170x is one of the most interesting periods in Warfare.
I have thought about doing the opposite, moving forward with the figures I have and just dropping out the pikes.
I suppose that means that you could buy a pack of pikemen - and add them to some if your foot - and give it a try. :)
I don't know what rules to use - Baroque claims up to 1700, V&R starts at 1700 and Twiglet 1680 - 1721. I haven't tried Baroque yet for 1680ff and don't know the other rules. Undoubtedly there may be other rules even better at switching between the periods.
They are beautiful castings however. :-bd
Twiglets
(http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/639x426/s_v/twiglets_el_26mar12_rex_b_639x426.jpg)
;D
Yes - I understand they are quite popular across the water. Never tried them but I understand they are coated with a non-nutritive cereal vanish, perhaps the very one developed by Clark Griswold.
To be more precise "Twilight of the Sun King 2.0" (which I have not seen yet).
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Pixie has added another regiment (Dumbarton's) to James II's growing army:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/dumbarton-2.jpg?w=600)
A couple more pic here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/jbt-painting/#jp-carousel-5377
Meanwhile on the home front:
The first two 1685 militia regiments are about half way done. They are in there scarlet coats with highlighting done. The base buff accouterments are on as well as breeches of various colors.
The head gear is all broad brimmed hats in various configurations and colors
Nominally these will be the red and yellow regiments of the Dorset militia (Bridport and Dorchester).
The Tangier Horse is also now in red coats, white facings, steel pots and buff accouterments. They will do double duty as Wiltshire militia horse.
Good job gents
I've sent you the Grenadier pic a bit early; they now have squiggles on the front of the hat :D
Great to see Toxic's handiwork in close up (good stuff, Nathan :-bd ). Don't wish to put pressure on you, Bill, but when will we see the next completed and based unit? :-w
:D
Cheers! Always nice to get nice feedback :D
I do need better light, the weather didn't co-operate very well there - the outside shots in decent but not glaring sun were much better.
I'd say I need a little photo booth, but I know I'd only cover it books, the lead mountain and coffee cups in a week :D
I'm well pleased with Pixie's work (and the pressure comes from him painting faster - and with better results then me) ;)
I normally don't finish bases until I have several units to do (I tend to throw flock with great abandon so like to get it over with in one fell swoop.) Monmouth's regiments have been the exception - based and flocked each as they were painted.
I will finish the Tangier Horse first but have two problems. Can't decide how to dress the bases - sand (ala' Paul and Pierre - 'cause I really like how that looks) or the usual weeds and green flock - both work for Tangier but will look funny on the Somerset Levels.
They did not become the Royal Dragoons until thier return to England in Spring, 1684 (in fact they weren't considered dragoons when in Tangier) - I don't know what to use for their flag.
When the militia is done I need to do the Scottish army regiments at Killiecrankie which means modifying 90 some figures with green stuff bonnets! That'll be fun.
Do both flags separately, put them round some 1mm tubing, swap as needed! ;)
That's a good idea Mr. Lemmy, and I have done that for a few units in the past. The real problem is that the Royal Dragoons were present in the Sedgemoor campaign so Pixie will be painting them and they have a known standards (which I'll stick on) so that at least is worked out.
The Tangier Horse (and their alter ego in the Sedgemoor campaign - the Wiltshire Militia horse) have unknown flags (at least to me) so I need to come up with something that looks plauasable for both (or as you said have one of each).
We occasionally tie ourselves in knots over this stuff. :D
Or just field both units!
Hi all,
I finished the Tangier Horse (which will double as Wiltshire Militia):
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/tangier-horse-1.jpg?w=700)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/tangier-horse-2.jpg?w=700)
After looking at a bunch of pictures and satellite images of the Tangier region, it is more green than desert-like. So based Green but with more rocks than usual:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/tangier-horse-3.jpg?w=700)
Have found very little concerning their uniform and nothing on flags. Decided to go with the green dragoon of house Braganza (in honor of the Queen Consort's dowry). Chose a red field to give it more of a county militia look. Easy enough to change if I find something more proper.
The Dorset militia is near 3/4 done and starting to assemble the Somerset militia. Plan to do the Tangier Spanish Horse with it (which may be able to double as French or Irish horse).
Very very nice!
:-bd =D> :-bd
Good call on the green basing, makes them much more usable
Very nice looking cavalry unit.
Hear, hear !
Cheers - Phil
I spent the last couple days transforming my uncompleted Pendraken petting zoo into new Baroque (the rules set) status markers and re-purposing some of the existing ones. I Also decided on certain meta tags for use on this forum.
These are new:
Reacted Markers - Black-faced sheep - based on tradition these will be named "Technos" and "Lemmys", depending on battle venue:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-sheep-reacted.jpg?w=600)
Activated Marker - dogs (in background) - as these represent a large amount of completed activity that reoccurs in endless cycles, "Leons" would seem to have a nice ring.
( and in foreground)
First Volley Marker - poultry (geese and hens) - "Westies" for their loud, disruptive but often accurate explosions:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-dogshensgeese.jpg?w=600)
Cavalry Weapon Status Marker - small furry and adorable creatures - cats for Point Blank Pistols and rabbits for Lance Bonus - "Fierce Kittys " and "Terrys" (for obvious reasons):
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-catrabbits.jpg?w=600)
These have been repurposed:
Disordered Marker - piles of rocks - to be known as "Failing System Notators" or more simply, "fsns":
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-rock-piles.jpg?w=600)
First Casualty Marker (used only in the skirmish version) - drummer - these are styled "Lemans" - once dour Puritans, they now joyously beat the drum for historic war gaming:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-single-casualties.jpg?w=600)
Exhausted Marker (Second Casualty in the skirmish version) - drummer and officer - while there are small groups of members that play games together and post individually here, calling these markers, "PaulPierres" seem appropriate:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-double-casualties.jpg?w=600)
Finally, all the now displaced individual fallen casualty makers have been gathered together to make Destroyed Command (wing, battalia) Markers. Because of their nearly total derivative nature, these will be called, "Mollinary Structures":
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/baroque-markers-lost-command.jpg?w=600)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
All great choices
;D ;D =D> =D> =D>
;D ;D ;D ;D I do like the idea of modelled status markers.
They look rather spiffy. For pre-gunpowder I use a supernumary in some appropriate colour (yellow=routing, brown=gone to earth, green=morale shaky, red=enraged). For post gunpowder, I use either an ensign or smoke. I think I put a thread on the forum asking about this somewhere, but I can't find it. Was one of the chaps suggested the ensigns.
Quote from: d_Guy on 22 June 2017, 10:20:43 PM
Disordered Marker - piles of rocks - to be known as "Failing System Notators" or more simply, "fsns":
Hey! FSN! That's like me! What are the chances? :D
Give that man a cheese sandwich.
With extra helping of cress!
Those are brilliant!
Am I that reactive? Oh look, I've gained an alectron*!
*smallest known components of beer atoms.
I'm deeply insulted by those choices......
Thanks gentlemen these were fun to do.
Quote from: fsn on 23 June 2017, 06:32:22 AM
Hey! FSN! That's like me! What are the chances? :D
It was only later that I noticed the happy accident ;)
Quote from: ianrs54 on 23 June 2017, 09:22:38 AM
I'm deeply insulted by those choices......
Wait until Pendraken comes up with wombats, giant tree sloths, flying squirrels, great Barbary apes, rabid bats....
Two regiments of West Country militia painted and based (red & blue). Generic but will often play the part of the Dorset Militia. Mounted figure is one of the a Lord Lieutenant's minion
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/wcm-redblue-1.jpg?w=600)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/wcm-redblue-2.jpg?w=600)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/wcm-redblue-3.jpg?w=600)
A few notes:
the NCO and OR are all wearing issued regimental coats (the officers fend for themselves). Headgear is personal (although a few veterans are wearing white edge lace or seam). Hard to tell but a variety of shades of small clothes (breeches, hose, waistcoats). Accouterments and weapons are very similar (Parish military stores).
The musket:pike ratio is roughly 3:2
Very cool
Cool. You are getting lots of units done.
:-bd =D> :-bd
As already noted good progress :)
Coming along nicely, Bill. :-bd
25mm square bases?
Those look belting, Bill.
Cheers - Phil.
Cracking stuff Bill, I must crack on this end as well :)
More great looking units.
Lovely, lovely work 8)
Thanks again, gentlemen.
Westie, 1" x 1" so a hair over 25mm. I have a great source for them and they are 1/8" thick which I happen to like also.
While I am rather provincial in my views I would REALLY like the US to go metric!
Great looking units.
I am trying to get the Cavalcade caught up a bit. Pixie finished The Queen Consort's Regiment of Foot (Trelawney's at Sedgemoor) a couple weeks ago:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/trelawney-1.jpg?w=700)
A few other pics are here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/jbt-painting/#jp-carousel-5941
I also added some more pics to the 1:1 weapons section of my blog.
A wheellock rifled carbine:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/wheellock-carbine.jpg?w=600)
A vambrace (bridle guard):
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/vambrace.jpg?w=600)
Additional pics are here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/equipment-in-11-scale-empty/firearms-and-armor/
On my own painting table I have almost finished three units of Berbers proxied from Pendraken Madhists SC7 and SC15. The Lee-Medford-Enfields (or some such) look a little funny for 1680 but decided to go with them.
Very nice work, how long did the 1:1 take you to paint?
While the vambrace appears to be done in non-metallic metallics I haven't primed it yet. The carbine came already painted.
Nice figures. And nice 1:1 kit.
The wheel lock is very nice - might one be so bold (or even gauche) as to enquire the approx cost of such a piece? I guessing the equivalent of several Pendraken armies!!
Fred, I bought it after some close inspection, disassembly and haggling for $875, forty years ago - my wife was not pleased - she believed (with some justification) that I had overpaid.
As the striker wheel is frozen in its bushing and the drive chain is broken (a common problem) I doubt it has appreciated much in value :(
About 33 ECW army packs (although I would take 10 if the were already painted!) :)
Ta. Not quite as much as I was expecting - though I suppose that is without inflation.
I was trying to think of something to compare - and struggling as 40 years ago I was buying mars bars for 10p ;)
Inflation since '77 knocks the current price to about $3500 US. Ouch.
I should sell muskets not paint mini's :D
yup! As it it sits now I'm in the hole ~ $1600 on this one!
On the other hand painting mini's is a pure value add! :)
At least console yourself with if it was a car, you'd be totally screwed ;)