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Title: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 15 December 2016, 08:14:30 PM
I've started cleaning and doing the necessary conversions for my first Weird WWI army based off the series by Joseph Nassise – "The Great Undead War", the Americans. One of the things mentioned, but only as a mention are 25 foot tall walkers – which is perfect for a Behemoth element in a HotT army.

So, I decided to go about creating one that might have a little bit of an American feel to it, and I want it to be unique as well. I love the Pendraken 10 MM armored vehicles for my HotT armies because most of them fit nicely on the allotted base size (true, HotT does allow deeper bases to fit the model, but I prefer to try and stay at the minimum size).

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1868_zpsjlpoo7qk.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1868_zpsjlpoo7qk.jpg.html)
So, starting with a Pendraken SFH9 model I looked at what my possibilities might be. Yep, remove the top section and replace it with a new one. It actually took a couple of hours to hand cut through the metal to remove the top, but it was worth it.

Then I had to figure out what to use for the top, and since this is to be an American walker I thought I'd best use the White Armored Car body. Sorry, I didn't get a picture before I cut it down (another couple of hours sawing through metal). But I basically removed part of the front section making a cut about 2 MM behind the front fenders. I then removed the rear portion just at the end of the main body.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1869_zpsxykkltou.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1869_zpsxykkltou.jpg.html)
Here you can see the various pieces I will be using, but can also get an idea of the body portion of the White A/C I am using. For fun, I said why not mimic an M3 Lee tank, so I putty filled the original turret hole on the A/C body so it can have a machine gun turret offset on the top (I'm using one of the turrets from ME19 Austin A/C) with a hatch added to the right top area, and a 57 MM gun set on the side like the main gun of an M3 Lee. To do this I then cut and filed a cut back area on the right front side of  the A/C body.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1870_zpsvqemm70e.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1870_zpsvqemm70e.jpg.html)
This is still very much a work in progress, but this picture will start to give you an idea of the planned finished model. You will notice that the original lower body of the walker figure is wider than the new A/C body I will be attaching, but I have plans for fixing that, and hope to show you in the next pictures I take.

One aspect of this model that is going to fun to me is the camouflage color scheme. I found a vintage art picture of an American railway gun that was camouflaged in white, yellow, soft red brown, mid-green and violet, all edged by a black line. By the way, the black edging was not for artistic sake, but was considered a key component of camouflage at the time – it was to help hide the view slits which were weak points. You were supposed to always have the black line go through the area where the view slits were, but I know it wasn't aways done. I also want to say that I like to peg pieces I add when doing this kind of conversion because it helps hold the model together, so I will be that with this one as well.

More to follow,

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: fsn on 15 December 2016, 09:16:12 PM
 m/

Excellent stuff, Sir!

Please keep us abreast of your progress. Needs a big white star or two on it.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Ithoriel on 15 December 2016, 09:32:09 PM
Impressive stuff, looking good so far!

I'll echo fsn in requesting pics of progress.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 15 December 2016, 10:36:18 PM
Thank you Gentlemen,

I will keep posting pictures until it is finished. This being for a World War I army I don't think a white star would be the right marking. I am thinking of maybe a playing card symbol that the Americas used/copied from the French, and maybe an American roundel on the top, but we'll see.

I am having fun with this one,

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Womble67 on 15 December 2016, 11:00:44 PM
Excellent

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 16 December 2016, 12:19:29 AM
Great ideas!
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 16 December 2016, 08:04:13 AM
Great work and a nice bit of info re: the black lines 8)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: fsn on 16 December 2016, 08:08:14 AM
Can I just point out that you're saying no to a star because it's not historically accurate on a 25' tall walker?   :-\
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 16 December 2016, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: fsn on 16 December 2016, 08:08:14 AM
Can I just point out that you're saying no to a star because it's not historically accurate on a 25' tall walker?   :-

You're not a fantasy/sci-fi gamer are you Nobby?  ;)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Luddite on 16 December 2016, 11:57:07 AM
Excellent work!

As for insignia, yeah the star-roundel would look good.

Point of order though - would the Americans have enough time to develop materiel during WWWI?  ;)

Joseph Nassise's "The Great Undead War" has a typically American-centric focus which is very disappointing.  I have no doubt the British Tommies and French "Hairy Ones" (poilus) could handle a few stahlhelmed zombie hordes without the massively inexperienced Doughboys getting involved.   :P
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: toxicpixie on 16 December 2016, 12:42:19 PM
That's a real labour of love!

I think French/British markings are likely the way forwards - a very cursory web search reckons as much.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47211/thread/987154948/US+markings+in+the+Great+War (http://www.network54.com/Forum/47211/thread/987154948/US+markings+in+the+Great+War)

Some nice insignia piccies here though, which could be worked up into markings?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gregkrenzelok/veterinary%20corp%20in%20ww1/WW1%20Army%20Insignia%20Identification.html (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gregkrenzelok/veterinary%20corp%20in%20ww1/WW1%20Army%20Insignia%20Identification.html)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: fsn on 16 December 2016, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 16 December 2016, 11:11:57 AM
You're not a fantasy/sci-fi gamer are you Nobby?  ;)
It's that obvious is it?

Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 16 December 2016, 06:50:00 PM
looks good
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 16 December 2016, 07:06:42 PM
FSN, a very fair observation, i.e.  a walking war machine in WWI. To help explain this let me share my approach to building a HotT army. First I determine the source/theme for/of the army, and in this case it is the books by Nassise. This prevents  an army being created of just super elements, but what ever is derived from the source. Therefore I feel limited pretty much to just what is mentioned or described in the book. After that I defer back to as much historical accuracy as possible for the time period the army is being built.

During WWI the Americans used the roundel similar to the British, french and Russians in Europe, only being red, blue white from the outside in. I have read references to the star in the circle being used at this time too, but most references say it was used only in the US - strange, as I cannot imagine why it wasn't also used in Europe during the war. So for me the star being used would be out of place regardless of my creating a walking machine that really never existed, except on page 124 of "By the Blood of Heroes".

Now this brings me to your question Luddite - did America have enough time to develop material. In this pursuit again using the book as the guide, we are now in the 7th year of the war so  it is taking place in 1921. Add to this that Tesla is often referenced as developing American weapons, and one of the characters, Dr. Graves, is also developing many things - such as robots, single human flying apparatus, and one that is also part of my army - a suitcase gun!

Now the suitcase gun is just way too much fun and I have worked up an acceptable facsimile of it. It is described as starting off with what looked like a Vickers HMG, but with all sorts of belts and glass tubes on it, a hand crank ont he side and a large glass ball where the gun sight would normally be, with the front of the gun sitting on a small tripod. The operator cranked the handle to build up a special kind of electrical charge that only affected dead tissue so was for use against the German zombies. Here's a picture of what I've done for it based on the description.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1873_zpss3mrgds0.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1873_zpss3mrgds0.jpg.html)

Toxic Pixie, that is a couple of good references, thank you for them.

In closing I know it is an America/German focused story, but I will say it is the British infantry who saves their bacon in the end!!! At least we're not taking claim for capturing the enigma machine aboard a German U-Boat!!!!! I even balked at that one.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 16 December 2016, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: fsn on 16 December 2016, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 16 December 2016, 11:11:57 AM
You're not a fantasy/sci-fi gamer are you Nobby?  ;)
It's that obvious is it?

I've had my suspicions for a while  :-\ 

However, not understanding the need to be totally authentic in a fantastic, hypothetical, extrapolateory scenario was the final piece in the puzzle  ;)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: toxicpixie on 16 December 2016, 10:26:34 PM
Pleasure. Terry!

I meant to suggest the rounded & aircraft style stuff but forgot :D
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 17 December 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Just a brief update. Yesterday I finished making the exhaust, the top hatch and a few other attachments for the walker. No pictures to show right now, but am hoping to start assembly today and once it's assembled I'll share a few pictures before I start painting it.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 18 December 2016, 11:59:35 PM
I finished assembling the Walker today after church, and also decided it needed a headlight (can you imagine seeing that big light coming at you from a 25 foot tall walker!!!). So here are a few pictures of the assembled model. I used the same white background as the previous pictures, but it was so dark and overcast today that I had to use internal light - thus the tannish background.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1877_zpsgf4eeslq.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1877_zpsgf4eeslq.jpg.html)

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1878_zpsejclsajv.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1878_zpsejclsajv.jpg.html)

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1879_zpsn2vhzcj5.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1879_zpsn2vhzcj5.jpg.html)

Lastly for now,  here is the source for the camo scheme I am planning to work from – the rail gun at the bottom of the picture.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/US%20WWI%20Camouflage_zpsedb3omr1.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/US%20WWI%20Camouflage_zpsedb3omr1.jpg.html)

More to follow.

Terry

Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 19 December 2016, 12:40:44 AM
Great colour scheme!
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Ithoriel on 19 December 2016, 04:19:49 AM
Looking good so far. Love the proposed colour scheme!

I'm somewhat reminded of the Great Martian War 1913 footage

Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 19 December 2016, 06:01:16 AM
Like it !!  :)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 19 December 2016, 06:47:58 AM
Great work and looking forward to seeing it in all its camo'd glory 8)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 19 December 2016, 10:02:47 AM
that's a cracking looking conversion.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 19 December 2016, 01:33:48 PM
Very impressed with your conversion work, Terry. The two hours of hand-cutting bespeaks a man dedicated to his art. Well done!

I did not follow,however, the "technical" discussions that followed, having exceeded my knowledge base.  :)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: toxicpixie on 19 December 2016, 01:50:46 PM
Looking very nice!

I do agree with d_guy though, and he's willing to do head swaps in 10mm :D
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 19 December 2016, 06:59:46 PM
Thank you all Gentlemen for the kind words. I do enjoy the creative challenges of the hobby.

As for the "technological" aspects, I am sure that if you were a HotT gamer it would make more sense. But to net it out - I like to use a movie and/or a book(s) to create my armies from. So in doing that I am bound by what the source provides. After that I usually fall back on historical if possible. I am assuming this is what you are referring to.

Here's an example that may help. I wanted to do the good army of Glinda of Oz, so I based it upon both the book and the 1939 movie to create it. You can see how I went about it here. And just FYI, in the book Dorothy is only about 4 or 5 years old.

http://fanaticus.org/discussion/showthread.php?t=15751

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 19 December 2016, 07:27:15 PM
Interesting (almost undertook Jack Vance's "The Dragonmasters" - and still might if I can get something for the dragons).
Grew up with the OZ books (with the John R Niell illustrations) and definiately see the attraction 😀
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 19 December 2016, 08:27:07 PM
d Guy,

I am not familiar with the story line but did a quick look and if you'll tell me what scale I might have an extra dragon or probably link you into one. What size do they need to be in addition to their scale?

I've only read "The Wizard of Oz", although I did try to read some of the others - just couldn't get into them like ht first one. I am thinking he wrote something like 15 books in he series.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 19 December 2016, 10:54:53 PM

Thanks,

If I did "The Dragon Masters" it would be in 10mm (almost all I work in at this point). The original story - as a Novella in Galaxy I think - had great line illustrations 0f the "dragons" - actually a degraded star-fairing race of raptor like creatures.

It helps if you are 10 years old when reading the OZ books - an entire series (15 or so seem right). These were my Father's when he was a kid and Niell's illustrations (1920's very stylish, very clever) are worth investigating if you have not seen them (examples adorn the covers of most volumes)

Tic Tok:
(http://www.booksofwondershop.com/images/products/detail/101490.dd.jpg)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 20 December 2016, 12:41:20 AM
d Guy,

If you are only needing one dragon, I may have a 15 MM one that might work for you - after all dragons were quite big! let me sort through my extras and see what I've got and I'll snap some picks for you.  if one would work I'm more than happy to send it on to you.

I am not familiar with the artist for oz that you reference. I went with the ones from Denslow, which you can see some of here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wizard+of+oz+art+pictures&rlz=1C1AOHY_enUS708US708&espv=2&biw=1365&bih=868&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz7JGrw4HRAhWk6oMKHYXuAjgQsAQIMA#tbm=isch&q=wizard+of+oz+denslow+illustartions

I have been fortunate enough to pick up several of the original pages of the art work, which I suspect were cut from a book, but not sure. They are very nice though.

Let me know about the dragon,

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 20 December 2016, 01:37:31 AM
Hi Terry,
The essence of Dragonmasters (relative to the wargaming possibilities) pits warlords against each other using a combination of human and "dragon" (called basics, intelligent to semi intelligent reptilothings) armies (several hundred warriors total). The issue is that there are several different types of dragons ranging in size and shape) I will keep your offer in mind should I go for forward with the project - thank you.

Incidently I have experimented with Pendraken space aliens (reptiles) and there are some possibilities.
Here is one rendition of a few of the dragon types:

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1537330.jpg)

As to OZ -Denslow is the artist on the first book (therefore) the most famous, Neill did the rest.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 20 December 2016, 04:09:38 AM
Hello d_guy

For dragons I find the Safari Lucky Minis to be handy for 10mm fantasy

https://www.safariltd.com/good-luck-minis-toys/ (https://www.safariltd.com/good-luck-minis-toys/)

They're all about an inch/25mm high. The material is a bit soft but workable.

(https://www.safariltd.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/454x454/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/4/340722-Dragons.jpg)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 20 December 2016, 04:33:22 AM
Grumpy,
Those are - unfortunately - wonderful! 😀
Thank you!

Well, Terry, i may have schedule doing  this now
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 20 December 2016, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: Terry37 on 19 December 2016, 06:59:46 PM
Here's an example that may help. I wanted to do the good army of Glinda of Oz, so I based it upon both the book and the 1939 movie to create it. You can see how I went about it here. And just FYI, in the book Dorothy is only about 4 or 5 years old.

http://fanaticus.org/discussion/showthread.php?t=15751

Oh, wow! Those are both brilliant and beautiful. Excellent set of posts and finished work  =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 20 December 2016, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: d_Guy on 20 December 2016, 01:37:31 AM
Hi Terry,
The essence of Dragonmasters (relative to the wargaming possibilities) pits warlords against each other using a combination of human and "dragon" (called basics, intelligent to semi intelligent reptilothings) armies (several hundred warriors total). The issue is that there are several different types of dragons ranging in size and shape) I will keep your offer in mind should I go for forward with the project - thank you.

Incidently I have experimented with Pendraken space aliens (reptiles) and there are some possibilities.
Here is one rendition of a few of the dragon types:

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1537330.jpg)

As to OZ -Denslow is the artist on the first book (therefore) the most famous, Neill did the rest.

I remember that illustration from Best of White Dwarf Scenarions (Volume 1)  :o  :D

If you want to stick with Official Pendraken GoodnessTM, you'll need these 'Things'  ;)
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l602/Meirion_Hopkins/10mm%20Minis/Work%20in%20progress/P1020400.jpg)

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l602/Meirion_Hopkins/10mm%20Minis/Work%20in%20progress/P1020398.jpg)

Cheers!

Meirion
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 20 December 2016, 02:13:08 PM
Clearly the task becomes more feasible! Thanks Meirion.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 20 December 2016, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 20 December 2016, 02:13:08 PM
Clearly the task becomes more feasible! Thanks Meirion.

You're welcome.  They're not in the catalogue, but if you ask Leon he'll be able to sort you some out  ;)

Just had a moment of inspiration and managed to find the thread where I first heard about them! http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1551.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1551.0.html)

There's a picture of them being used to haul a cart which will give you an idea of scale:
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/PEN/Chartwithdodosb.jpg)

If you're not familiar with the Pendraken fantasy stuff, be aware that it is sculpted closer to 12mm than true 10mm, so those Amazons/Barbarians are hefty lasses and lads!  ;)

The head is modelled onto the torso or the older lizardmen mounts (not the newer, raptor-riding ones)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2708/4441664480_f37086123e_b.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/7LuG75)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 21 December 2016, 02:42:18 AM
The Packard walker and the rest of the army are primed and undercoats painted on. Tomorrow I hope to start the actual base coats. Not really much to see right now so no pictures, but just wanted to give an update.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 21 December 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Looking forward to seeing some shots, Terry.  :)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 21 December 2016, 08:15:53 AM
Yep, looking forward to pics of it painted.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: d_Guy on 21 December 2016, 05:26:27 PM
Terry, despite the unintended "thread-hack", I too look forward to seeing the results of your painting.  :)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 21 December 2016, 09:47:23 PM
d Guy, Not to worry, as I found it interesting and am always looking for good subjects for HotT armies.

Re the walker, I have finished the first cut today at the base coats of the camo, and share this picture with you.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1883_zpsqxylaokv.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1883_zpsqxylaokv.jpg.html)

Keep in mind this is just a first blush effort and I am sure it will change some before it's finished. Once I finalize the camo color areas I'll work on the black outline, which will be a challenge in several places. However, it won't really take shape until the wash is applied and the highlights and details painted in. But at least for now you can get an idea of what it will be looking like.

More to follow,

Terry

Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 22 December 2016, 06:36:26 AM
That looks great Terry and really breaks up the shape of the walker unit. Looking forward to the black lining and details etc.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: toxicpixie on 22 December 2016, 09:23:35 AM
That looks surprisingly effective camo!

Now, pop the roundels on so I've got something to aim for, please ;)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 22 December 2016, 09:46:38 AM
really interested to see how this turns out  :-bd
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Ithoriel on 22 December 2016, 10:20:00 AM
Looking good, cammo scheme works really well.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 24 December 2016, 02:55:01 AM
Just a little verbal update, and I hope to have a picture tomorrow. Today I finished the first cut at the black outlining, and as I was expecting, it took more than a few hours of painting black lines and touching up, and painting black lines, etc. etc. etc. But it is looking good and so far I am quite pleased with the results.

In addition, I have been working on a Pendraken Renault FT17 to also go with the army and the base coats on the camo scheme on it are finished as well, so I'll include a picture of it too. The scheme is a unique one with four colors from hew book on French armor camouflage - dark olive green, light green, reddish brown and sand. This scheme from the source is not outlined in black or I would be doing it as well. So actually I think it is closer to being ready for a wash and the highlights and details done than the walker.

But please understand, both models are very much still works in progress.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 24 December 2016, 08:21:53 PM
It's a rainy, cold, dark, overcast day here so I had to use artificial lighting to take this picture, but it will still give an idea of how the walker is looking with the black edging done.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1886_zpsq7iiuwtv.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1886_zpsq7iiuwtv.jpg.html)

I also included the little Renault FT17 with the cast turret that I started working on yesterday. please understand that both tanks are still very much works in progress.
More to follow soon,

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 24 December 2016, 09:04:50 PM
they look good though  :-bd
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 24 December 2016, 09:36:59 PM
Look damn fine to me 8)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 24 December 2016, 10:39:49 PM
Great job there.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 December 2016, 11:45:11 PM
Looking good, although I must say I prefer the Renault!
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Ithoriel on 25 December 2016, 12:48:07 AM
I like them both but the walker is particularly splendid, IMHO!
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 25 December 2016, 08:47:15 AM
Looking very good.......Hope we'll see it in 'better light', soon ! ;)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 26 December 2016, 03:42:15 AM
Gentlemen, first off, thank you for all of your very kind comments. I am having a very enjoyable time working on this army, and especially the walker element for it. No work done on the model today, but I thought I might share a few insights on it.

The white, although it looks very white in the photos, is an off white hobby store paint called "oyster white". When ever possible I use an off white so I can later go back and highlight with a pure white.

The same for black. It is really another hobby paint called "charcoal", which does give a nice softer black appearance. Then again I can go back with pure black for shadows and use a medium-gray to medium-dark-gray for highlights. I seldom use a pure white or black.

Since I only had a side view of the railroad gun to work from my goal was to try and have all five colors of the camo showing on each plane - front, back and sides. The green dominates on the sides, the brown and violet on the front and back.

When I do shadows and highlights by hand I use very, very thin washes and darken or lighten as fits the location/area being done. I also use Vallejo washes which I mix various ones to achieve a color I like.  I'm still deciding about how to go about that on the walker, but also expect I will use a thin wash and then have to go back and really highlight the base colors so as not to loose the look which I really like.

The walker is very close to being finished with only the machine gun being painted olive drab to represent a US Army Browning, the forward light silver or metallic blue and the exhaust pipe progressive shades of burnt-orange and red brown. Once done I'll paint the washes, which since I use an extender to allow the inks to really settle in the deeper recesses requires an overnight drying time. Then I paint any shadows that still need doing and all of the highlights. I will also paint the base the color for the base coat of the basing, and then hit it with a couple coats of clear for protection.

However, I won't actually sculpt the base for it until the entire army is done so I can achieve a constant look for the army.

OK, guess that it, just a few steps I go through.More to follow,

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: fred. on 26 December 2016, 08:44:47 AM
Looking good - have you tried using a pen for the black lining? I've had some success with this, but it can snuggle with the undulations of the model.

I like the FT17, the addition of the light green, changes the look quite a lot from the more typically seen 3 colour camo.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 27 December 2016, 10:11:45 PM
OK, the painting is done on both the walker and the FT17, so here are a few pictures to share them with you. I'll spray them probably later tonight to protect the paint work in play, and glue them to their bases (I use Litko-Arrow 3 MM plywood bases, which I like as it gives me a base deep enough to pick up with out having to over handle the figure). I will not do anything further to either model however until the rest of the army is painted so I can do all the bases at one time. I do keep records of paints used for all figures and basing I do so if I ever have to go back I can match the color, but still prefer doing all the bases for an army at one time for consistency sake.

I am also probably going to add playing card emblems to both or at least to the  walker, but that would be done after the first clear coat, semi-gloss, is done. That way the carrier film on the decal will not show when I spray the matte coat of clear.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1890_zps5hgsn3ho.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1890_zps5hgsn3ho.jpg.html)

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1891_zpslyrqpft4.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1891_zpslyrqpft4.jpg.html)

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1892_zpsxvulamof.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1892_zpsxvulamof.jpg.html)

Also, for those interested, here is the source for the 4 color scheme on the Renault FT17.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/FT%2017%20Camo%20Scheme%201_zpswvq6xict.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/FT%2017%20Camo%20Scheme%201_zpswvq6xict.jpg.html)

I'll be back to this thread when the basing is done.

Terry

Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 27 December 2016, 10:24:26 PM
Those look excellent
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Womble67 on 27 December 2016, 11:43:04 PM
Very nice indeed

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 28 December 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Thanks Guys, I am really pleased with how they have turned out. I will say that a lot of the "too bold" highlights will soften when the clear coats area applied. Took a while to catch on to that and then to account for it in my painting. I will probably post another picture shortly after I've applied the decals and final matte coat.

Terry

Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Sandinista on 28 December 2016, 02:48:53 AM
Brilliant, well done! I am most impressed

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 28 December 2016, 06:37:33 AM
Terrific work, Terry. 8)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 28 December 2016, 01:59:10 PM
Brilliant work 8)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 28 December 2016, 02:27:00 PM
 :-bd :-bd :-bd
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 11 January 2017, 06:01:36 PM
Jut a brief update here. I have ordered some custom decals for the walker and until they arrive it cannot proceed further. Once they get here I'll apply them and then share new pictures.

More soon,

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 11 January 2017, 07:58:54 PM
Looking forward to that, Terry  :)

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 20 January 2017, 08:51:05 PM
I have received the custom decals, and am very pleased with the quality of the decals, and the cost involved. They have been applied to the walker and except for sculpting the base it is finished. The custom deal on it are the armor insignia in the color arrangement when it was first implemented.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1899_zpsw6k3xv32.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1899_zpsw6k3xv32.jpg.html)

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1900_zpsfqbvnk8y.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1900_zpsfqbvnk8y.jpg.html)

I'll come back to this thread when the base is done to show the completed element.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 20 January 2017, 09:00:24 PM
Excellent work and look forward to seeing it based up.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 21 January 2017, 12:19:10 AM
Superb  8)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 21 January 2017, 04:41:32 PM
Like that !  :)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Roy on 21 January 2017, 08:08:57 PM
That's a great conversion and paint job.  :-bd
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Terry37 on 22 February 2017, 09:08:49 PM
OK, the Walker element is finished and you can see it below.  A really fun little project.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1965_zpsiw5sox3e.jpg) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Weird%20World%20War/IMG_1965_zpsiw5sox3e.jpg.html)

You can see the rest of the army under the "Non-Pendraken" section.

Terry
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Steve J on 22 February 2017, 09:12:12 PM
Great to see it finished in all it's glory 8)
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Womble67 on 22 February 2017, 10:20:33 PM
Very nice indeed

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 22 February 2017, 11:23:24 PM
Looks great
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: Techno on 23 February 2017, 07:29:26 AM
+1

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 23 February 2017, 12:10:56 PM
Very nice  :-bd
Title: Re: Creating a Packard Mk I Walker
Post by: DFlynSqrl on 23 February 2017, 02:13:34 PM
Very cool