...Right, here's some Ancient Greeks ;D
Do I win anything for my title? No. Humph!
The Old Guard Wargames Group (one of the many variations of the name we use. I've used a few myself!) has decided to venture into 10mil gaming next year. The American Civil War specifically. But my money is on it being forgotten about after the very first game and most group members drifting away... X_X
So, I've decided to (basically) go it alone. The group might (TBC) be using Regimental Fire & Fury, but I wont - mainly as the cost is far too much for my liking! I'm going to be using They Couldn't Hit An Elephant rules by the TooFatLardies - because it cost me far less to buy than the other rules set. Tightwad, moi? I'd rather spend the saved £25 on Pendraken toy soldiers ... And so would Pendraken! =O
First bit of WIP.
My take on these guys: - 21st Virginia Volunteer Infantry Regiment; Company B being known as the Maryland Guard and recruited among Southern sympathisers in the border state (I painted them in their pre-War 53rd Maryland Regiment trousers and Kepi caps). If I've got my factual information wrong, it isn't too much of a concern to me. As long as they perform well in table top battles and don't run away, I'm happy :)
Bases are 25mm x 20mm. 8 figs to a base. I felt like pushing the boat out and painting a 'large' regiment. Varnishing and flags still to do, then basing (on some new bases). I would have liked to have entered the finished unit in the 2017 Painting Competition, but we all know what sunk that plan! :'(
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I've got a scenario that I want to collect for, to help learn the rules. Its the St. Ulrich one from the Honours of War 7YW rules book. The CSA being the Red Force.
Cheers for looking.
Good stuff!!
Lovely work Roy 8)
8)
Cheers - Phil
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Yes, lovely looking figures.
Nice figures Roy and I doubt the ACW project will die with 6 of us spending best part f £300 on Pendraken figures, the main problem will be rules. I would prefer to use Black Powder as I already have them and the ACW supplement.
Nice stuff
Terrific paint job, Roy. Nicely photographed too. Good choice of figures also. After viewing Slimreidy's recent AAR, I revisited the Pendraken website to look at the ACW range again. Its a nice range and one I would have probably gone for if it had come out sooner. Look forward to seeing some action of the group's ACW games in future!
:-bd
p.s. As for rules, Black Powder, FoB2 and TCHAE would all get my vote plus it might be worthwhile for everyone to hold back on choice of rules to see how the new Pickett's Charge rules pan out.
Certainly the above basing will work with F&F, FOB2, BP and the hefalump rules so I don't get that there is an issue. TBH I have found FOB2 and BP to be a lot more fun and a lot less complex than RF&F.
Thanks everyone. I enjoyed painting them.
All looking awesome, keep up the good work!
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
This chap has given Pickett's Charge a run through on his blog and he likes them - he tries out a lot of rules, so he is in a good position to compare systems.
LINK http://sgtsteiner.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/picketts-charge-multi-player-bash.html
Looking very good!
TCHAE are a great set of rules and give a good game, but need perseverance. Like many of the older Lardies rulesets, they can be confusing at first but once you get the hang of it they are fun.
We have also found Black Powder good for the ACW. The fluid movement seems OK for this period in a way that seems odd for things like Napoleonics.
I found the same with the SYW. For me BP didn't work too well for that period whereas it was a great success with the ACW.
Thanks for the tips. One of the other chaps in the group has ordered Pickett's Charge, and I'm familiar with GdB and Kriegskunst so unless the ACW rules are very different I should understand them well enough.
Bodvoc has Black Powder and Glory Hallelujah, so I'm sure they'll be given a try at some point.
I've made this diagram chart -thingy, to help me plan what I need to paint and in what numbers. It should be understandable to other viewers?
So far I've painted x1 Infantry Regiment, the Commanding Officer on horseback, and am working on the dismounted Mounted Infantry at the moment. [just realised that the Mounted Infantry Regiment is stating the incorrect number of men - it should be two companies strength, whatever that number likely was in a Volunteer unit?]
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Nice looking, Roy. Good figure mix,
Looking to be off to a good start.
Had a look at that blog and my first thought was that a Pickett's Charge game leads to a very messy table.
Progress as of 16th December - two weeks into the project, the 'will it survive past the initial boost of enthusiasm' period.
Productivity has been less this week, mainly due to a need to watch dvds before the terms of sale period elapses (Star Trek Enterprise for those interested) and a flare up of my stupid Irritable Bowel Syndrome - a great start to my birthday that was, sleeping on a sofa within rushing distance of the downstairs bog (actually it wasn't what you'll be thinking, thankfully). Still, any painting finished is a step nearer to completion, so its all good.
Even realised that photographing 10mm from a distance makes the paint job look better than when photographing up close ... Or is that just me?
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I agree, take photo at range, then zoom in!
Great work, hope your feeling better.
:-bd =D> :-bd
Hope you feel better soon
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Very nice Roy.
Right. I'll get back to working on my 10mm ACW now. A fortnight painting other stuff, but now I want the artillery battery, the mounted infantry, a supply wagon thingy, and the second infantry unit painted before month's end.
There I've said it. Made myself a deadline. Who wants to bet I end up painting something entirely different?! :'(
Nice work, Roy.
Cheers - Phil.
Looking good :)
Thank you.
Some progress made. I took out of the bags the artillery battery / limber models & figures, also the supply wagon bits. And then didn't do anything else ;D
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CSA bits as it stands, now.
Hoping to get the rest of the figures for the 4-base unit painted before Sunday night. It's going to be a grey-clad uniform unit, firing line with gaps from battle losses, with only the one flag.
Then the artillery and limber after that. Then I'll have to think about basing them.
Got enough metal for another four 5-base infantry units, and half of what I want for my cavalry / raiders - cum - mounted infantry. I've also a couple of 6mm Baccus buildings to paint and see what they look like against the 10mm figures.
:)
Looking damn fine, Roy ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Looking very good Roy.
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 18 January 2017, 06:21:17 PM
I've also a couple of 6mm Baccus buildings to paint and see what they look like against the 10mm figures.
Wendy houses :D
Very nice indeed one of my favourite periods
Take care
Andy
Sunjester and I came up with a rework of the firing rules, as they are a bit all over the place, an if you set up right you can be impossible to hit
I'll see if I can find them
In the meantime the cards I made
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/albums/72157637637258765 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/albums/72157637637258765)
Good looking cards :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
exceptional cards.
In other albums are my KSS Me Hardy cards, and the ones I'm most proud of examples of IABSM. Made on a Magic CCG editor. I enjoy doing that sort of support stuff- QRS, points calculators etc.
Very impressive :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
I also enjoy preparing the support stuff, mine are nowhere near your level of graphic quality
Why is there one lone pikeman? ;)
Like the cards. I dined in the Cozy Club in Liverpool last night. They offer "the colonel", "the brigadier" and "the major general" on the menu. Each illustrated by a ACW figure. Pretty sure the Major General is Stonewall Jackson - but I may have to take these cards to try and identify the others.
Looks tasty!
http://cosyclub.co.uk/menus/
Thanks everyone (+ for the cards link)
Spotted that the 6 infantry figures weren't actually finished, as they were missing the blue on collar and cuffs. Spot of paint later and they're now, definitely, finished.
Hopefully I'll have the unit painted by the end of the weekend.
Looking great, Roy! :-bd
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 18 January 2017, 06:21:17 PM
I've also a couple of 6mm Baccus buildings to paint and see what they look like against the 10mm figures.
Happy to send you pictures of my own 6mm buildings with 10mm Pendraken miniatures if you wish (PM me with your e-mail address).
Quote from: Last Hussar on 19 January 2017, 02:57:33 AM
... cards ... Made on a Magic CCG editor.
Like the cards, too. How would I get hold of Magic CCG editor? Ta.
I have really enjoyed this thread because my local friend and gamer, David Crenshaw, and I are doing some 10 MM ACW armies for a much excited visit from friend Pete Duckworth of Coventry. When I was there Pete took me to three battlefields where we re-fought the battles (Bosworth, Naseby and Edgehill), so David and I are going to do the same for Pete with the Battle of Stones River, here in my city.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stones_River
Your work has been very inspirational, and the figures look truly great!
Thanks!
Terry
Many thanks for the link to the cards LH. I have downloaded a set.
Thanks everyone
Quote from: Westmarcher on 19 January 2017, 09:43:07 AM
Happy to send you pictures of my own 6mm buildings with 10mm Pendraken miniatures if you wish (PM me with your e-mail address).
Thanks for the offer Westmarcher, very much appreciated, but it isn't necessary. As it happens I've used 6mm buildings in the past with Pendraken's WW2, when I used to play BKC 1st ed., so I'm happy with using the smaller buildings. The group has to decide what they want to go with - 6mm or 10mm buildings when the toys get brought together for a big game - and as I bought some 6mm from Baccus, after speaking to Leman at the York show last year, I've said I'll paint mine up and then they can be compared with what Bodvoc has in 10mm at a future club meet.
Thanks again. :)
This is what I make the cards on
http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/
Thanks again LH.
You're welcome.
Right - found the revised fire results table.
Basically because of the way shooting is worded I reworked it to make it so you can hit multiple targets- in some circumstances if you had a unit next to a unit in cover you wouldn't be able to hit either because of the need to target both, and when firing at a continuous line it wasn't clear how you inflicted casualties. I also worked in some mods from the rules into the table itself so they didn't get forgotten, but it should be exactly the same overall to hit number in these cases.
How the new firing rules work.
You declare targets. You MUST fire at any unit within 'flank lines' - ie the area formed by extending the edges of the firing unit directly forward. You MAY fire at anyone within the arc given in the rules.
Roll and modify dice as per the rules (but with new mods table) - note this total.
You first hit the unit that has the lowest to hit score. Give that unit a hit, subtract the To Hit Score from the total. Hit the unit with the next Lowest too hit score. Subtract from running total.
Keep going until the remaining score is less than the Hit target of the next unit in sequence.
If you hit all targets, go back to the first target and repeat.
Where two targets have the same to hit score hit the most obvious one - closest/most central/biggest threat/etc - you should both be able to agree this.
Example Targets have To Hit Values of 4, 4 and 5
You roll 9
Apply this to the lowest target (4), as there are two, the closets etc one. First target is hit. Running score is now 9-4=5.
Next target is also a 4 It takes a hit. Running total is now 5-4=1.
Next target is a 5. 1 isn't enough to inflict a hit. Firing ends there
Fire at these three targets - 4, 4, 5. and score 17
Hit on first '4'. Leaving 13
Hit on Second '4', leaving 9
Hit on the '5', leaving 4
No more targets, but 4 left over, so start again with the first unit. Just enough on that to inflict a second hit.
+1 Veterans Firing -1 Raw Firers
Target is Raw Troops Fightin' Firer
Superior Weapons Target in Soft Cover
Marksmen Firing Light Smooth Bore Firer
Second Rate artillery at over close range
+2 Repeating Weapons Second Rate small arms firing
Target S' bore Artillery Rifled Artillery Effective Artillery Extreme Artillery Infantry
Line 4 6 7 8 5
Line "Fightin' " 5 7 8 9 6
Line in Hard Cover 7 8 10 12 8
Line Enfiladed or March Column 3 4 5 7 4
Deployed Artillery 6 8 9 11 8
Deployed Artillery in Hard Cover 8 9 11 14 10
Limbered Artillery 3 4 5 7 4
Skirmishers 7 8 10 12 8
Prone Skirmishers 10 10 12 15 12 |
Sorry - I can't work out how to format tables here!
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The bases might get finished someday ;D
Very nice old bean
Good work Roy, you are getting some lovely bright pictures!
Does the squatting guy have a beard, or a very big chin?
Very nice, Roy. :)
Cheers - Phil
Nice going, Roy. :-bd
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Lovely looking unit in western theatre depot jackets. Makes a nice change to see that,
Thanks everyone.
Quote from: fred. on 22 January 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Does the squatting guy have a beard, or a very big chin?
Several of the sculpts have, either, moustaches or beards, I believe. I just don't paint them, that's all. :-[
These have been useful: (first link is Womble's blog) :-bd
http://www.10mm-wargaming.com/2015/01/painting-american-civil-war-confederates.html (http://www.10mm-wargaming.com/2015/01/painting-american-civil-war-confederates.html)
http://authentic-campaigner.com/articles/walden/cd%20jacket%20pages/cdjacket.htm (http://authentic-campaigner.com/articles/walden/cd%20jacket%20pages/cdjacket.htm)
http://adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/basics-of-confederate-uniforms.html (http://adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/basics-of-confederate-uniforms.html)
An alternative for making your own cards is ARTSCOW. Once you get used to the interface its fine and the quality is excellent.
Yep, several of our club members have used ARTSCOW for participation game cards.
'Scuse me for askin', wot waz da obvious? ???
Them being 10mm. And Pendraken sculpts. This being in a Pendraken bit of the forum.
I was in a 'funny' frame of mind when I started this thread. Least said, soonest mended.
Oh, that! Thought I had missed something! ;D
I use Artscow to print the cards. Design them in MSE, then upload the jpegs
26th February 2017: Project slowed down due to club(s) commitments and real life.
Plus painting Cowboys, learning rules and playing 28mm, playing Star Wars X-Wing
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I'm going to increase the amount of bases to the above (painted) infantry units - 7 bases & 5 bases
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Looking really good Roy. Will really look spectacular when the flags appear.
Looking awesome so far!
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Very nnice indeed
Take care
Andy
Mighty fine sir!
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 26 February 2017, 08:03:21 PM
26th February 2017: Project slowed down due to club(s) commitments and real life.
OK. Let you off. This time. But you'll have to cut down on this 28mm and Star Wars stuff. OK?*
[p.s. Good work by the way, fella! :-bd ]
* says he who has not been posting much lately either. :-[
Look really good, Roy. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Very nice :)
Looking god Roy =D> =D> =D>
Look really great!
I am working on my first 4 elements of Pendraken ACW figures, and am amazed at the detail in such a small figure. I am doing the SC Zouaves, Louisiana Rifles for the south, and the 22nd New York Militia and Berdan Sharpshooters for the north.
Terry
Thanks everyone
Terry37 - Very nice. Lots of greys and browns for me, so far, but maybe one day I'll progress to the bright colour in cloth units 8)
When I was a young lad, moons and moons ago, most of my Confederates had light blue trousers. Since those long lost Airfix days I have learnt many things about Confederate uniforms, namely - light blue trousers became very unpopular as the war progressed owing to friendly fire incidents; when union trousers were acquired they tended to be dyed as soon as possible; butternut was an early war make do with grey becoming more usual as the war progressed; in the second half of the war many eastern theatre troops acquired dark bluegrey uniforms made in Ireland; western troops were more likely to have branch colour collars and cuffs than eastern troops; the various shades of home produced grey dye tended to oxidise relatively quickly so that some uniforms took on a greyish brown drab appearance. I would highly recommend Fred Adolphus' three articles on Confederate clothing in ACW Gamer, issues 6,7 and 8.