D_guy's Cavacade of Whimsey
Not sure this is the right place for this but seems the closest. At the outset I freely admit that what I do may not rise to level of being called painting. I was, however, engaged and then inspired by Orc's thoughtful thread on whither goest wargaming shows:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,15181.0/topicseen.html
I came to realize that this forum is pretty much the wargaming show proxy for me and most of my social outlet in the hobby. I shall "endeavor to persevere" to occasionally present my work here.
I have several categories of work in mind:
The "not exactly wargaming but very similar" category
The "boardgames to tabletop"category
The "tireless Leon and his minions" category
The "experimental, why would I ever do it" category
The "completely and utterly stalled" category
The "it is sitting right there in front of me" category
Likely these are not mutually exclusive.
So...Gentlemen and theoretical Ladies, my first entry in the "it is sitting right there in front of me" category:
I have started work on Monmouth's 1685 Sedgemoor army. It is going to be an all Pendraken army (for Baroque, naturally) with lots of head and weapon swaps for interest and variety. So far there is the Blue Regiment:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/monmouths-blue-regiment.jpg?w=800)
The Red Regiment:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/monmouths-red-regiment.jpg?w=800)
Some Scythes modified to pitch forks:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/monmouth-pitchforks.jpg?w=800)
I plan to add one each to the coming White, Green and Yellow Regiments in place of one of the scythemen
NB If this posts it may mean the database issue is fixed :)
Very nice D!
Seen worse
IanS
I think those look really good, Guy. 8)
Cheers - Phil
I like those. I don't think they'd win the 2017 painting competition but .... that's because it's not being held :D
Nothing wrong with these at all! Great stuff!! =D>
Very nice!!
Good stuff. I like the conversions you have done. I'm always too impatient to do this.
I think your thrord unit might be a touch understrength though.
Thanks all! :)
Quote from: fred. on 06 December 2016, 06:17:31 PM
I think your thrord unit might be a touch understrength though.
;D
They're farmboys - they move really fast. :)
:-bd =D> :-bd
Nice work! You're not just a ... a ... a .... are you?
Tell me about head swaps. When I do them then if the figure sneezes, his head falls off.
Lovely work 8)
Again - thanks everyone for your kind comments
@Fred
I don't have lots of patience for conversions either - but marginally better at it then the actual painting.
I wanted Monmouth's forces to be as varied as possible so forcing myself to take the extra time.
Quote from: fsn on 06 December 2016, 07:52:05 PM
Nice work! You're not just a ... a ... a .... are you?
Yes...Yes...No! Not altogether. :)
Quote from: fsn on 06 December 2016, 07:52:05 PM
Tell me about head swaps. When I do them then if the figure sneezes, his head falls off.
Besides the antihistamines I do this:
1. Usually do a light black wash so I can easily see the details (most of the LoA figures are already very sharp in detail)
2. Immobilize the head and shoulders in a small wad of silly putty stuck to the cutting board. This allows a very precise cut to be made and releases the figure (and head) without residue PLUS the head doesn't fly off into worlds unknown.
3. This might be counter intuitive but I use a half inch xacto chisel blade to make cuts.
4.Immobilize the headless figure in silly putty (standing up this time) then add a very small amount of liquid superglue to the neck.
5.Fit the head. I use my fingers (rather than tweezers). Sometimes the head ends up attached to your fingers - pry off and start over.
6.The critical step - after 1 minute - using a wooden toothpick - work very small amounts of superglue gel into the join and slightly above and below. Let sit overnight.
Have done this on about fifty 10mm figures over the last couple years and have not lost a head - since I started working the gel into the join.
I have tried to use gel only - that is the road to frustration.
Very nice, have the pikes been replaced with wire?
Quote from: Norm on 06 December 2016, 11:01:00 PM
Very nice, have the pikes been replaced with wire?
Thanks Norm.
The LoA figures are cast without pikes, so yes, they are added.
I use 1/32" brass rod cut 1.5" length with one end flattened to create a leafpoint.
I wanted a greater variety of figures so I have also used some scythe men and cut off the top portion - drilled a socket (Dremel Microdrill) in to the hand and glued in an appropriate length of rod. (Have also replaced the whole scythe but this last procedure is way simpler).
I have started working on the third (White) regiment and taking pictures of how I do the conversions - continue to learn as I go. :)
Sounds like a incredible amount of patience to be doing all those heads and weapon swaps. They look sharp!
Don't stop!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 December 2016, 05:30:08 AM
Don't stop!
Should that read:
Don't! Stop!
Impressive (if slightly bonkers) amount of conversion work.
:)
Only two more regiments to convert - so far averaging about eight conversions per regiment of thirty-two.
A substantial portion of the horse on both sides in the Sedgemoor campaign seems to have worn the old style English three-bar pot helmet.
The LoA range uses the slightly fluted pot helm (they are on the way but have not seen them in person yet). Likely I am NOT going to swap heads from ECW or green stuff out the fluting.
I am contracting out the painting of James' army to a member of this forum - so I can concentrate on the rebels.
Incidently, I do plan to do the Scottish portion of the government army at Killiecranckie - and they are, apparently all going to need bonnets.
That will be a bunch of work!
Side note on the helmeted cuirassiers, they can work for English horse at Sedgemoor, but they are intended for Imperial and Bavarian heavy horse, which is why the helmets are are slightly different. While they are a little different I would happily use them for all types.
Thanks clibinarian! I believe I will take your advice.
The fine line between, "don't stop" and "Don't! Stop!", often needs outside intervention to establish. :)
Quote from: d_Guy on 06 December 2016, 10:37:39 PM
Again - thanks everyone for your kind comments
@Fred
I don't have lots of patience for conversions either - but marginally better at it then the actual painting.
I wanted Monmouth's forces to be as varied as possible so forcing myself to take the extra time.
Yes...Yes...No! Not altogether. :)
Besides the antihistamines I do this:
1. Usually do a light black wash so I can easily see the details (most of the LoA figures are already very sharp in detail)
2. Immobilize the head and shoulders in a small wad of silly putty stuck to the cutting board. This allows a very precise cut to be made and releases the figure (and head) without residue PLUS the head doesn't fly off into worlds unknown.
3. This might be counter intuitive but I use a half inch xacto chisel blade to make cuts.
4.Immobilize the headless figure in silly putty (standing up this time) then add a very small amount of liquid superglue to the neck.
5.Fit the head. I use my fingers (rather than tweezers). Sometimes the head ends up attached to your fingers - pry off and start over.
6.The critical step - after 1 minute - using a wooden toothpick - work very small amounts of superglue gel into the join and slightly above and below. Let sit overnight.
Have done this on about fifty 10mm figures over the last couple years and have not lost a head - since I started working the gel into the join.
I have tried to use gel only - that is the road to frustration.
Interesting. I've often had the Head flies off to worlds unknown problem. I'll have to try embedding things in putty.
Very good work on those regiments. I particularly like the red regiment and the way it is based with the small clumps of flowers. I've only tried head swaps once, when I produced some dismounted 1870 French dragoons. It worked well but is incredibly fiddly.l
Thanks Leman. Yes it is fiddly - but for some reason it's easier for me than painting the dang things. e.g. When I try painting trim it turns into one of those deals like shortening the legs of a chair - never ending!
Looking good, DG1. :-bd
Only ever tried a head swop once in 10mm - not a success ~X( - but might be tempted to try again using your 'working the gel into the join' method.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 08 December 2016, 10:18:31 AM
Only ever tried a head swop once in 10mm - not a success ~X( - but might be tempted to try again using your 'working the gel into the join' method.
Westie.....Even we 'professionals' =O =O =O =O =O find head swaps, a
right pain in the posterior.....and we have to pin them so they'll (hopefully) be alright when being squished.
I'm pretty sure Clib does quite a
few head swaps......Need to ask him how he does that.
In some cases I've found it quicker to sculpt a whole new head.
It's got easier..the more I've done....But it's definitely NOT one of my favourite jobs, even with the Dremel and a 0.5mm drill bit.....It IS fiddly !
Cheers - Phil
Phil, I seriously doubt that my end product would survive the process of making a mold, but so far survives the process of taking their stands out of the storage box and moving them around on the table. :)
Also - some of mine occasionally have a slightly lopsided head* - as we say "close 'nuff fer gov'ment work" - would offend a professional, however. :)
* I make up stories for each - "He' s checking to see if is fly is done up" or "He studying the circling buzzards" or even "He's talking to his friend in the rear rank" - and such like!
After yet another major re-basing of my ECW period stuff I had many drummers and officers left over. This provided an opportunity to replace many of the plastic cubes I had been using with Baroque with less intrusive ones:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/baroque-status-markers.jpg?w=800)
Officer/drummer for "Disordered", drummer for "Reacted" and a rock pile for "First Use".
d_guy's Cavalcade of Whimsey
This can be placed in the "Leon and his tireless minions category"
I wanted a more flexible way to build units for Baroque using my existing 1"x 1" stands of figures while also improving their look on the table. I decided to use magnetic move trays were the figures, dice frames, and some scenery elements could be assembled in many combinations. This also gave me the opportunity of moving to a close approximation of the base size ranges suggested in Baroque.
Magnetic film was added to all my figure stands (well over 600 now) and Leon custom cut for me (in inch dimensions) a bunch of MDF bases which also got covered in magnetic film when they arrived. If interested the notes on those procedures are covered here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2016/11/29/another-redo/
The bulk of the new trays are 5" x 1.5" and are used by most foot and horse units.
The example below shows how musket and pike units can be assembled to give a visual representation of historic size:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/single-stand-formed-foot.jpg?w=850)
5" x 2.5" trays are used for "massed" units. The examples below (R to L) are an Irish 1641/42 pike block, Highland clan levies and a large highland warband:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/double-stand-i.jpg?w=850)
I also got a few 5" x 4.5" trays to use if I ever go back a bit in time and use tercio units. Below are pictured (R to L) an early style tercio, a late style tercio and a large Swiss pike block:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/quad-stand-tercios.jpg?w=850)
The full blog post is here with more photos and explanations:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2016/12/07/using-the-new-magnetic-sabots-with-baroque/
Very nice ideas there D! 8)
Not sure how I missed this post ! They are fantastic. I'm always impressed when I read 'conversion ' as well.
The magnetic bases work well and will have the added bonus of saving you punching your 'pick the models up like a fairground scoop' opponent in the face !!
To clear out (at least for the moment) the "it's right in front of me" category here is the first unit of the armies I plan for the Killiecrankie campaign. The. Menzies of Weem Independent Highland Company:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/menzie-ihc.jpg?w=800)
Being a fairly small unit I have configured it as a Skirmisher (S) type but with +1MM (a small melee' bonus).
A brief blog post is here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2016/12/14/menzies-of-weem-independent-highland-company/
Quote from: Redstef on 13 December 2016, 07:47:02 AM
Not sure how I missed this post ! They are fantastic. I'm always impressed when I read 'conversion ' as well.
The magnetic bases work well and will have the added bonus of saving you punching your 'pick the models up like a fairground scoop' opponent in the face !!
Thanks Red.
Since I'm usually my opponent it keeps ME from doing it. Wish I had gone magnetic sooner.
Very nice, that man ! 8)
Cheers -Phil
Good work there chap
Very nice!
Love the basing Bill very scottish you can almost imagine the midges!
:-bd =D> :-bd
A really flexible system =D>
Thanks gentlemen.
The new tufts are actually called "heather" - fighting the urge to go back and "replant" a bunch of bases. :)
Very nice looking unit and excellent modular basing!
I trust you are pronouncing Menzies correctly. :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 15 December 2016, 06:01:38 PM
Very nice looking unit and excellent modular basing!
I trust you are pronouncing Menzies correctly. :)
Now that you mention it I am :)
Up until that very moment it was Min-zees! Thanks!
Quote from: Matt J on 15 December 2016, 05:12:24 PM
Love the basing Bill very scottish you can almost imagine the midges!
Yes. ;D The basing is very good. I can imagine finding a few golf balls in there! ;D
Very good
Take care
Andy
Everything looks good :-bd I'd happily play with, admire the work, complement you on the units if I was an opponent.
Joyeous Noel All!
My Christmas gift from my wife are elements of the Opposition Force (English and Scots Royal Armies) for the things I've started on for the 1685 - 1689 period on the Celtic Fringe AND to have them painted by Toxic Pixie. Incidently I count the West-Country as Celtic Fringe since some of it actually is (and the rest sould be :)).
Wanted to get the painting guides posted up on the blog (in case anyone has a spare moment and is so inclined):
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/painting-guides/1660-1692/
- Before shipping off to Pixie next week.
Merry Christmas to you, too, Bill !
Cheers - Phil
Finally back to painting some of my "normal" stuff and the first order of business was to clear off the Monmouth command piece and the Lyme Independent company for the Sedgemoor armies (Urbancohort has inspired me!)
The command piece is in the background (Monmouth in purple coat with telescope). The Lyme IC provides security in the foreground:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/monmouth-command-and-lyme-ic-front.jpg?w=700)
A reverse angle view:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/monmouth-command-and-lyme-ic-rear.jpg?w=700)
There are two sheep on the command stand which I have named "Techno" and "Lemmy". Lemmy is enjoying the salad bar below the slight rise we're Montrose stands, apparently already sensing a loser. Techno, however, appears fascinated and his edging his way toward Monmouth and the officer explaining the lay of the land. It is possible he is a spy for King Jamie!
Since I bought almost the entire Pendraken zoo, I now know where I'll get names for the various creatures as they are deployed. :)
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Very nice!
:-bd =D> :-bd
Your Inverlochy scenario gave us a very interesting test of Baroque yesterday, thanks :)
Thanks all!
And Paul - Thanks for the Inverlochy mention.. Glad you and Pierre got to play with Baroque. Since you are heading to the south (in the First Civil War - not the island) to do a more conventional battle I think you'll start to see how well designed Baroque really is.
Lovely bit of work.
Ditto !
Very nice work, Bill ! 8)
Cheers - Phil.
lovely work Bill, your basing is particularly evocative :-bd
Impressive stuff. Good work, Bill! :-bd
Very tasty!
Thanks again, guys. :)
I am also near complete with another "chop shop" job. I need a piper for Dunbarton's at Sedgemoor so:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/dumbarton-piper-components.jpg?w=600)
Took arms and pipes from a Minifig piper, de-armed a Pendraken LoA pikeman and made this (not as yet finished) piper:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/dumbarton-piper-near-completed.jpg?w=600)
The slight size difference (the Minifig is a bit heftier) makes him look like Popeye after a can of spinach, but he will serve.
Nice piper!
Mmmmm.... green grass! Yummy
really creative Bill! I love seeing conversion work like that being done. Just excellent!!!
Terry
Good stuff, Bill.
I HAD wondered why he had his left hand on a sword.....Until I realised that the 'blade' was a streak on the table....D'OH !! X_X
Cheers - Phil
Terry,
Considering the great conversion work you do, I appreciate the complement. Thanks!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 18 April 2017, 03:37:14 PM
Nice piper!
Mmmmm.... green grass! Yummy
;D
Here is another picture (will be on blog) that shows "Lemmy" and "Techno" in more detail. :D
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/momouth-command-1.jpg?w=600)
Techno, a good piper is always ready with his sword! :)
I really like that !!
Cheers - Phil.
What's on my back?
Quote from: mad lemmey on 18 April 2017, 06:11:14 PM
What's on my back?
I'm tempted to say you are both going to seed. I forgot to whisk the flock before I took the pics!
To lazy to re-shoot them however. :)
You saying we've gone to seed?
No, heavens no! A momentary thought, instantly regretted! ;)
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Without you using blood effects I can't tell which is Techno.
I love the way those officers are pointedly ignoring the sheep.
Five minutes after that shot was taken ...
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KSQ0s2SAIeg/WBqE3HTZ5-I/AAAAAAAAJwM/kxFx9p6QdB4eVi5MdQlLM4e0P745lFyPACLcB/s320/Two-Sheep-390x242.jpg)
I'm getting shades of "Do Troubleshooters Dream of Electric Sheep" :D
Very nice!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 19 April 2017, 09:31:41 AM
Five minutes after that shot was taken ...
;D
;D
Come the ovisian apocalypse New Zealand is doomed!
Ovisian apocalypse in NZ? " I love the smell of roast lamb first thing in the morning"
Harold is no longer content with teaching them to fly, it seems.
Just got the over 120 days warning on my diary! Golly, has it been that long? Where does the time go?
Lots of rebasing - the never ending battle of the indecisive and followers of trends. Lots of rules investigations and play-throughs
Bought some Pendraken already painted Jacobite Pikemen during Hind's summer sale and converted some to make a horde of clan levies.
I painted the bowmen and touched up the rest (varying bonnet shades mainly). The major change was removing the pikes (or shortening in some cases) and taking polearms from various Pendraken Elizabethians and Medievals and adding them in:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/rearmed-clan-levy.jpg?w=800)
I stalled two months ago on three groups of Berbers (proxied from Pendraken Mahdists) for Tangier. They are 95% done.
MUST. GET. THEM. FINISHED.
The adhesives in the background are represent my three stage gluing approach to weapon, head and body part swaps.
Nice job on those Bill
+1
Cheers - Phil.
They do the job nicely, mate! On a similar note if I ever get round to finishing my Ottomans (three years and counting...), and run out, I might have a look at the Mahdists for extras - they're supposed to be opponents for LoA/Turkenkrieg era European forces but are little c16th if you look too closely ;)
Very nice indeed. Busy getting some 10mm Prussian guns finished so I can then do my first 28mm early Tudors. then it's back to the FPW.
Do they do heather as basing material?
The great Billy Connolly once pointed out the impossibility of marching through heather. He's right too. Last time I tried it, I nearly broke my ankle in a rabbit hole.
I think you're awfully brave doing head swaps in 10mm. If I did it, I'd end up with a lot of absurdly truncated figures.
Thanks folk!
@ Pixie - one thing that's nagging at me about using the madhist as musketeers is they are firing either Martini-Henry's or Lee Metford's (can't tell but look modern) with slings. I've painted them but using them is a stretch even for me. OK, I'll use them but waiting for the right stuff to be put in production so I can replace them.
@fsn - I use Siflor blossom tufts for the heather http://www.fiferhobby.com/silflor-blossom-tufts/. I went a little happy with it.
It is not bravery, it is the willingness to go out in public with small bits of little men glued to your fingers.
Quote from: fsn on 13 September 2017, 05:50:03 PM
Do they do heather as basing material?
The great Billy Connolly once pointed out the impossibility of marching through heather. He's right too. Last time I tried it, I nearly broke my ankle in a rabbit hole.
I think you're awfully brave doing head swaps in 10mm. If I did it, I'd end up with a lot of absurdly truncated figures.
That was a haggis hole.
I know the feeling with flock and static grass!
Mahdists - bum, on the rifles. Wonder if there's anything in the new Indian Mutiny range to pilfer :D
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Quote from: SV52 on 13 September 2017, 08:06:44 PM
That was a haggis hole.
Only the highland variety. Lowland ones nest in trees.
I'm given to understand that the haggis also often infest the sheep both sides of the Highland Line (and likely in Wales as well).
The rare ones, are those with different length legs..... so that they can stand perfectly upright on the slope of hill. :D
Cheers - Phil
Some cool projects you got going there; looking forward to seeing more of it!
Cheers,
Rob
They're good d-Guy, but miss a bit to be authentic Scots.
1) Everyone appears to be sober
2) No-one is flashing his backside
3) All those blue bonnets suggest Rangers fans. You need some hoops.*
However, what I was going to say is that I'm quite enthused by that basing. (Not for figures obviously**, because even Highlanders aren't daft enough to clart heather aboot aa da time), but for scenic items, and possibly as rough ground markers. I plan to leave work early to visit my local model shop. There I shall purchase a redheaded catwalk model and ask her if she knows where to buy tiny heather.***
That's what I love about this forum. The cross fertilisation of ideas.**** :D
* See association football, Scottish Premiership
** FSN's pet hates #3 - terraformed basing
*** That's tiny heather, not Tiny Heather.
**** and the Top Totty thread*****
***** and because I'm banned from every sensible forum
Quote from: Techno on 14 September 2017, 05:55:56 AM
The rare ones, are those with different length legs..... so that they can stand perfectly upright on the slope of hill. :D
Cheers - Phil
It is a little known fact that there are two species. One species has short legs on the left and the other short legs on the right. This means that there is less competition on the hills as one runs around clockwise, the other anti-clockwise. They are not able to interbreed, evolution prevents the appearance of an all short-legged species which would simply get lost in the heather and a long-legged species which would be easily seen by predators. :-B
I will be presenting my paper on
Haggisii Caledonii at the next Sweaty Sock symposium due to be held at the picturesque Balkankle House, home of Sir Oneceforous Dingle-Bruce CDM, VD and Scar.
TOO SILLY, TOO SILLY
Quote from: SV52 on 14 September 2017, 08:17:05 AM
They are not able to interbreed,
I will be presenting my paper on Haggisii Caledonii at the next Sweaty Sock symposium due to be held at the picturesque Balkankle House, home of Sir Oneceforous Dingle-Bruce CDM, VD and Scar.
Of course not; they will only ever meet head to head... =)
Cheers,
Rob
nicely done.
so which glue smells the sweetest? or, maybe the better question should be, which glue doesn't make your eyes water if you get too close and the fumes hit you?
As a glue sniffing connoisseur the UV activated has the least objectionable odor but all of them make my eyes water.
Quote from: fsn on 14 September 2017, 06:38:53 AM
They're good d-Guy, but miss a bit to be authentic Scots.
1) Everyone appears to be sober
2) No-one is flashing his backside
3) All those blue bonnets suggest Rangers fans. You need some hoops.*
However, what I was going to say is that I'm quite enthused by that basing. (Not for figures obviously**, because even Highlanders aren't daft enough to clart heather aboot aa da time), but for scenic items, and possibly as rough ground markers. I plan to leave work early to visit my local model shop. There I shall purchase a redheaded catwalk model and ask her if she knows where to buy tiny heather.***
That's what I love about this forum. The cross fertilisation of ideas.**** :D
* See association football, Scottish Premiership
** FSN's pet hates #3 - terraformed basing
*** That's tiny heather, not Tiny Heather.
**** and the Top Totty thread*****
***** and because I'm banned from every sensible forum
First, let me say I appreciate the annotations as they give me deeper insight in to the workings of the Runcornian mind.
1) they are running through heather therefore it follows that they are drunk.
2) the view is from the front.
3) in the half hour I allotted to figuring this out I couldn't determine why they are called "The Hoops". It took me a good part of that just determining that what they play is soccer. The fact that the Queen's Park Rangers are also called "The Hoops" didn't help in this. If you could add more explanation (pic or vid is fine) it would help.
I too like the CrossFert of ideas:
A major college football rivalry in which the bad guys are called "Yinzers" and the good guys (us!) are called "Hoopies":
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_Brawl
It is interesting that there is a Tiny Heather on both sides of the Atlantic and involved in the same career path.
Scotland's 2nd best city is Glasgow. Glasgow boast two football team - Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic. Rangers play in blue, whilst Celtic play in rather fetching green and white hoops.
(https://www.uksoccershop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1967.jpg)
Good grief.
If I'm not mistaken, that's the Celtic team that were the first British team to win the European Cup.....As it was called then, in days of yore.
Cheers - Phil
Indeed they were. :D
The photo is of the '67 team.
Why is Celtic pronounced keltic AND Seltic? Or is that just old football announcers?
1. There is no such team as Glasgow Celtic. The title of said, great and glorious footballing institution is The Celtic Football Club.
2. The Hoops is in regard the horizontal banding on the shirts. One of the nicknames for the team is The Hoops, the others being The Bhoys, The Celts.
3. Celtic [pronounced Seltik] was given as a name, when founding the club, to reflect the club's Irish and Scottish roots.
4. The photo is of the 'Lisbon Lions' team of players, appearing to having been taken on "One Thursday Night", 25th May 1967.
5. Oh, and there's argument that they actually play in hoops of green! :D
Thanks!
Obvious and makes perfect sense! Pictures always help.
Well, it's Seltic innin'it, I mean is startes with a "C". :D
Posted simultaneous with Roy, so thanks - more sports esoteria of which there can't be enough. :)
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To make your own Celtic Football Club emoticon crest, simply type in % % - but without leaving any spaces.
And here's one I made earlier.
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But why is there an S in Keltic?! Celtic reflects the tribal roots, sure, but why the S?!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 14 September 2017, 05:10:04 PM
Why is Celtic pronounced keltic AND Seltic? Or is that just old football announcers?
I've asked the same question.....I don't think we got a definitive answer.
Chap at the front of the piccy.....Billy McNeil.....There's one other (the left back) Tommy (?) Sommat, (Gemmel ?) who dragged one of the opposition off the field by his boot....I remember that bit....I don't think he's in the photo.
Stop making me feel even older than I am.
Time to leave another message on Nobby's answering 'machine'..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
I think I sort of dozed through the class but English prefers Romance language Ce as Se rather than glottal stopped Ke.
In the states the Boston Celtics (Seltics) standardized our pronunciation. I don't know if that is the answer*. Maybe St Patrick and Ssssnakes!
* or if I even understand the question, might require another picture. :)
%%-
Coo!
So would you say the Seltic Fringe is where your battles are set?! The football team is the only instance I can think of where it's used? I should probably just go look at wiki or something. Or go back to painting Balfours Regt for you ;)
percent percent dash
not
five percent dash
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Celtic is Seltic rather than Keltic for the same reason that we have Cicero pronounced Sisero not Kikero.
Keltoi is a Greek name for the Celts coined in around 500BC (iirc!) and the Roman Celtae derived from that was probably pronounced Keltae so the hard "K" sound is more correct ... if you're a Roman or an Ancient Greek :)
Modern usage not being consistent ... well colour me astounded ... NOT! :D
https://www.digitalmedievalist.com/opinionated-celtic-faqs/keltic-or-seltic (https://www.digitalmedievalist.com/opinionated-celtic-faqs/keltic-or-seltic)
Interesting. It's a double entry :) And seemingly Both correct even if the soft "s" is only used for two sportsball teams...
The Komment about Seilidh's is telling!
Paint figures Nathan, paint figures...
%%- %%- yeah!!
Sorry, I was funning you a bit. It was more a comment on the large number of typos and spelling errors I make. :P
In playing around with the emoticons and the preview feature, did discover that since the backslash is an escape you have to use double backslash to get the "thinker" :-\
A few of you clever lot already figured this out.
Pixie, I actually do say Seltic Fringe but I'll gladly say Keltic Fringe so you can return to Balfour's :D
Done and done, just the metallic left on them! Then the final two foot, then the horse. Soon :)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 14 September 2017, 11:31:25 PM
Done and done, just the metallic left on them! Then the final two foot, then the horse. Soon :)
Excellent!
...and in the mean time I have been inspired to finish the first wave of Berbers at Tangier circa 1680:
Proxied from Pendraken Madhists and Arabs. The mounted in the background will become the Spanish Horse:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/berbers-1.jpg?w=900)
A second pic with the "musketeers" (anachronistic Lee-Metfords or Martini-Henrys playing the part of matchlocks) added in and several sticks reversed:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/berbers-2.jpg?w=900)
Terrific !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Looking good
Nice, love the flags! =D> =D>
No, no, it's spelled Luxury Yacht, but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove.
So that's how you get the
:-\
to work.
Cheers d_guy :-bd
Very nice Bill!
Now get 'em based and on table and into contact!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 September 2017, 09:14:32 AM
Now get 'em based and on table and into contact!
I'm thinking somewhere west of the English Riviera. :-\ ;)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 15 September 2017, 08:58:34 AM
No, no, it's spelled Luxury Yacht, but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove.
The point of the skit aside, I have always preferred my pronunciation of "Cholmondeley"
Belated compliments on your work, Bill. :-[
Thanks Westie!
A PSA for any one just passing through - I only added the weapons, some unknown person (possibly on this forum) did the painting!
My father used to work for PSA. Then they changed the name to NorEast for our area. Then it all got shut down and contracted out. Balfour Beaty won the contact.
No? You say this isn't what you meant when you said PSA. Oh, sorry :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_Services_Agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_Services_Agency)
:D
Occurred to me later that it might also be construed as the lab test for men after a certain age ;)
I don't know. 'Public Service Announcements' featured a lot in the American rapper Eminem's early albums (though they were very sweary, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, offensive, blasphemous and shocking), so some of us Young 'Uns may know what you meant :)
I wouldn't know about the health check, yet. Though I have suffered the 'cough test', once.
Anyone remember the grain silo? Sweet Ghu that was terrifying!
OK have been trying to paint a little bit each day:
Realized I need command pieces for my Berber, so here they are:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/berber-command.jpg?w=900)
And the Berber contingent on their bases. Still have to do their sabot framing:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/berber-infantry.jpg?w=900)
Meanwhile on the painting table: a passel of 17th c Eastern Woodland First Americans being worked on.
In the background is the continuing progress on the Spanish horse at the Tangier garrison:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/indians-spanish-horse.jpg?w=900)
Moving on to the Pixie front, he has just finished Balfour's, one of the regiments of Mackay's Scots Dutch Brigade at Killiecrankie:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/balfour-1.jpg?w=900)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/balfour-2.jpg?w=900)
Thanks, Lethal Posionous Toxic Pixie :)
:-bd =D> :-bd
Bill, some really nice looking work there!
I'm a big fan of the Lace Wars, so those guys really appeal to me. In my started box I have a French army of 1690 underway for both HOTT and DBA-HX, but it's been at least 3 years since I've done any work on them.
Looking forward to seeing more,
Terry
Nice! What figures did you use for your Woodland Indians with bows and spears? Some of the ancient Indians? I was wondering if, especially the ones with the bows, would fit in with an American Woodland Indians group...
Cheers,
Rob
8)
Cheers - Phil
Very nice. Must get on with my Woodland Indians
:-bd :-bd
I like those Spanish horse just peeking in the back, good guidon :)
Looking really good.
Thanks folks!
Terry, the LoA figures are stunning sculpts!
@Ace - the musketeers are all three poses from FI-13 and Leon put in several extra figures with war clubs (which I'm using as officers)
Leon had also suggested the Ancient Indians to me so the bows and spears are from AI-11. I added shields (fairly uncommon in the East) to the spearmen to add color variety (and balance the figure a bit). I think the bows very well match contemporary illustrations from the 17th c. These guys have to cover from Peqouts to Powhattans and back up to Narragansetts, across an entire century.
@Pixie - Thanks, the best information on the Spanish Horse at Tangier is that they are four troops of the Duke of Osuna's regiment. Having no other information, the cornet is taken from the Duke's arms.
Sounds very reasonable :D
Also, good job on the First Nations guys.
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
BTW Andy - cheers for the Epic History TV pointer.
Quote from: d_Guy on 22 September 2017, 01:45:56 PM
@Ace - the musketeers are all three poses from FI-13 and Leon put in several extra figures with war clubs (which I'm using as officers)
Leon had also suggested the Ancient Indians to me so the bows and spears are from AI-11. I added shields (fairly uncommon in the East) to the spearmen to add color variety (and balance the figure a bit). I think the bows very well match contemporary illustrations from the 17th c. These guys have to cover from Peqouts to Powhattans and back up to Narragansetts, across an entire century.
Thanks for the info d-Guy, I already thought it would be those. I'm working on a bunch of Indians for 10mm Muskets & Tomahawks and some armed with bows might be interesting... I will certainly consider these! The Woodland Indians with warclubs are 'officers' in my organisation as well! ;)
Cheers,
Rob
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 23 September 2017, 08:56:37 PM
The Woodland Indians with warclubs are 'officers' in my organisation as well! ;)
And mine ;)
Quote from: Leman on 23 September 2017, 10:30:34 AM
BTW Andy - cheers for the Epic History TV pointer.
You are more than welcome
Take care
Andy
Have continued to work in small bits almost everyday and have completed my fifteen "Mollinary Structures" (unit casualty markers):
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/molinary-structures.jpg?w=700)
I had named the prototype a "Mollinary Structure" having blatantly copied the idea from a certain member of this forum.
The name stuck in my head. The flags are "scatter" and I can put an appropriate one on for story-telling purposes. I'll likely use some other types of scatter later
My first group of generic woodland Indians are finished and based:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/woodland-war-party.jpg?w=700)
They will likely make their first appearance as Powhattans in the 1630's.
The Spanish Horse at Tangier circa 1680 is also complete:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/the-spanish-horse.jpg?w=700)
Beginning work of a dozen or so LoA command groups for 1670 - 1690 English and colonial militia.
Also about to base-coat a dozen Elizabethan Targeteers and officers for Virgina colonial milita in the 1620's - 30's.
Oooh!!
I do like those. All of them.
One little thought, perhaps distress the flags a little more on the casualty markers (aka Mollinary Structures), they look a little pristine for the carnage that is around them. A few holes, a bit of black to represent smoke, nothing too fancy, and something that can hopefully be done in situ.
Thanks fred!
That's a really good idea with the flags. I have dozens of them In a jar (I used to do several for each regiment then decided against it).
I'm with Fred, on those.
Really nice stuff, Bill.
Cheers - Phil
Very nice Bill
What Fred said
:-bd =D> :-bd
Thanks again, gentlemen.
As I age the memory slips. I thought I was going to base coat (prime) the Elizabethan Targeteers (EL6) today but could not find them.
Went through the master container for Elizabethans - had EL1,2,3 (knew I had skipped the pikes, EL4,5) then EL7,8,9,10 - but no EL6! Maybe I stored it wrong - so I next did late medieval, then ECW, then Orcs, Space Marines, FPW - nothing! Then I went throught the ENTIRE mountain - twice - nothing!!
Finally pulled up all the order listings for the last three years. I had ordered the EL's mixed in with two other orders. One month had EL1,2,3 - the next order roughly two months later had EL7,8,9,10 - Gaaaaaaarrrrr! What a maroon!
But Wait! There was still hope - sometime later I had ordered both a Scots and English Flodden army pack AND, on a lark, got an Elizabethan Army pack thrown in as well!
Guess what's NOT included in the Elizabeth Army pack?!!
It's now ordered and my entire lead mountain is organized In plastic bags, envelopes, boxes and plastic containers, each carefully labeled! It's an ill wind that blows no good.
The entire mountain now sits in a single corner of the room - I call the mountain Beelzebub.
Those are really nice. Great idea on the casualty markers.
Danger! AVALANCHE!
Bill, you are not alone. On many occasions I have had to trawl through my lead because I can't remember where I've stored a unit.
You realise you need to order another ton of random unnamed lead to compensate for the order you've induced :D
Yeah, it can be very frustrating trawling for something you think you have or, as it turns out, thought you had.
But isn't it great when you find something you forgot you had! :)
Quote from: Westmarcher on 03 October 2017, 09:05:34 AM
Yeah, it can be very frustrating trawling for something you think you have or, as it turns out, thought you had.
But isn't it great when you find something you forgot you had! :)
Not when you've just bought it not realising that you already had it! #-o ~X(
;D ;D Been there, done that and have about 60 Prussian 1870 hussars to prove it.
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Thanks for the support, gentlemen - misery loves company :)
Beelzebub contains bunches of stuff that I've never mentioned here. It was a trip down memory lane. And that's just the unpainted 10mm's.
I have stuffed in a closet my 25/28mm's, painted and unpainted. I really need to sell them to help pay for the 10 addiction....
Quote from: Westmarcher on 03 October 2017, 09:05:34 AM
But isn't it great when you find something you forgot you had! :)
You mean like the FPX5 marching band because I REALLY like the dog pulling the base drum? I have in my notes to change the drum major into a jingling johnnie man ... some time before 2025! :D
Quote from: DFlynSqrl on 03 October 2017, 04:46:27 AM
Those are really nice. Great idea on the casualty markers.
Thanks, Squirrel!
I do want to emphasize that Mollinary is the original designer, I just "borrowed" the design.
I slipped one off those marching bands into my last order. I have a cunning plan to split it across a few bases to bulk out my Risorgimento Italians - it should fill the gaps nicely :D
Some more pics from Pixie's work on my government army for the Sedgemoor and Killiecrankie campaigns:
Ramsey's Foot (part of MacKay of Scorie's army)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ramsey-foot-1.jpg?w=800)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ramsey-foot-2.jpg?w=800)
Horse Guards for Sedgemoor
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/lg-1.jpeg?w=800)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/lg-3.jpeg?w=800)
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/lg-2.jpeg?w=800)
Nice indeed very
Nice work 8)
A spot-on shade of red which works extremely well, giving a subtle weathered look. =D> =D> =D>
Pixie thanks you!
Quote from: Leman on 26 October 2017, 04:02:55 PM
A spot-on shade of red which works extremely well, giving a subtle weathered look. =D> =D> =D>
Cheers Leman!
It's GWs "wild rider red" on them iirc, but I've also used a Vallejo red & scarlet and a Coat d'Arms ruby red across various units, so they should all have a mildly different shade. Over a black undercoat and not being too heavy handed you get the slightly worn not too bright effect by default :D
They're WIPs as well so doubly thanks for the comments!
Very nice work, Pixie.
Cheers - Phil
Lovely work TP. =D> =D> =D> I agree the red is very effective. Do you cut off the metal rod under some of the cavalry after painting?
Mollinary
I've wavered back and forth on trimming the metal rod - these days I don't unless specified. I don't find it intrusive and most people I've painted them for are similarly ambivalent. Depends what Bill wants really, as I hadn't specifically asked - Bill, shall I chop the "flow poles" underneath?
It my bunraku-like world, if it is painted black it is invisible. I didn't even notice that they were there. Now that Schrodinger's cat is dead, yes, please trim them.
No probs. I'll get the clippers out!
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Quote from: toxicpixie on 26 October 2017, 10:03:08 PM
I've wavered back and forth on trimming the metal rod - these days I don't unless specified. I don't find it intrusive and most people I've painted them for are similarly ambivalent. Depends what Bill wants really, as I hadn't specifically asked - Bill, shall I chop the "flow poles" underneath?
Interesting. Once I realised they were not necessary to keep the figure together, I started clipping them off before undercoating. I wonder what others do?
Mollinary
I used to clip them, then found when I forgot some I just didn't notice so I stopped :D
There's some of the poses they're an arse to clip out and where they do help support the horse (trotting musician IIRC? And one where the legs are all swinging right in towards the centre point), but even then they're not vital.
With the voting in the Diorama category now officially closed I can add in more pics and notes
The whole point of the exercise was to have a reason to make a "jingling Johnny" (more properly, a "Turkish Crescent" but "jingling johnny" is more fun). Ever since seeing a Bundeswehr band with one at the 200th anniversary of Yorktown, I new that I was destined to have one.
Strelsau, of course, is the capital of Ruritania and the foot hussars of that kingdom are justly famous. Know as the "rat catchers" (Die Rattenfänger) for their policing function, I liked that the proper name, Der Rattenfänger, idiomatically translating as "The Pied Piper", suggested a function for the band in the vignette. It is a name that is also prominent in my favorite comedy series (some say documentary), "Silicon Valley".
The band proper is the lovely figure ensemble, FPX5, which supplies a nice selection of pieces. After some study one of the buglers was selected for the jingling johnnier:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/jingling-johnnie.jpg?w=700)
1/32" brass rod was attached for the shaft and a faceted glass bead added. The crescent was cut (badly) from card stock and the tails of two artillery horses (EC6 I think) appended. Surmounting the pole is the famous "Kitty Sejant" (SCN-NML6), crest of Die Rattenfänger.
Once assembled, the drum dog, known affectionately as "Trommchen" (short for Trommelzieher), had a card stock harness added:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/dog-and-barrow.jpg?w=700)
The barrow man (EC22) then acquired a still inebriated passenger (a seated man separated from his seated wife - EC42).
The jingling johnnier next received a card stock harness:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/jj-and-drunks.jpg?w=700)
The friend helping his less capable friend (FRE50) received a broad-brimmed card stock hat and both got their 20th century clothing back-dated a bit.
The figures were then placed on painting sticks and got base white followed by color blocking. The two additional figures, the recumbent ones (EC38,39), had their weapons removed and their headgear trimmed a bit:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/color-blocking.jpg?w=700)
The hexagon is the test for carving some stone patterns for the Grosserkarlsplatz paving. I'd like, BTW, to thank Terry37 for his encouragement and several useful suggestions in how to work the base filler!
After having the painting nearly finished, the figures were affixed to the base (lots of experimenting about effective positioning):
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/positioning-the-band.jpg?w=700)
The filler was applied and slowly worked around the figures:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/adding-the-filler.jpg?w=700)
Once three coats of filler were applied, between drying cycles, it was sufficiently cured to carve:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/scribing-the-stones.jpg?w=700)
After painting the pavement and applying washes, the figure got a final touch-up and were completed:
(https://leadenshipsandtinmen.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/done.jpg?w=700)
If you missed it, the full title was:
"A Sunday morning in Strelsau. Circa 1868
So citizens might avoid the ten kroner fine for missing Divine Worship, the band of the Royal Foot Hussars ("Die Rattenfänger") marches through the Grosserkarlplatz to arouse the late night revelers."
I enjoyed this enormously and now finally have my JJ! Congrats to all the winners and thanks again to Mr Lemmy for making it all happen. I am already thinking of next year's contest, possibly, "fsn leads the Runcornian delegation to the fastness of Wales and there in encounters a famous sculptor" Some sort of Steampunk Idyll with boots and whips, I should think.
Fascinating to see how you went about creating this 8). Thanks for sharing :).
Seconded :)
Bill, an absolutely superb little vignette. The work of creating the jingling Johnny is inspirational, and very clever!!! Thanks for sharing the behind the scenes loo. Well done indeed!!!
Terry,
Great work Bill, loved the idea.
Super stuff, Bill.
Cheers - Phil
That is *really* cool!
Very nice basing and thought there :)
Thanks folk, it was fun to do (and educational regading the basing) A note to Phil in particular - that armored chef's glove I mentioned some time ago has now saved my left hand from lacerations on several occasions!
Hmmmmm....... :-\
Maybe when I've got through all those plasters that Mark (Orcs) sent me. ;)
Thanks again for the heads up, Bill :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Mentioned elsewhere that I had gotten for Christmas English and Scots Flodden painted armies from EBay. The main part of the Scots army is now based up. About 320* figures (including the 80 additional that I painted from scratch). All the pikes needed touching up and most of the other figures had some re-painting. As you can tell I like doing flags:
The Center (with part of the Reserve behind):
(https://signaetportenta.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/scots-flodden-kings-ward.jpg?w=850)
The Center Left and Left (Highlanders missing as yet):
(https://signaetportenta.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/scots-flodden-center-left-and-left.jpg?w=850)
The Right (command only - Highlanders still have to be added):
(https://signaetportenta.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/scots-flodden-partial-right.jpg?w=850)
Notes on the pictures are at the blog here:
https://signaetportenta.com/2018/01/31/assembling-the-scots-flodden-army-the-main/
* which makes the 54,000 mentioned in another thread equal to several of my lifetimes of painting!
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
The flags certainly look impressive :)
Those look terrific !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
They do look the business and impressive flags.
Really look the part Bill, nice work sir.
They really look good - lots of flags is always good
(http://www.kristinholt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/top-hat-coop.jpg)
I take my hat off to you, Sir.
I thought you were more Peaky Blinders...
Indeed no. This is a photo of Johnny Carmangle, Runcorn's Best Dressed (Biped that Identifies as a) Man 2017, and part time (because he's not very good) Cary Grant impersonator.
Unfortunately, you can't see his trackie bottoms and Nikes.
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Very nice Bill! Those flags are cracking :)
stonking! lots of flags is good :D
Thanks, the flags are about 30% larger than they should be - but I can easily tell who is who.
And speaking of dangerous hat tip:
I am also starting to get some of Pixie's LoA figures based up.
Very pleased with his painting (my only contribution is the pikes and flags):
First Guards:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/first-batt-1st-foot-guards.jpg?w=850)
West Country Militia Horse:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/west-country-militia-horse.jpg?w=850)
Monmouth's Lifeguard:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/monmouths-life-guard.jpg?w=850)
The post with notes and another pic or two is here:
https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2018/02/01/monmouth-rebellion-updates/
Very inspiring all round :)
Thanks Bill! You've done a nice job on basing & flags there too :)
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Nice work gents
Looking good! :-bd
May I add my voice to the chorus of admiration?
Me, too !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 February 2018, 01:57:06 AM
May I add my voice to the chorus of admiration?
Yes, yes you may.
And to all
I thank you and Pixie thanks you.
Thank you, thank you all :D
*bows*
I have 110 figures on sticks to be Highlanders at Flodden (hodge-podge of Pendraken figures). Many have had small bucklers added and a few are about to get some proto-plaids. I am studying the color of saffron at this point and started a specific thread to get opinions about what that color (or colors) should be:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,17061.0.html
Excellent work on that basing.
Nicely done