[Penraken did cast the original miniature, so its only half a "Non-Pendraken Stuff ;) ]
1930s Imagi-Nation / VBCW / Soviet Female Soldier (conversion)
My Conversion of Belt Fed Gaming's (BFG17) WW2 Soviet Sniper
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yw9lOH491uA/WAUTqO7fL1I/AAAAAAAAGE4/L_X0P2MuCgMim1SX2KWMnQkliPH6l_I6gCLcB/s600/Klintanistan_BFG1.jpg)
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(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eqOuY1deJa0/WAUTqVwMglI/AAAAAAAAGE8/W6CFWzsQ-pEAlAhhpC_DcZ2TlWhs6qLlwCLcB/s600/Klintanistan_BFG4.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TUMhT020zo4/WAUTrA4s3sI/AAAAAAAAGFE/bLyd_DcHyhksQyA29GnpVruv824qxFaNwCLcB/s600/Klintanistan_BFG6.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-b5MsKu8N3jo/WAUTrqrgkqI/AAAAAAAAGFI/DMv70GF-F68wQ3YceAO6FphnfGgxDQdgwCLcB/s600/Klintanistan_BFG9.jpg)
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I covered the breasts, using green stuff, with a blouse top.
I removed the right arm, before pinning it back in an alternate position.
Then attached a flag pole and made for it a hand-painted flag.
The figure was a gift for a wargamer, who has a 1930s Imagi-Nation called Klintanistan. If you were wondering why the label.
The painted example figure, at Colonel Bills:
(http://www.colonelbills.com/resources/BFG17a.JPG)
Funny how a very large number of female wargame figures have outrageously large breasts. Breastfeeding a fevered imagination? Does Donald Trump wargame?
Great looking figure (no pun intended!), Roy. I think you have made her look much more plausible.
@Leman - Donald Trump AND Bill Clinton, "just a couple of red-blooded American boys"*
Want to keep the forum non-partisan ;)
*one of my favorite Bill Mauldin cartoons concerning Willie and Joe.
Nice painting and a good conversion 8)
8)
Cheers - Phil
Thanks all.
Very true, Leman.
Thankfully the naked male miniatures don't feature exaggerated bodyparts, or a lot of us would be feeling very much insecure.
On that note, I wonder what female gamers think about the body shapes of the female figures? - nude and clothed. Male miniatures come in all shapes and sizes, but as Leman says, the majority of female miniatures follow a stereotyped view of a more curvaceous form.
I know of some chaps who are embarrassed to use nude female miniatures, especially should female family members be playing - I wonder on the scenario of a father introducing his (boy and girl) children to playing, and should the female child see this 'pin-up proportioned' female miniature she would be pressured into feeling that unless she fits such an image when she grows up she won't be pretty in the eyes of men? This is all talked about in the media, young girls and women being influenced by such instances, so thinking on this issue from a miniature gaming point of view isn't such a leap from whats already happening.
QuoteRoy - On that note, I wonder what female gamers think about the body shapes of the female figures?
See "Believable Female Miniatures" from Bad Squiddo Games/the Dice Bag Lady. In short, so many people think so little of said "traditional" female figures that Annie at BSG effectively built an entire business out of making ones that are, errr, believable.
https://thedicebaglady.net/ (https://thedicebaglady.net/)
I like the conversion - much better than the original, although if the original had remembered her blouse and buttoned her jacket I'd be more tempted to buy it.
Yes, Colonel Bill is familiar with Annie's view. ;D
Colonel Bill: "I've a new figure coming out soon"
Dicebag Lady: "Is it clothed?"
Colonel Bill: "No, she's got her T*ts out!"
Stu and Annie know each other, so the above (from Bournemouth 2016) was all said in jest. Annie does carry some of the Belt Fed Girls, but just the clothed miniatures that are available.
There was a few of us, myself included, that were ribbing Stu (Col. Bills) about how he should have some naked male gladiators sculpted. This was over on Facebook. In fact, another suggestion he's had is of a naked chap climbing out of a window (used with a 4Ground building) as he's running away from the husband of his mistress. All suggestions of naked men have so far not been acted upon! ;D ;D
No, I have actually spoken to Stu on this subject, and the nudey women are some of his best sellers. So that being the case he gets more sculpted. Maybe he should see if the sculptor could make a few different body shapes, though.
Yeah, I understand GZG's risque range is a very good seller as well!
Actually, half clothed/clutching trousers and panicking blokes would be handy for camp ambushes or skirmish type games when people get jumped either in flagrente delicto or having a nice snooze or sitting on the throne etc etc.
IIRC, Colonel Bill's had a figure at Skelp with trousers round ankles and supplied with or without a Wild West "thunderbox" model.
I have the Wild West sheriff, shown below, who is in his underwear.
(http://www.ifelix.co.uk/oldwest/imagesoldwest03/ow93sm.jpg)
Damnit, now I have to consider some more cowboy figures :D
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 October 2016, 10:06:39 AM
Actually, half clothed/clutching trousers and panicking blokes would be handy for camp ambushes or skirmish type games when people get jumped either in flagrente delicto or having a nice snooze or sitting on the throne etc etc.
That's a good suggestion. I'll pass it on :-bd
Quote from: Ithoriel on 18 October 2016, 03:26:49 PM
IIRC, Colonel Bill's had a figure at Skelp with trousers round ankles and supplied with or without a Wild West "thunderbox" model.
Yes, there's two more toilet break miniatures to be released at some point.
"Taking the Pith" - British Colonial Officer
WW2 Japanese - which I can't remember the witty name for.
What made me think of it was partly you mentioning tiffin with the generals daughter, and remembering that the only bits of recent Musketeer things I'd seen were all half clothes chaps leaping out of windows :)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 October 2016, 03:31:00 PM
Damnit, now I have to consider some more cowboy figures :D
Mine are patiently waiting for me to finish the Leuthen project and start on them (and the peaceful little town of Dean Man's Knees, thanks to Leven).
I like the idea of an unclad male scrambling out of a window. :)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 October 2016, 10:06:39 AM
Actually, half clothed/clutching trousers and panicking blokes would be handy for camp ambushes or skirmish type games when people get jumped either in flagrente delicto or having a nice snooze or sitting on the throne etc etc.
I passed this suggestion on to Stu, and he likes it so much he wondered if there was further opinions on what period would be best for such models? (in today's 28mm market)
A big seller for Colonel Bills is C17th / ECW
or
Stu wondered if a C19th Colonials would be better
Anybody have any suggestions / opinions / other ideas??
[Pendraken will be casting the models, should they be made, so there no problem discussing this, I'd say. After all Leon & Co. will be getting money from any dealings, one way or the other.
I was thinking the age of lace and wigs as well - musketeers and mi'ladies and privateers and similar. Half clothed and fairly generic I suspect you could squeeze a few figures across half a century plus from the ECW to Marlborough!
Another one:
Colonel Bill's 'Hoetha Fukaya' - painted to go with my (Victorian SF) IHMN Prussian's, roaming through Africa.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-un8yyIqPAtc/WCRpQqMd-OI/AAAAAAAAGJY/a0-mywN4zqk01dCalSOeJc-4Hh9g5p1swCEw/s600/IHMN_Prussians0.jpg)
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Damn good face (sculpting wise)!!
Cheers - Phil
Damn good painting wise as well ;)
Oh, definitely ! :-[
I was just rather impressed with the sculptor's skill regarding the face.
Faces aren't too difficult to do.....But making the face look female takes a fair bit of time...as does giving the impression of any 'non caucasian'.
(For me anyway.)
Cheers - Phil (Who hopes that doesn't sound racist, in any way. :-[)
The sad thing Techno, is that it isn't even remotely racist.
I'm guessing the things that make a non-Caucasian face (e.g. Big lips and a wide nose, or "slanty" eyes) are both the things that define that race and the mention of which drives SJws into a frenzy.
Shappi Khorsandi does a piece in which she talks about being at a party and trying to point out a person as being "the chap with the curly hair", "with the brown eyes" ... rather than saying the "B" word.
I'm guessing that you're sensitive to not over-doing the ethnic look to the point of caricature, even though, I'm also guessing, that in 10mm the only way to make them appear different to Caucasians is to over-emphasis those differences.
I don't believe you have a racist bone in your body - except perhaps that 2nd metatarsal on your left. I'm also a bit susupicious about your liver, which is always spewing bile.
That's absolutely true, Nobby.
Especially at 'toy soldier' scales.
It's difficult to not make (what some folk might think are offensive) caricatures......It would be relatively easy to do full on caricatures.....and it's only the few microns of putty that turn a "Yep....I think that looks a fair representation of (for example) a 'Negroid' or 'Asian' face." To something that looks like I'd be taking the p*ss, which does bother me.
I like to think I'm not any type of racist.
Don't worry about my liver......I won't let them test that, down at the Doc's.
Cheers - Phil
Cheers chaps :)
I have just painted some 200 odd Peter Pig 15mm modern Africa figures. While some of them seem to have faces that seem to have a bias towards Caucasian or Negroid features, both types look fine when painted as either race when a suitable flesh tone is used.
That gets you back to the distance and scale/detail argument. - Can you see any difference apart from extremes of colour in a persons face at anything more than about 50 metres?
I guess you could tell a black person from a white person and possibly from a person from the Indian subcontinent. But could you really see the difference between an Arab or Oriental and a European ??
Fnord, at arms length gaming distance & without being a different colour, I have enough difficulty telling if it's an elf, Orc, dwarf, T-55 or human, let alone which flavour! If it's for close up shots where the photographer can really capture the detail then yeah, it's a fine line. But for gaming schnucks? Skin colour will do it, close enough.