All 3 regiments are waiting for painting. What are the uniform colours?
Options I found: blue jacket/ blue trousers, blue jacket/ white trousers. What about the cap/turban? Any differences between regiments?
Any help appreciated. :)
Pale blue/turquoisey jacket, white pantaloons (looks good) red fez (or whatever its called) with pale blue tassel, no turban, brown men, white officers (red pants, pale blue/turquoisey coat, red kepi, blue sash). This is all you need to know, its 10mm ;)
... and the 'hand of the prophet' flags from Pendraken look really spiffing.
Perfect. Now I can finish the elites of French army. :)
Told you Cameronian would be straight there. 8)
NO YOU DIDNA
IanS
Did on faceache! :P
Mollinary will be along shortly to advise re the flags, fanions whatever they're called ;)
Cam
Most illustrations I have seen they are wearing the turban. Was it not worn on campaign?
Chad
I don't think it was.
The turban was usually not worn in battle. The white linen trousers were for summer wear. From autumn onwards pale blue woollen trousers of the same cut were worn. Officers wore red trousers and kepi. The pale blue items of clothing had yellow trim.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1311_zpse9232370.jpg)
Mollinary is lurking, I feel his presence.
Ok. The final uniform colours: trousers - white. Jackets - light blue.
Officers: Jackets - the same, trousers red.
It seems that one of the drummers is from SYW, in tricorne. This will make a perfect Easter egg.
Flags: standard blue-white-red
Photos pending, need better natural lighting.
Quote from: cameronian on 10 August 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Mollinary is lurking, I feel his presence.
Hmmm! All I know, which is not much on this topic, is contained in the thread on this forum from 2014 entitled Zouave Fanions. What is certain is that each regiment of the Tirailleurs Algeriens carried a normal Eagle and tricolour with their regimental name and number in the white section.
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 10 August 2016, 11:41:35 AM
Hmmm! All I know, which is not much on this topic, is contained in the thread on this forum from 2014 entitled Zouave Fanions. What is certain is that each regiment of the Tirailleurs Algeriens carried a normal Eagle and tricolour with their regimental name and number in the white section.
Mollinary
At my scale (2 square bases = 12 models) per regiment, tricolor is enough. :)
Quote from: Brotherdargon on 10 August 2016, 01:57:00 PM
At my scale (2 square bases = 12 models) per regiment, tricolor is enough. :)
At mine too! My battalions are three bases, each of four figures, and I have one eagle per regiment. The other battalions have to make do with an officer!
Mollinary
But one eagle per regiment is what they had historically, and those little pennants they popped in the rifle muzzle are too small to bother with in 10mm.
No, the ones Pendraken do are proper flags, different colours with the prophet's hand in the centre and a crescent in each corner, might be worth checking that thread Mollinary mentioned earlier.
Later - sorry, its Fatima's hand (silly me); perhaps Leon might chip in as the flags are Pendraken, anyhow, point is they look quite spiffy, give the Turcos a bit more eastern exoticism.
Quote from: cameronian on 10 August 2016, 05:10:12 PM
No, the ones Pendraken do are proper flags, different colours with the prophet's hand in the centre and a crescent in each corner, might be worth checking that thread Mollinary mentioned earlier.
Later - sorry, its Fatima's hand (silly me); perhaps Leon might chip in as the flags are Pendraken, anyhow, point is they look quite spiffy, give the Turcos a bit more eastern exoticism.
I have never seen these in Pendraken's list, and Leman is right, they should be Fanions, so at most half the size of normal flags.
Mollinary
Are you sure ? So where the hell did i get min then ?
Flags R Us?
I feel like I've got a bit to add to the conversation about fanions.
The regulations of 1857 laid down that battalion fanions were:
1st battalion: blue sheet
2nd battalion: red sheet
3rd battalion: yellow sheet
4th battalion: green sheet
When wartime expansion created extra battalions, these used the same sequence of colours, but had a central vertical white band down the sheet.
The devices were coloured by company (note that in the French army, companies were numbered consecutively through the regiment, and not the battalion):
1st, 5th, 9th, 13th: blue
2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th: red
3rd, 7th, 11th, 15th: yellow
4th, 8th, 12th, 16th: green
Here are two colour photos of 2 surviving examples which were captured in the frontier battles.
http://dhm.de/datenbank/dhm.php?seite=5&fld_0=MI008197
http://dhm.de/datenbank/dhm.php?seite=5&fld_0=MI010015
and because life wasn't meant to be easy I also found these anomalies to the official rules
The pennant of the 2nd Tirailleurs, 1st battalion, lost in Woerth (Franco-Prussian war, 6 August 1870), is 49 x 54.5 cm, with a red field and a light blue border of 5 cm width. The crescents and the hand of Fatima are light blue.
The pennant of the 2nd Tirailleurs, 2nd battalion, is 47 x 52 cm, with a blue field and a black border of 5 cm width. The crescents and the hand of Fatima are light blue, but they have their points oriented to the inside.
The pennants of the 3rd Tirailleurs, 3rd batallion, is red-orange with w white border and a white hand of Fatima.
Officially the crescents and the fatima hand on battalion fanions were green but the surviving examples show that it wasn't always the case!
These fanions would be small compared to the TriColour, about half the size. Tricolours (1860 model) had official dimensions of 100 x 100 cm on a pole of 235 cm. Battalion fanions officially measured in at 50 x 50 cm ( for 1,3,4th battalions, 67 x 67 cm for 2nd battalion) on a shaft that measured 80 cm long. 20 cm's of the shaft was plugged into the barrel of the rifle. So on 10 mm (or in my case 6 mm) the flags would be quite small by not so small as not to be seen.
Pierre Charrie's Drapeaux et Etendards du XIXeme Siecle book is an amazing resource for french military flags during this period.
Great Post! As you say, the Charrie books on French flags are THE source, and in our 2014 discussion on Zouave Fanions we came to the conclusion that, as rhey are not specifically mentioned in Charrie,then they probably adhered to the normal line regulations. Unfortunately, as I don't have the 19th century Charrie I was not able to share his views on the Turcos' Fanions, a gap which you have filled superbly!
Mollinary (inadequate flag geek :) )
Excellent post, thank you.
Always glad to help share what knowledge I have. If any of you ever have any more questions about French flags I'll look in that wonderful book to see what he says!