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Title: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Leon on 17 July 2016, 10:14:38 PM
We're continuing to slowly expand our Napoleonic ranges and we've now got the Prussians ready to take to the field.  And there's even a Blucher figure to rally them on!

Napoleonics
1813-1815 Prussian - http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Napoleonic-c14/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Napoleonic-c14/)
NPR1   Line/fusiliers, march attack
NPR2   Line/fusiliers, firing
NPR3   Line command
NPR4   Line mounted officer   (5)   £1.65
NPR5   Guard infantry, march attack, inc. command
NPR6   Guard mounted officer   (5)   £1.65
NPR7   Landwehr, inc. command
NPR8   Dragoons
NPR9   Hussars
NPR10   Uhlans
NPR11   Landwehr cavalry
NPR12   6pdr guns with line crew   (3)
NPR13   6pdr guns with horse crew   (3)
NPR14   7pdr Howitzer guns, with line crew   (3)
NPR15   7pdr Howitzer guns, with horse crew   (3)
NPR16   Mounted General + ADC   (2)   £0.80
NPR17   General Blucher   (1)   £0.70
(Packs contents as shown, priced at £4.95 each unless shown otherwise)

Army Pack - Contains 3 x NPR1.  1 x NPR3, 5, 8, 12.  £31.00

And some pics to tempt:

NPR3 - Line command:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR3.JPG)


NPR5 - Guard infantry:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR5.JPG)


NPR7 - Landwehr:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR7.JPG)


NPR8 - Dragoons:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR8.JPG)


NPR10 - Uhlans:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR10.JPG)


NPR12 - 6pdr guns with line crew:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR12.JPG)


NPR16 - General & ADC:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR16.JPG)


NPR17 - General Blucher:
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/NPR17.JPG)


We hope you like them!

8)
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 July 2016, 10:24:23 PM
Yes, I like!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: old smokie on 17 July 2016, 10:51:16 PM
nice  :) 8)

when are the Brunswickers due
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Leon on 17 July 2016, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: old smokie on 17 July 2016, 10:51:16 PM
nice  :) 8)

when are the Brunswickers due

Probably end of August or into September I'd think at the moment.  We've got a load of Warband moulds needing to be done first, plus I want to get some Nap French additions released as well.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Le Manchou on 18 July 2016, 12:55:08 AM
Excellent Leon, very nice figures and I still need 2 Prussian corps and the Guards!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Steve J on 18 July 2016, 06:55:30 AM
Great stuff and I love the Landwehr :-*
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Nosher on 18 July 2016, 06:57:37 AM
 :)
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: fsn on 18 July 2016, 07:02:16 AM
Oh bother! This looks expensive!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 July 2016, 08:06:45 AM
Quote from: Leon on 17 July 2016, 10:58:44 PM
Probably end of August or into September I'd think at the moment.  We've got a load of Warband moulds needing to be done first, plus I want to get some Nap French additions released as well.

..and...
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Techno on 18 July 2016, 08:27:55 AM
I dunno.....Gimme a clue.

Cheers - Phil

Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Leman on 18 July 2016, 09:59:32 AM
I think FK wants more ancients and chaps from the Americas - have a heart!

Those 1815 Prussians are looking mighty useful for some multi-purpose use in 1866, and elsewhere I imagine. What do you think, Konstantinos?
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: nikharwood on 18 July 2016, 11:32:38 AM
Those are lovely - especially like the Landwehr...
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 July 2016, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: Techno on 18 July 2016, 08:27:55 AM
I dunno.....Gimme a clue.

Cheers - Phil



The mission bells told me
That I shouldn't stay
South of the border....
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Leman on 18 July 2016, 12:44:43 PM
There really is no response to that that I can post on this forum in all good conscience.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 18 July 2016, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 July 2016, 11:41:33 AM
The mission bells told me
That I shouldn't stay
South of the border....

Welcome to The Hotel California?
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Techno on 18 July 2016, 03:32:48 PM
I'm supposed to be making Californians, now ?

What uniform do they wear then ?

I wish Leon would tell me these things.  =)

Cheers - (Permanently) Confused of Wales
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Dave Fielder on 18 July 2016, 07:39:57 PM
Please stop making new models.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 18 July 2016, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: Techno on 18 July 2016, 03:32:48 PM
I'm supposed to be making Californians, now ?

What uniform do they wear then ?

I wish Leon would tell me these things.  =)

Cheers - (Permanently) Confused of Wales
It only lasted a few days, so irregular uniforms Phil.
Republic of California
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: fred. on 18 July 2016, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 18 July 2016, 07:39:57 PM
Please stop making new models.

Is that the sound of Dave's wallet crying !  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: fsn on 18 July 2016, 08:25:22 PM
Ummmm ... I'm probably going to expose my massive ignorance now, but is the gun a little bit small?  ... or is it far away?

The gun looks to be just about waist height. The Osprey illustration here of a Prussian 6pdr  shows the wheels to be closer to shoulder height.   

(http://www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/img/damaged_prussian_gun.jpg)


(Now waiting to be schooled on Prussian artillery.)
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Ithoriel on 18 July 2016, 08:30:48 PM
Quote from: fsn on 18 July 2016, 08:25:22 PM
Ummmm ... I'm probably going to expose my massive ignorance now, but is the gun a little bit small?  ... or is it far away?

The gun looks to be just about waist height. The Osprey illustration here of a Prussian 6pdr  shows the wheels to be closer to shoulder height.   


Bear in mind the figures are on bases and the gun is not. Jack it up to the same ground level and it does indeed reach to just below shoulder height.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Subedai on 18 July 2016, 09:31:17 PM
Lovely little chaps, Landwehr are the stand out figures...but I have just one little niggle (apart from armoured Mongol horses that is  :)). Prussian Line musketeers and fusiliers are listed as being interchangeable but they are not because the musketeers wore the cartridge box on a crossbelt at the right-rear whereas the fusiliers wore theirs on a waistbelt at the front. Not much I know but noticeable if you can see the front of the little chap.

MickS
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: FierceKitty on 19 July 2016, 02:15:54 AM
There's something very strange about wanting to do horse and musket era Prussians and then opting for the Napoleonic period!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: FierceKitty on 19 July 2016, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 18 July 2016, 03:00:02 PM
Welcome to The Hotel California?

Doesn't scan or rhyme!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2016, 07:13:07 AM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 18 July 2016, 08:30:48 PM
Bear in mind the figures are on bases and the gun is not. Jack it up to the same ground level and it does indeed reach to just below shoulder height.

I knew that.  :-[ Just testing. Hah!  Of course. On a base. Yes. Oooh look! Uhlans!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Techno on 19 July 2016, 07:19:55 AM
I think a lot of folk get caught out by that from time to time.  ;)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Dave Fielder on 19 July 2016, 07:25:46 AM
Also the 10mm picture (damn Pendraken for showing them) is a 6pdr whilst diagram looks more like a 12pdr.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: ronan on 19 July 2016, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: Techno on 18 July 2016, 03:32:48 PM
I'm supposed to be making Californians, now ?

What uniform do they wear then ?


This ?

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/a6357ae74b08f968ab822111a6492433/tumblr_nkjwvtVpzH1uoe9iuo1_400.gif)
:D
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Techno on 19 July 2016, 09:21:43 AM
Hang on.

Where are the roller blades ?  ;)

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Chad on 19 July 2016, 11:13:26 AM
Fsn

Based on the text for the illustration, wheel sizes were standardised to facilitate changes.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Chad on 19 July 2016, 11:21:00 AM
Subedai

As far as I know the fusilier description you give is the pre 1808 uniform, when there were separate battalions. The 1813 fusiliers are the 3rd battalion of line regiments with the only distinction being black leatherwork as opposed to white for the 1st and 2nd battalions
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2016, 12:33:02 PM
The Osprey illustration did say a 6pdr.

Taking off the base then the gun would be about shoulder height.

I just wonderered if someone was going to say "Ah! It's a 1812 BangenBustenvonKnockenOffer from the Lippe Armoury which had small wheels because the trees around Lippe weren't very big around" or something similar. Obviously I'm better informed that I thought, but less observant.



Wonder from how high they had to drop those girls to get them that stuck in the sand.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: petercooman on 19 July 2016, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: fsn on 19 July 2016, 12:33:02 PM

Wonder from how high they had to drop those girls to get them that stuck in the sand.

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55941209.jpg)



YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: FierceKitty on 19 July 2016, 01:44:27 PM
Quote from: fsn on 19 July 2016, 12:33:02 PM

Wonder from how high they had to drop those girls to get them that stuck in the sand.

California? Just tell them it's a whole new far-out experience to bury their own heads in the sand (and, if that doesn't work, add it's how Julia Roberts got noticed at the start of her career).
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Subedai on 19 July 2016, 09:21:32 PM
Quote from: Chad on 19 July 2016, 11:21:00 AM
Subedai

As far as I know the fusilier description you give is the pre 1808 uniform, when there were separate battalions. The 1813 fusiliers are the 3rd battalion of line regiments with the only distinction being black leatherwork as opposed to white for the 1st and 2nd battalions


According to Nash, The Prussian Army 1808-1815, Almark Publications, 1972 (my copy is only held together by the thinnest of binding threads, a lot of love and even more careful handling), has diagrams on p. 18 of fusiliers with waist pouches; it still held true that the III Battalions were fusiliers wearing blackened equipment. Another difference between them and musketeers is that the latter usually painted a white circle on their waxed shako covers while the fusiliers left theirs plain.
Also if you follow this link, you will see in the painting by Knotel (second picture down) that the far left figure is that of a fusilier in summer trousers and a cartridge pouch on a waistbelt. 

http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Prussian_infantry.htm#_uniforms

MickS
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: NTM on 20 July 2016, 05:00:42 AM
The white circle was not unique to fusiliers it was used by all that participated in the 1812 Russian Campaign. The idea that fusiliers used a waisbelt stems from a Knotel plate which actually depicts a NCO in a particular dress order (just checked that link which shows the very plate). All this was explained in the Osprey Warrior volume IIRC. So fusiliers did actually use a crossbelt and the distinction was the style of sword carried which was straight bladed and without handguard.

Here's another Knotel plate showing fusilier with crossbelts

(https://befreiungskriege.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/knoe13_21.jpg)
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Rob on 20 July 2016, 04:35:15 PM
Brilliant, I've been looking forward to these. I'll have a corps worth please.  :)

We now need the Young Guard infantry to fight them, and Russians.  :) :) :) :) :) :)


Cheers, Rob  :)
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Rob on 22 July 2016, 10:44:47 AM
Couple of questions:

What does landwehr the left hand figure represent? Is his left leg forward?

The right hand horse of the uhlan figures, is this horse standing still as opposed to the canter pose of the other horses?

Thanks, Rob  :)
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Leon on 22 July 2016, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: Rob on 22 July 2016, 10:44:47 AM
What does landwehr the left hand figure represent? Is his left leg forward?

The sculptor notes says "Sergeant/private with pike on shoulder".

Quote from: Rob on 22 July 2016, 10:44:47 AM
The right hand horse of the uhlan figures, is this horse standing still as opposed to the canter pose of the other horses?

Yep, standing pose while the others are in that 'leaping' into the charge type pose.  He's not reacted to the order as quickly as the others...!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Dragoon on 01 August 2016, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: old smokie on 17 July 2016, 10:51:16 PM
nice  :) 8)

when are the Brunswickers due

More importantly what about the 1/23rd. Foot The Royal Welch Fusiliers?  Waterloo

Not forgetting The 1/7th. Royal Fusiliers. In march 1815, Jersey America. April 1815 Portsmouth so would still be wearing the Stovepipe shako.
Or the 21st Fusiliers off the coast of America then occupation of Paris
The 7th and 21st both served in the Peninsula as did the 23rd
there doesn't appear to be any Light Infantry in stovepipe shakos.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Dragoon on 01 August 2016, 11:17:59 PM
Quote from: Le Manchou on 18 July 2016, 12:55:08 AM
Excellent Leon, very nice figures and I still need 2 Prussian corps and the Guards!

Guards? when did they see action?

From memory the Prussian Guard Regiments Zu Fuss never saw action as they weren't in the Army of the Lower Rhine.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Chad on 02 August 2016, 09:21:26 AM
Mike

Correct. They saw no action in 1815

Pete
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 02 August 2016, 09:34:34 AM
But they did between 1813&14!
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 August 2016, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 02 August 2016, 09:34:34 AM
But they did between 1813&14!

Making an immeasurably short period! One for the quantum physicists.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Techno on 02 August 2016, 11:50:54 AM
Though sometimes a minute seems to go so slowly.  :D
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Rob on 02 August 2016, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Dragoon on 01 August 2016, 11:17:59 PM
Guards? when did they see action?

From memory the Prussian Guard Regiments Zu Fuss never saw action as they weren't in the Army of the Lower Rhine.
I'm not sure they ever saw action but they were present at Lutzen, Bautzen and Leipzig in 1813 and were with Schwarzenberg's advances/retreats during 1814, as an army reserve so could have seen action if the allies had needed them. So I think no one should hold back from using them if those plumes tickle a fancy.  :)

Cheers, Rob  :)

Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: NTM on 02 August 2016, 09:10:16 PM
They were quite heavily engaged at Gross-Gorschen which was one of their battle honours along with Bautzen, Leipzig and Paris.
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Hoagie on 19 August 2016, 09:35:07 PM
Regarding the Landwehr packs, what is the command ratio per pack?
Title: Re: 1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!
Post by: Leon on 19 August 2016, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: Hoagie on 19 August 2016, 09:35:07 PM
Regarding the Landwehr packs, what is the command ratio per pack?

One set of command, so 26 foot and 4 command figures per pack.  We can supply more command though if you need them.