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Title: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: slimreidy1 on 07 July 2016, 10:26:41 AM
Hello my fellow peeps, our last game saw us go back to fighting a ancient battle using Hail Caesar rules for a good old fashioned set to. I have the usual AAR with photos on my blog if you wish to check I out please follow the link provided. Cheers  :)

http://slimreidy1.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/carthaginian-and-roman-republican-clash.html

Here's a couple of photos of the action

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qLqUcK3H2VA/V3wpAlU-ojI/AAAAAAAAFKs/PMmzcohXGZI/s640/blogger-image--860072244.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xgS7pgVNQu0/V3wo5_fgWQI/AAAAAAAAFKg/YY3UNNIvscQ/s640/blogger-image-253038966.jpg)
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 July 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Hail Ceaser? A shaman with powerful weather-working spells, is it?
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: slimreidy1 on 07 July 2016, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 July 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Hail Ceaser? A shaman with powerful weather-working spells, is it?

Ha ha, now that might be an idea for the next time  :)
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Techno on 07 July 2016, 01:54:35 PM
Nice report and piccies.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 07 July 2016, 02:08:32 PM
Beautiful pair of armies and nice report!
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Leman on 07 July 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Steve J on 07 July 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Lovely looking armies and a nice battle report :)
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: fred. on 07 July 2016, 04:04:31 PM
Very nice, are they 10mm armies?
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 07 July 2016, 05:13:07 PM
Very nice armies as usual - lovely looking table, wargaming as it should look.

Although I think you may have muddled your velites and triarii up and got the principes and hastati back to front :)
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: paulr on 07 July 2016, 07:47:27 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: slimreidy1 on 07 July 2016, 07:53:20 PM
Quote from: Zippee on 07 July 2016, 05:13:07 PM
Very nice armies as usual - lovely looking table, wargaming as it should look.

Although I think you may have muddled your velites and triarii up and got the principes and hastati back to front :)

Probably have muddled them up, really couldn't remember which was which on looking back at the photos,only used the army once before and they are my dads, all I know really is they were Romans ha ha
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: slimreidy1 on 07 July 2016, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: fred. on 07 July 2016, 04:04:31 PM
Very nice, are they 10mm armies?

Yes they are 10mm
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: nikharwood on 07 July 2016, 10:58:12 PM
Very nicely done, very nice indeed 8)
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: FierceKitty on 08 July 2016, 01:50:51 AM
Quote from: slimreidy1 on 07 July 2016, 07:53:20 PM
.... they are my dads....

Gad, what a thought. One father was more than I needed!
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Poggle on 08 July 2016, 03:24:18 AM
Great AAR. Nice figures and set up, too.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 08 July 2016, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 July 2016, 01:50:51 AM
Gad, what a thought. One father was more than I needed!

FK - an immaculately conceived juxtaposition.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Leman on 08 July 2016, 05:24:49 PM
Ooh that apostrophe can be a right little minx.

Republican Romans:

Velites - javelin armed skirmishers - out front.

Hastati - younger members of the heavy infantry. Mix of chest plate and mail. Armed with pila - first line.

Principes - experienced heavy infantry. Armed as above and formed second line.

Triarii - veterans - wore mail and carried a long thrusting spear. They formed the third line reserve. If a battle was going badly it was said to have gone to the Triarii.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 08 July 2016, 06:39:41 PM
Unless they're earlier Republican Roman in which case the velites are shieldless and have a spear plus javelins, the hastati might have pila and possibly a chest plate, the principes will have a spear and chest plate (possibly mail) and the triarii spear and plate or mail.

And except when they're later Republican Roman and hastati, principes and triarii are merged into identical all mail and pila cohorts

It's a constant evolution - we have 4 clear snapshots*, that's about it :)

*Which is approximately 4 clear snapshots more than we have for most ancient armies  ;D
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 July 2016, 08:28:23 PM
Clear: as if in written after the event through slightly rose tinted lenses, that were smeared in finest ghe and dipped in glitter, clear?
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 08 July 2016, 08:33:40 PM
It's that or Caesarean propaganda and self-aggrandisement
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Techno on 09 July 2016, 06:03:29 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 July 2016, 08:28:23 PM
Clear: as if in written after the event through slightly rose tinted lenses, that were smeared in finest ghe and dipped in glitter, clear?

Ghe ?

Lost on that one.  :-\

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 July 2016, 06:59:57 AM
Quote from: Techno on 09 July 2016, 06:03:29 AM
Ghe ?

Lost on that one.  :-\

Cheers - Phil
Sorry, mistyped ghee! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 09 July 2016, 08:41:04 AM
Ghee, the stuff we no longer cook our curries in - staple to Indian cooking, also helps to prevent bloodloss by disabling arteries :)
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 July 2016, 09:51:04 AM
It was never needed for curries; mainly snob value. Where it is useful is in korma cooking. If you've marinaded your meat, chances are there'll be moisture on the surface, and frying may turn to half-hearted stewing. Ghee can, however, be safely heated to a much higher temperature than butter or most neutral oils, so you'll get your caramelised surface to develop into a ravishing flavour.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 July 2016, 09:56:52 AM
I now declare this topic, derailed!  <:-P =D> =O
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Techno on 09 July 2016, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 09 July 2016, 06:59:57 AM
Sorry, mistyped ghee! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee

Ta, Will.

I was trying to figure out if it was a predictive text foul up.....And couldn't guess what it could be.

I've learned something this morning.....Never heard of ghee, until today.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 09 July 2016, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 09 July 2016, 09:51:04 AM
It was never needed for curries; mainly snob value. Where it is useful is in korma cooking. If you've marinaded your meat, chances are there'll be moisture on the surface, and frying may turn to half-hearted stewing. Ghee can, however, be safely heated to a much higher temperature than butter or most neutral oils, so you'll get your caramelised surface to develop into a ravishing flavour.

Nope, base ingredient for cooking absolutely anything* in my wife's family is ghee, whatever you make the base masala from it's fried in ghee.

*well unless making sweets in which case everything is just reduced condensed milk - same effect on arteries :)

Oh and there's never any meat involved - why would you assume there was?
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 July 2016, 01:46:26 PM
As I say, snob value. It's widely used because it's expensive and prestigious.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Zippee on 09 July 2016, 01:56:27 PM
Nope - cultural value, it's what has always been used and thus what is still used in traditional families.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 July 2016, 02:02:27 PM
Explain the difference to me some day.
Title: Re: Mid Roman Republican v Carthaginians battle
Post by: Ithoriel on 09 July 2016, 04:29:47 PM
I can buy ghee locally for less than an equivalent amount of butter, where's the snob value?