Blog post regarding the difference in painting times between the larger and smaller figure scales.
Link
http://battlefieldswarriors.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/painting%20figures
Well argued Norm.
I prefer 10mm for the mass effect. :)
Won't find many dissenting opinions here.
Generally my preference for 28mm figures is for skirmish level games.
Depends on the troops being painted obviously, I can paint a 28mm scale Sumerian faster than a 10mm Napoleonic Voltigeur, but by and large it takes more time to fill an equivalent base size as I go down in scale.
40x20mm is a base size I use a lot. It would hold 2 28mm scale, 4-6 15mm, 8-12 10mm, 20-30 6mm. Fewer, of course, for more modern periods where troop density drops. WW2 bases would have about half that number, for example.
Prep time is longer for the smaller figure, undercoating pretty much the same, painting and tidy-up greater for the smaller figure, basing time is substantially longer for smaller figures, like undercoating varnishing time is much the same regardless as it's done with spray cans.
I use 28mm only for RPGs, 15mm for skirmish, 10mm primarily for Fantasy and WW2 big battle and 6mm for Ancients to Napoleonic big battle.
As this was your last blog post before you announced a 'blog retirement',i just want to say i'm sad to see it end!
I really iked your blog posts, and i think i followed every link you put on here. (i actually found out about the end of your blog because i came back to this post to re-read your article and check out your 28 mm basing. Still can't decide wich way to go for my nappies)
Thanks for the hard work!
Norm, I found the entire TMP thread on links to blogs bizarre
I have been an occasional and always interested visitor to your blog but not a commenter, apologises if this left you feeling unappreciated.
I hope you reallocation of hobby time lets you enjoy the hobby more
Thanks gents, I really don't mind about comments being left or not - I saw red because for the first time I realised there was a group, probably of significant enough size that simply couldn't be bothered to click on a link and had the temerity to suggest I was a lazy blogger because I didn't put pictures in links (to help them think presumably) - not commenting is one thing, but to be called lazy by someone who can't even be bothered to click on a link is just something else. I tend to run the blog for others, rather than it simply being a shorthand place to record my own games for my own pleasure and so the work and effort involved is a fair distraction from others things I could be doing - no doubt I took it all a bit personally.
I was probably hasty in letting a part of the Internet that I should ignore, get under my skin, but a decision is a decision. I will keep some content going at the Commanders website.
Peter, the only Napoleonics I have based (and I like it) for 28's are units of 18 on 3 bases in two ranks of three. The bases are 50mm wide by 40mm deep.This gives enough room for the figure to breathe, while giving a bit of a mass effect. I bought Austrians ..... A lot easier to paint than your Hanovarians :-)
Again thanks - I really like this forum, conduct is always so gentlemanly and friendly.
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Don't let them get to you!
On napoleonics:
The hanoverians where something i had lying about, and just a test to see if i liked painting them at this scale, and how fast they would go. I am mostly interested in Russians.My gaming buddy already has austrians (from victrix), so they would complement each other quite nicely.
I am still not sure if i will go 28 mm though, as i am sorely tempted by 15mm (the only scale i have never used for any project)
I need 4 base-units though, so was looking at either 24 men on 4times 50 X40 like you, or 16 on 4 times 40 x 40 for 28mm or on 30 x 30 bases for 15 mm.
ideally i would go with pendraken, but there is some stuff missing from the range, and as long as i can't find decent comparison pics to complement with other manufacturers i'm gonna skip that. (and i don't like the pose of those russians, seems awkward. Sill looking for clear pics of the other poses though)
The main thing keeping me back, is that i also have a small gaming space, and i feel that 28mm would look too cramped. The table is 7 feet long, so that's good, but it is only 3 feet and 2 inches wide, so that limits me somewhat. And i really don't have the space to go bigger!
I must say that i got my hopes up for this:
http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/napoleonic-british/products/waterloo-black-powder-starter-set
(no picture just a link, but i hope you will click it ;D )
Could have been a promising start, but the fact it only contains rank and file and no command minis makes it completely worthless to me. You can't even buy the hanoverian or french command separately from warlord, so why bother making a set that has no command figures? And the british command, wich they do sell separately, costs 10£ per set. So, pretending they would make them all available separately, you'd be looking at 50£ in command minis. I think it's their way of saying: go buy perry plastic command sprues for your minis ;D ;D
Also, warlord games seems to act as there was nothing besides the battle of waterloo. I checked their russian items, and unless you only want infatry and cannons, you are not getting what you need from them. At least you can get cavalry at the perry twins' site.
Still hoping they do a battle in a box napoleonic style!!!!!!!
Must confess I haven't read your latest bog, and to be honest I tend not to comment on blogs anyway. Perhaps you'll find the urge to blog again.
Quote from: Norm on 12 July 2016, 06:21:48 AM
Again thanks - I really like this forum, conduct is always so gentlemanly and friendly.
Yes. Worrying, isn't it?
I blame the moderators. They do a good job keeping the forum on track. It does mean that I can't even say that Westmarcher is a
See what I mean? Moderators are in like a flash!
Come on, it's easy. He's a
By George, sir, you're right!
Peter, Glad you did not include a picture with the link as I would have refused to click on it :-)
The Warlord package looks pretty good to me for its money, but their boxes are not as complete as the Perry ACW battle box - I bought their Caesar / Gaul package and that has shields but no decal transfers - which of course you do get if you buy the individual boxes, I thought that was a real let down. The soft back rule book will be welcome to some, but no doubt have smaller print.
Quote from: fsn on 12 July 2016, 08:41:53 AM
See what I mean? Moderators are in like a flash!
:P
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Norm on 12 July 2016, 10:13:31 AM
Peter, Glad you did not include a picture with the link as I would have refused to click on it :-)
The Warlord package looks pretty good to me for its money, but their boxes are not as complete as the Perry ACW battle box - I bought their Caesar / Gaul package and that has shields but no decal transfers - which of course you do get if you buy the individual boxes, I thought that was a real let down. The soft back rule book will be welcome to some, but no doubt have smaller print.
Yes indeed, with the rulebook factored in, they seem like a good deal, but there is so much missing that it makes it not right for me (the command, but also the flags for example). Also if you factor in that i don't want to use black powder, it's really not my cup of tea. Off course, to each his own. I can see the set being great value if you use big units though, enanbling you to put the models in the box to use with your other regiments!
Yes, in that regard it seems to be confused as to whether it is a starter set or a cheap expansion set.
On the blog closure - now I'm going to be listening to Cinderella's "Don't know what you got till it's gone" all afternoon :) Shame, it was an interesting read (even if I don't think I commented...). Always feel slightly wierd about commenting on blogs, as they're so much more personal feeling, as if I'm some odd random wierdo turning up in your living room. "Hi, you don't know me but I'm here to talk about <strike>Jesus</strike> 10mm T-34's and pointy sticks..."
Anyway, on scale - I've found 28mm's can be quick as quick if you're, errr, quick - undercoat/basecoat, block paint, wash, done. If you're being detailed on very detailed figures, then it's an age - what you can do fairly basically or impressionistically on smaller scale and let the eye draw the details when en mass actually has to be painted "properly". And there's more room for getting carried away...
Also, the Battle of Waterloo set is... weird. Not enough of anything for a battle for either side? Or is a minor sub-action part, where an understrength French Brigade sans guns supported by cavalry is going in against a combined British/Hanoverian brigade with mo cavalry but that does have artillery in support? I'd have thought two sets of "equal"-ish for each side would be better?!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 12 July 2016, 11:36:54 AM
Also, the Battle of Waterloo set is... weird. Not enough of anything for a battle for either side? Or is a minor sub-action part, where an understrength French Brigade sans guns supported by cavalry is going in against a combined British/Hanoverian brigade with mo cavalry but that does have artillery in support? I'd have thought two sets of "equal"-ish for each side would be better?!
Yes, they could have easily swapped the artillery for a box of warlord plastic hussars.
My guess is that they did it like that to have a bit of everything in the box to learn the rules (it is a starter set).
Quote from: toxicpixie on 12 July 2016, 11:36:54 AM
On the blog closure - now I'm going to be listening to Cinderella's "Don't know what you got till it's gone" all afternoon :)
Only read the blog occasionally but liked what I read so yep ...
I think Norm really hit it on the head! ;)
Quote from: Norm on 12 July 2016, 10:41:07 AM
Yes, in that regard it seems to be confused as to whether it is a starter set or a cheap expansion set.
The box makes the perfect expansion set. Allows for a lot of troops to add to your already built Battalions if you want to make them bigger. Other than this I agree with the general consensus. Its like making a chicken casserole and leaving out the chicken :D
I have the Perry ACW box and it is the perfect starter set. It has the perfect balance and mix of troop types, terrain (house) etc to get anyone well started if they are new to the ACW period.
anyway, my 2c or if your in Canada I owe you money for the comment!
Indeed, the perry box looks great!
The warlord one only really needs command figures, the terrain is not crucial to a starter box in my opinion.
Yeah, a few command figures for each unit would be nice... especially as they've included a nice "C-in-C" figure for each side!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 13 July 2016, 12:17:52 PM
Yeah, a few command figures for each unit would be nice... especially as they've included a nice "C-in-C" figure for each side!
might be an idea to buy a box of victrix for each side. I think those come with 12 command models :-\
That'd be nicely workable, I assume they're in scale/style!
Not that I want any 28mm Nappies, but it's nice to talk :D
I want nappies, i am just choosing scales :D
I must add that i just started painting 10 british infantrymen in belgic shako from warlord, like the ones in that starter set. I have started at 11 today, and have put about an hour and a half of time in so far, and i just have to do the piping,metal bits, skin, hair and the regimental colour on the collar and cuffs and they are finished. (apart from the backpacks, i paint these separately)
Quote from: petercooman on 13 July 2016, 02:53:57 PM
I want nappies, i am just choosing scales :D
Cut out the middle-man and get some that are already painted ;)
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,14546.msg207986.html#msg207986
:)
In the words of master Yoda, 'want, i do, pay , i cannot' ;D ;D
"No cannot is there. Buy, or buy more."
"Stolen my throat lozenges someone has. Strong has the Dark Side become."
So i got the 10 guys finished.
As said, started yesterday just before noon. 1,5 hour of painting, then started again at 9 pm untill 1 am (with regular breaks to grab a smoke and make a cup of coffee, refresh the forum and all that), and just put in another 30 minutes to varnish and attach the backpacks, and paint a piece i had forgotten.
Fairly quick if i say so myself. In comparison, i take around 3 evenings to paint a 30 man acw pack with command.
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC03723_zpshfbahqwq.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC03723_zpshfbahqwq.jpg.html)
With their hanoverian friends
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC03724_zps8zwic8ur.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC03724_zps8zwic8ur.jpg.html)
Did a few things different this time, just basecoat wash on the faces, no highlight afterwards, and no grey wash on the straps. Still looks ok i think
Looks more than okay to me :)
You're cracking on nicely there, then!
Look good to me
Thanks all!
Quote from: petercooman on 13 July 2016, 02:53:57 PM
I want nappies, i am just choosing scales :D
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Unless there are freebies.
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You - respected - by whom, they must need more frog pills.
IanS ;)
I respect FSN!
He is a font of wisdom!
Sometimes slightly yellowed wisdom, delivered via dried frog pill, but wisdom nonetheless!
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I respect FSN!
He is a font of wisdom!
And a damn fine chap. (Especially when he sends me samples of his latest pills. ;))
Cheers - Phil
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Quote from: toxicpixie on 13 July 2016, 12:17:52 PM
Yeah, a few command figures for each unit would be nice... especially as they've included a nice "C-in-C" figure for each side!
Seems they heard us:
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-waterloo-starter-set-plus-french-and-british-command/
Sensible move :D
Although that's then another fifty quid for five command bases :S
Quote from: toxicpixie on 04 August 2016, 09:52:41 AM
Sensible move :D
Although that's then another fifty quid for five command bases :S
Just reel 'em in! ;D ;D ;D
I still think the sensible way would be to buy perry command sprues and use the spare hanoverian heads to make a hanoverian command.
:D Good plan.
Or, go with 2mm - I can probably do you Waterloo in it's entirety for about the same price :D