Ok chaps, little question.
I was looking at one hour wargames again, and noticed that depending on where you look, it has a different front cover.
The most common one is this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f4C_2DyhaXA/VhBD56AW8DI/AAAAAAAASrU/OWKeLkeUdHI/s1600/Books26-09-14-02.jpg)
But sometimes you find this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61-vjkXFfvL._SX345_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Is there a difference? Like second edition or other print runs or something? Or are they the same book with another cover? :-\
I don't know if this helps. I have the Kindle version (which has the first cover) and Amazon show the second cover as the printed version.
Based on the "look inside" both appear to have the same publishing data.
Ok thanks.
I have searching a bit, and i read somewhere that when it was first advertized, the cover was different from the retail version, maybe that is why?
I have a print version with the, frankly, rather dull WWII cover (as everyone knows I just can't game anything post-1925). I find the second cover much more appealing to the wargamer. The top cover looks like a child's game of toy soldiers for the average eight year old. What were the publishers thinking?
Maybe the second cover had to much stuff in it, and didn't show "for those with limited time and space' enough...
Mind you, i find the second cover very nice!
I like the first cover - but then I do like the KV-1 :-) , but more to the point,it does look like a unique shot, while the second shot just looks like any one of 500 shots that have ever graced the front of a mag or some-such.
Quote from: Norm on 11 June 2016, 09:20:27 PM
I like the first cover - but then I do like the KV-1 :-) , but more to the point,it does look like a unique shot, while the second shot just looks like any one of 500 shots that have ever graced the front of a mag or some-such.
I'm with you on this Norm.
Well, i like the second one better, but that's only because i'm interested in the book for horse and musket games ;D
BKC is still my go-to ruleset for WW2.
The whole point to fighting WWII looks as though it's about to be unravelled by the xenophobia of the average dingbat known as the British public - see Marseilles.
Quote from: Leman on 12 June 2016, 07:22:22 AM
The whole point to fighting WWII looks as though it's about to be unravelled by the xenophobia of the average dingbat known as the British public - see Marseilles.
Explaining to simple-minded foreigner this thing, pliss?
Think he's chatin bout Vote Leave, and ginin us Bouncin Boris as PM. Even Cameroon is betterer dan dat.
IanS
Quote from: petercooman on 11 June 2016, 09:38:45 PM
Well, i like the second one better, but that's only because i'm interested in the book for horse and musket games ;D
BKC is still my go-to ruleset for WW2.
My copy has the tank rider picture - but I think the horse and musket picture is more representative of the rules
Yes, from what i have read, the system looks odd to use for ww2.
Could be mistaken though, don't have them yet, but there are a lot of AAR's for the rules with horse and musket era forces, and almost none with ww2 (and1) forces, so they might be unpopular for that period.
The rules cover the whole spectrum of historical warfare and are unit based. The tank picture, clearly showing a skirmish-style game, has nothing to do with the book's contents. If a close up was required, then a painting, a la Osprey, would have been a better bet.
Still can't decide to go for the One hour wargames book, the napoleonic book or the 19th century book :-\
How is hand to hand in all books? I read somewhere that in the One hour wargames book,for horse and musket, only cavalry can charge into hand to hand. Is this correct?
And how is this in the other books?
The one hour Wargames book is worth it for the scenarios.
I put books like this on my Amazon wish list then at Xmas and birthdays my family will tend to buy them as a gift for me!
Quote from: fred. on 12 June 2016, 10:10:58 AM
The one hour Wargames book is worth it for the scenarios.
I put books like this on my Amazon wish list then at Xmas and birthdays my family will tend to buy them as a gift for me!
Yes, but i'm looking at buying the lot, but just the one that i will use as paper copy, and the rest to skim through as e books. I just like to have the one i will use most as a physical copy. Easier to flick through when playing.
Depends on what period you want them for. Don't have the Napoleonic, but have the other two. The one hour generally gives a game of about 40 minutes if used as is, but the scenarios can be developed for use with other rules. The C19th gives some very good games based on bathtubbed historical scenarios. I have played The Alma, Nachod, Kissingen and Mars la Tours from the book, and they were all very enjoyable. I did change the formation of moving infantry from a one base wide column to a 2x2 base formation, simply because it was more aesthetically pleasing. Of the two, the C19th is the one I would go for in hard copy. Incidentally, although very pretty, none of the photographs in the book are based and formed for his rules.
Well, i am interested in 3 periods.
-I game the ACW with severed union, and have played a couple of games with my group, but we never get to finish the game because we don't have enough time. So i would want to try these out. I based them 8 men per 40X20 base, so three bases would give a 12 cm frontage, wich fits in his suggested base front (In OHW) of 4-6 inches.
-Would also try some napoleonic battles, but that's not a must. I painted the last pieces of my 2mm napoleon forces last night, and will try the 2by2 rules this evening. If i like them, the napoleonic itch will be duly scratched, and bigger scale napoleonics will go on the back burner.
-The ECW looks interesting, but not something i want to do BIG. So the small forces look like they would be what i want.
I am still going back and forth on what i want. I like basic impetus, so there is the option of doing these in one of the impetus variants. The one thing that holds me back is the one base=one unit style of impetus. I like having multiple bases per unit, and depicting the formations.
I have seen a preview of the OHW book and there was an optional rule for forming square. That's the sort of thing i like. Sadly that is not to be found in impetus.
Come to think of it, AWI seems a likely candidate too....
And maybe anglo zulu war. Does that work with these rules?
I guess what i'm actually looking for is an excuse to buy small armies of 28mm perry sculpts :D
Well I've just ordered the book as the scenarios and campaign system sound interesting, plus they might make ideal rules for quick pick up games when time is limited. I can see my Red & Blue coloured blocks getting an outing soon...
Quote from: Steve J on 12 June 2016, 01:25:20 PM
Well I've just ordered the book as the scenarios and campaign system sound interesting, plus they might make ideal rules for quick pick up games when time is limited. I can see my Red & Blue coloured blocks getting an outing soon...
Well, my 2 mm napoleonic armies are essentialy red and blue blocks too ;D
And they are getting an outing tonight :D
For the ECW why not go Lorenzo Satori's Basic Baroque. It certainly was a free download with army lists as well.
Quote from: Leman on 12 June 2016, 03:58:16 PM
For the ECW why not go Lorenzo Satori's Basic Baroque. It certainly was a free download with army lists as well.
See my above comment:
Quote from: petercooman on 12 June 2016, 12:41:44 PM
I am still going back and forth on what i want. I like basic impetus, so there is the option of doing these in one of the impetus variants. The one thing that holds me back is the one base=one unit style of impetus. I like having multiple bases per unit, and depicting the formations.
I have seen a preview of the OHW book and there was an optional rule for forming square. That's the sort of thing i like. Sadly that is not to be found in impetus.
Since basic baroque is an impetus variant i think the same things are true? Or are they different?
Basic Baroque and Baroque have three bases to a unit. The standard ECW infantry unit is two bases of musketeers to one base of pike. See Fat Wally's site for what these look like in 15mm:
www.fat-wally.com
Quote from: Leman on 12 June 2016, 09:00:47 PM
Basic Baroque and Baroque have three bases to a unit. The standard ECW infantry unit is two bases of musketeers to one base of pike. See Fat Wally's site for what these look like in 15mm:
www.fat-wally.com
Interesting, i thought they were also a one base per unit affair :-\
Well, i haven't played 2by2 after all today, been reading reviews of the different Neil Thomas books. Curse you internet!!