Ok guys and gals (do we have Gals on here???),
I have a dumby question which I know the answer is out there. :-[
What is the Malburian Period. What were the campaigns, battles fought and did they all wear similar style of uniform?
Truth is I am not familiar with the period. Does this include GNW, War of Austrian Succession and the SYW???
I have been wading through the Pendraken store for over a month now to try and decide what I wanted to paint next. Romans.... SYW Russians..... Vikings..... Saxons...... WW@ 8th Army...... so little time, sop many decisions. :-\
But then through a stroke of luck I picked up about 400 Pendraken Malburian figs for $100. Sorry Leon !!!
Will post this elsewhere as well so apologies now!
Cheers and Thanks,
Scott
It sort of helped me decide what period of the Pendraken range to try out next. Although I am not sure if I know anything about it. ;)
Term often used in UK to refer to the War of the Spanish Succession. GNW is usually considered separate. Uniforms are broadly applicable up to 1730s, and possibly a bit further for the French, but not really for something as late as the SYW. Campaigns took place in Belgium/Netherlands/Northern France and Spain, and N Italy, and Westerna no Southern Germany. More or less anywhere that bordered France really! Big battles include Marlborough's 'Big Four', Blenheim, Ramillies, Oudenarde, Malplaquet, Amon others. Uniforms are largely similar in cut for all nations, but with occasional differences. Most noticeable ones are grenadiers hats, which come in a bewildering variety!
Good luck,, it is a fun and colourful period.
Mollinary
Mollinary is generally right but not necessarily on the GNW. Many of the participants in the GNW war were standard Marlburian type armies and many fought in both wars - Saxons, Danes, Prussians, Holstieners, Dutch and Hanoverians. While the Russians, for example, are also mainly in Marlburian style uniforms but have some specialist troops - i.e. you would probably have to get a few extra packs to convert what you have to Russians.
As mentioned the key to which army/armies you can do is probably the grenadiers. So if the figures are still in bags look to see if you have any MAL 7, 8, 9 or 10. If they are not in bags or labeled then look to see if you have infantry not in the standard tricorne hat. If you then come back with which of these you have we can probably help more.
I just noticed you put extra info in another post.
You said -
QuoteIf it does include the GNW I might do either the Swedes or Russians.
So to expand on my previous post I am afraid that the Swedes were the one nation who did wear strikingly different uniforms. They wore uniforms similar to SYW uniforms. But you could do Russians with some additional figures and possible not using some you have. The Russians were still using pikes and so you would need some of these. They also normally have Cossacks. The grenadiers have hats similar to MAL 7 and some units had a felt hat. But you don't need to have either of these if you don't want to. So if you get some pikes and Cossacks you should eb able to do a basic Russian army with what you have.
If you have other grenadiers and some other types, for example Austrian cuirassiers then you can't use these.
Quote from: Hwiccee on 10 June 2016, 02:17:29 PM
Mollinary is generally right but not necessarily on the GNW. Many of the participants in the GNW war were standard Marlburian type armies and many fought in both wars - Saxons, Danes, Prussians, Holstieners, Dutch and Hanoverians.
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Don't disagree with any of this, Hwiccee. I was only saying GNW is not usually termed Marlburian. Which I think I would stand by!
Mollinary
I usually think of Marlburian as the first fifteen years of the C18th. Plenty big enough as it is more than twice the length of the SYW. Wouldn't consider the GNW part of it at all.
Quote from: mollinary on 10 June 2016, 01:15:42 PM
Uniforms are largely similar in cut for all nations, but without casino all differences.
Don't you just love this auto/correct/predictive text software? The above casino rubbish should, of course, read "but with occasional differences". :D :)
Mollinary
You do take a bit of a gamble with predictive text.
Quote from: mollinary on 10 June 2016, 03:42:47 PM
Don't you just love this auto/correct/predictive text software? The above casino rubbish should, of course, read "but with occasional differences". :D :)
Fixed that for you.
8)
The list.
MAL 1 Foot Tricorn March Attack 64 figures
MAL 2 Foot Tricorn Marching 62 figures
MAL 4 Foot Tricorn Port Musket 63 figures
MAL 5 Foot Tricorn Firing 64 figures
MAL 6 Foot Tricorn Command. 60 figures
MAL 7 Grenadier cloth mitre British 32 figures
MAL 9 Grenadier short mitre Prussian 32 figures
MAL 10 Grenadier March Attack Germans in French Service 64 figures
MAL 11 Cavalry Tricorn 64 figures
MAL 12 Mounted Dragoons. 32 figures
MAL 13 Mounted Command 2 packs
MAL 15 6pdr gun, limber, horses, crew 1 pack
MAL 16 9pdr gun, limber, horses, crew 2packs
Cheers
OK so most of what you have is usable as most armies, the grenadiers being the exceptions. You are probably a bit short on cavalry generally and will probably want to get more at some point - about 1/3rd cavalry is uaul in these days. You also probably have too many grenadiers. I suspect the biggest problem will be the MAL 10 grenadiers. Not too many nations had these and you have a lot.
If you did want to go for Russians you could use the MAL 7 grenadiers as there grenadiers and get some pikes.
You could do a 'British' army using the MAL 7 and 8 grenadiers. Possibly with some of the MAL 10 as Austrians who wear fur tht are a bit like these.
You could do a Franco Bavarian army with the MAL 10's as Bavarian and German grenadiers but I suspect that would still leave a lot of spare grenadiers.
Also of course you could do some combination of the above.
Or..... you could just do Marlburian and not have all that arsing around.
Or reset to the SYW, which lets you fight from Canada to India (inclusive) and includes horse artillery, more widespread hussars, some light cavalry lancers, and light infantry. Don't gwt to use Churchill any more, but with Frederick instead, who cares? ;)
Good point FK. I've never bothered with Marlburian thanks to the SYW (and WAS).
Thx all, figured the list might help with your recommendations.
So would it be safe to say I could do them as an Austro-Hungarian Army from the SYW? I actually have some very good books on uniforms of this Army . I imagine that something like the British Grenadiers may not fit and I will need to put them aside for some other plan.
Thx all.
Use the British grenadiers as other Germanics (Prussians, Hannoverians, etc.). The furry mitre was mainly used by Austrians, French, and some few Prussian Freikorps, as far as I know.
Thx FK... Ok have a plan forming. Once it is finished I will post it here.
Cheers,
Scott
If you are not bothered by the difference in uniforms between the early 18th century and the SYW, I suppose you could use them. Personally it would not work for me.
There's 50 years difference between 7yw and WSS.
There are many more sites for you to gain knowledge but as initial step simply google ;)
7yw https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wss+uniforms&biw=1346&bih=562&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi37IXyvqfNAhUjC8AKHXYNAoMQsAQIIg#tbm=isch&q=7yw+uniforms (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wss+uniforms&biw=1346&bih=562&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi37IXyvqfNAhUjC8AKHXYNAoMQsAQIIg#tbm=isch&q=7yw+uniforms)
WSS https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wss+uniforms&biw=1346&bih=562&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi37IXyvqfNAhUjC8AKHXYNAoMQsAQIIg# (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wss+uniforms&biw=1346&bih=562&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi37IXyvqfNAhUjC8AKHXYNAoMQsAQIIg#)
Hope that is of some help :)
Rob
:( Ok so which of these two periods SYW or WSS would the Malburian style uniform be better suited too?
WSS is much closer.
I am sorry, I obviously didn't make myself clear in my first response to this question. Marlburian IS the WSS! So ALL these figures would be suitable for it. The SYW is about half a century later and almost all armies (exception being the French for the start of the war) now have uniforms with lapels, or turn backs, or both.
Hope this helps,
Mollinary
Ok :D
Thanks Molinary. That makes it very clear. I am very familiar with the SYW, I have 28mm Austrians and did a lot of research on the period. I have, as. I mentioned some very good reference books (Digby Smith) for the history and painting reference. The term Malburian I had seen and also the Pendraken figures but didn't really understand the period of warfare, post pike and Shotte pre SYW is what I am starting to get an idea of.
Cheers, keep the comments coming.....
Is any one playing Imaginations for WSS or League of Augsburg period?
Using the Ideas in Charge! rules, as there is no difference in troops on the table you can use any army from 1685 up to and including SYW or even AWI.
You are allocated a State and then you plan to defend against your greedy neighbours or Invade the unwary.
The Palatinate has more princes, Dukes and Electors than you can shake a sword at.
the most up to date rules are Sharp Practice covering the start of the black powder era to the ACW.
You can use them in a multi-player game or solo play and there is a role playing add on.
I think I may try League of Augsberg as the army packs are more or less balanced, but do a little research on uniforms to see who had what. the idea is a fun game for me so if I want to use Austrian flags for imperial troops, then why not?
add a mounted command they look great
Wasn't Leonard Nimoy a Marlburian?
No!
Quite definatly, a Republican.
Or a Democrat
I thought they all wore cowboy hats in Marlborough country.
Good grief !
You're going back a few decades, Andy ! ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
1952 was a good year Phil.
:P ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
- QE2 becomes Q
- Liam Neeson born
- Batista takes power in Cuba
- Dr. Kwame Nkrumah is elected Prime Minister of the Gold Coast.
- Sweden orders Centurion tanks
- Singin' in the Rain
... and
Leman is born, you numpties.
And ?
You're a massive bigot against anyone who isn't English. Not that anyone is in this mixed up cauldron!