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Title: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 08 June 2016, 11:34:40 AM
I decided to begin a page on my blog dedicated to it

http://phdleadhead.blogspot.com.tr/p/the-great-19th-century-pendraken-proxy.html (http://phdleadhead.blogspot.com.tr/p/the-great-19th-century-pendraken-proxy.html)

Keep your eye on it
KT
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 08 June 2016, 06:40:47 PM
Straight off my head KT is the 1866 Austrian in greatcoat and Shako for early 1914 Belgian line infantry.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 08 June 2016, 06:47:58 PM
The Belgians do have a committed range, so I will try to use the proxies for armies with no ranges. Next set will be using Italian and French figures for the Argentinian and Paraguayan armies of the War of Triple Alliance.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 09 June 2016, 07:36:40 AM
The Pendraken Belgians are only in the Yser uniform so are not really very useful for pre-Marne activities.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 09 June 2016, 12:41:06 PM
Oh my you are quite right. I guess I now know what to paint my lone Austrian as.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 09 June 2016, 01:33:39 PM
Whereas, of course, the lancers are in the czapka, abandoned well before the adoption of the Yser uniform.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 13 June 2016, 05:16:53 PM
The blog has been updated. Paraguayans, Brits, Belgians Early 1914, and German Legion 1848-1849
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 13 June 2016, 06:12:33 PM
They are looking good KT and hopefully will inspire more people to try these periods in 10mm. The Canadian cavalry in the pill box cap (CM8) would also make useful British home service cavalry.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 14 June 2016, 01:46:58 PM
Updated with Belgians and Swiss for 1871, Danes 1864, Italian 1866, and Uruguayans for the War of the Triple Alliance.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 22 June 2016, 04:48:08 PM
Updated with 1864 Swedes, Hungarian Honved 1848-1849, Various attempts at Greeks 1897, Romanians 1877/1878 plus straight Prussian Jaegers and Wurttemburgers 1870
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: paulr on 22 June 2016, 09:54:28 PM
Looking very interesting, keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: pierre the shy on 23 June 2016, 09:17:06 AM
Very interesting KT, thanks for the information and a very good blog...amazing number of C19 battles that I've never heard of  :)

Quote from: Leman on 09 June 2016, 07:36:40 AM
The Pendraken Belgians are only in the Yser uniform so are not really very useful for pre-Marne activities.

Okay Leman - can you expand on your recommendations for depicting the Belgians as at the outbreak of war (as at the time of the battle of Halen) in 10mm? I realise that there are other 10/12mm manufacturers who do "WW1 Belgians" but can one depict the Cavalry Division and 4th Mixed Brigade plus attached Artillery and Caraibiner Cyclists units "accurately" using PM figures from their C19 and WW1 ranges, or will it have to be a mix from more than one manufacturing source? (e.g dog carts for the MG's?)

I have all the Germans that are needed for the opposition already  ;)

Cheers
Peter

Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 23 June 2016, 03:44:40 PM
Given that I gave up on this in the end and went 15mm instead, here are some suggestions:

a) Belgian infantry in greatcoat and shako - Pendraken 1866 Austrian infantry, Irregular Belgian infantry

b) Dog carts with machine guns - Irregular

c) Guides cavalry - Pendraken

d) Lancer cavalry - Pendraken

e)Chasseur cavalry - Pendraken FPW French Chasseur d'Afrique

f) Howitzer - Irregular

g) Chasseur infantry - Austrian 1866 jager, but you would have to trim the feathers from the hat.

h) Minerva armoured car - there is a 12mm one available from a Dutch or Belgian firm. Afraid I can't remember which but I'm sure someone else on the forum knows.

Not sure how you would source cyclists in 10mm. Irregular also include in their 10mm range a machine gun, 75mm gun and a range of infantry and staff officers. If you can get hold of a 10mm figure in peakless cap and greatcoat (possibly Crimean Russian) then you would have a proxy for the Belgian guard infantry - not a really great one and the command figures in the pack are in  helmets.

Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: pierre the shy on 23 June 2016, 07:55:36 PM
Thanks Leman.....l appreciate your inputs.
I have a link to the Belgian armoured cars ;)

Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 23 June 2016, 10:49:26 PM
Hello PtS

There's the Pendraken German and Japanese WW2 cyclists:-

(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2010/may/944173b.jpg)
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/GR45.jpg)

The only cyclists I know of, apart from these, are the Pithead ones but they are in greatcoat and Adrian.

Nothing easily proxisifiable. (Shhh....I'm waiting for FK)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: paulr on 23 June 2016, 11:37:06 PM
Pierre the Shy already has some of the Germans pretending to be German WW1 Jager ;)
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: pierre the shy on 24 June 2016, 01:50:38 AM
Yes have the converted Jagers that  Paul did for me. Very nice job  :)

I have a cunning plan to take care of the Belgian Cyclist Carabinier battalion  ;)
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Ithoriel on 24 June 2016, 02:29:08 AM
For cyclists one option is to use infantry with model railway "N" scale bicycles scattered on the base to represent the unit in action.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 05 July 2016, 10:15:24 AM
It has been updated with Balkan Wars Ottomans

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8d1XoIjxepI/V3uDiet_1mI/AAAAAAAAHVQ/VqeLWogNbUc1ezo9rX_c2X7g_B5AwQ0JACLcB/s1600/Ottoman%2BBalkan%2BWars.png)

And that most elusive proxy of all

GREEK EVZONES 1897

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8d1XoIjxepI/V3uDiet_1mI/AAAAAAAAHVQ/VqeLWogNbUc1ezo9rX_c2X7g_B5AwQ0JACLcB/s1600/Ottoman%2BBalkan%2BWars.png)
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 05 July 2016, 02:55:07 PM
From those close-up photos they look like some of the old style metal 54mm soldiers I used to play with as a kid in the 50s.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: KTravlos on 05 July 2016, 04:38:15 PM
Oh my those were too close

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8d1XoIjxepI/V3uDiet_1mI/AAAAAAAAHVQ/VqeLWogNbUc1ezo9rX_c2X7g_B5AwQ0JACLcB/s640/Ottoman%2BBalkan%2BWars.png)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pqSW3w-C-6k/V3uD702y_UI/AAAAAAAAHVU/N9DymmUaiAUuNRvuSTHnJvRv9poroWBlwCLcB/s640/1897%2BEvzonas.png)
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: Leman on 05 July 2016, 06:07:47 PM
Nice to see the Evzones proxies now.
Title: Re: 1816-1914 Proxies
Post by: JeffNNN on 10 July 2016, 01:00:16 PM
Have been reading about Bavarians at start of WW1 in Zuber's book about the Bavarians. This mentions the use by Bavarian Landwehr and Ersatz units of the 1873 Krupp guns. Can anyone suggest a suitable proxy for these?

Have wondered about the Egyptian artillery in the Sudan range but can't be sure from the picture whether this would do. If not is there anything else?

Jeff