Wouldn't normally recommend this one, but for those of us being plagued by Windows 10, catch yesterday's "You and Yours" [Radio 4], via I player or the web site.
IanS
Yes it was very good. Wish i'd heard it before the W10 virus forced its way onto my PC. :(
(http://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Windows_update_suck.jpg)
I found that almost immediately Google stopped working. W10 turned off the neccessary files and i had to run a Winsock reset to get it going again.
NSFW (from the outset and throughout)
Quote from: ianrs54 on 28 May 2016, 07:56:50 AM
Wouldn't normally recommend this one, but for those of us being plagued by Windows 10, catch yesterday's "You and Yours" [Radio 4], via I player or the web site.
IanS
Here's the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07bt4wj (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07bt4wj)
But... but... but I like it!
I was reading an interesting article on the BBC website the other day about this. Apparently Microsoft had changed the way the Win10 update window worked, so when you clicked the red 'X' as usual, that click actually confirmed your permission for the update to be run on your computer. This bit concerned me as I've continually closed down the pop-ups on my laptop at home, but so far I've not been hit with a forced upgrade.
For those fighting against it, the 'free' upgrade period ends on 26th July, so in theory the forced upgrades will stop after that. They will of course be replaced with continuous 'Upgrade now for only £xx!' pop-ups instead...
Quote from: Leon on 28 May 2016, 06:09:55 PM
They will of course be replaced with continuous 'Upgrade now for only £xx!' pop-ups instead...
'Upgrade now for only £xx per calendar month!' I suspect.
Not convinced the "free" version won't suddenly require a pcm payment if you want it to keep working too.
I'll wait and upgrade to Win12 :)
Quote from: Last Hussar on 28 May 2016, 05:06:07 PM
But... but... but I like it!
I don't !
That's why I'm getting teed off with Microsoft trying to put me on it for a second time.
Ian's post at the top of the page seems to back up Mike's 'find' about 'Never 10'.
Might download that after Radio 4's pet expert gave it the thumbs up.
But will Microsoft be looking for a way around that ? :-\
I'll just keep monitoring the updates and deleting the appropriate ones.
Quote from: Leon on 28 May 2016, 06:09:55 PM
I was reading an interesting article on the BBC website the other day about this. Apparently Microsoft had changed the way the Win10 update window worked, so when you clicked the red 'X' as usual, that click actually confirmed your permission for the update to be run on your computer. This bit concerned me as I've continually closed down the pop-ups on my laptop at home, but so far I've not been hit with a forced upgrade.
I'm as certain as I can be that I never 'gave them permission' to download Windows 10...So that sound quite feasible. >:(
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Leon on 28 May 2016, 06:09:55 PM
For those fighting against it, the 'free' upgrade period ends on 26th July, so in theory the forced upgrades will stop after that. They will of course be replaced with continuous 'Upgrade now for only £xx!' pop-ups instead...
I've upgraded to Windows 10 and it still all seems to work #:-S so don't get those pop ups #:-S
I have, however, started getting pop ups telling me I'm not using the latest Microsoft Office, 'Upgrade now for only...' ~X( =;
I'm sticking with XP :D
Quote from: Ithoriel on 28 May 2016, 06:31:30 PM
I'll wait and upgrade to Win12 :)
I thought Windows 10 was the last one they were going to produce? Just updates from here on in.
I like XP and still use it, but it is unsupported and getting slower processing stuff :(. Time for a replacement me-thinks...
As for Windows 10, I too thought that this was the last one to be produced with updates from then on... :-\
I believe that any 'upgrades' after 10 will be more like 'fixes' rather than a mega hyped launch of a new OS.
Apparently the Chinese are well teed off about 10 being forced onto them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36397835
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 29 May 2016, 07:30:53 AM
I believe that any 'upgrades' after 10 will be more like 'fixes' rather than a mega hyped launch of a new OS.
Cheers - Phil
Either MS is getting out of the PC OS market - in which case how long is Win10 support going to continue?
Or it needs to monetise Win 10 - in which case how much are those upgrades going to cost?
Or will use the OS as a loss leader to persuade you, or at least to persuade businesses, to use their cloud-based software ... for a fee.
I'm willing to pay later for the opportunity to see what happens when the mouse ahead of me takes the cheese from that wooden board and metal spring thingy :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 29 May 2016, 12:29:00 PM
Either MS is getting out of the PC OS market - in which case how long is Win10 support going to continue?
Or it needs to monetise Win 10 - in which case how much are those upgrades going to cost?
Or will use the OS as a loss leader to persuade you, or at least to persuade businesses, to use their cloud-based software ... for a fee.
I'm willing to pay later for the opportunity to see what happens when the mouse ahead of me takes the cheese from that wooden board and metal spring thingy :)
1. Pass.
2. I
wonder. :-\
3. They seem to be slowly winding up to that already, I reckon, Mike.
4. I like your thinking. ;)
Cheers - Phil
I'm happy with my Windows 7. Don't play games so no need of any bigger, better, faster add ons, just puttering along nicely, thank you.
MickS
That's exactly my view, Mick.
Cheers - Phil
I got ticked off with Microsoft and all its works long ago and switched to Linux. My wife is getting these Windows 10 'upgrade' attempts on her laptop all the time, even though I disabled the download function. >:(
I was happy with W10 until the Start menu kept going wrong. MS know about the problem (apparently a "bad" upgrade) but doesn't want to fix it themselves. I ended up downloading an app to replace the MS Start menu. Much happier now, well I was until certain apps stopped running for my wife. Ended up downloading a very old version of the Windows calulator as she had run out of toes..
I had that "start" button problem. Fixed it, then a couple of updates later it went again.
I don't bother now. I prefer to right click the windows button. Less ... showy.
Before I reverted to Windows 8......Even right clicking the start button didn't help !
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Last Hussar on 28 May 2016, 05:06:07 PM
But... but... but I like it!
Got to agree (a bit!) - loathed Windows 8; 8.1 was still crap! 10's not perfect, but it's at least a reasonably tolerable approximation of the proper Windows of yester yore (that I vaguely understood how to do stuff on)... ;)
Cheers!
Meirion
I've been happy with 10, except for the Start menu issues (now fixed, thus far...) and the Calculator going kaput. Which this thread just reminded me to check, and it now works again! Hurrah for updates!
I've got a Windows 7 laptop which I use for most things and have been plagued by MS urging me to upgrade for free, however given the age and power of the hardware I'm not going to touch it.
I've recently bought a new laptop with W10 pre-installed, mostly for photo work as my old one won't run the latest version of Lightroom. It works fine, although Bing is a pain and I'm slowly getting used to it but I'm fortunate that I'm not dependent on W10 upgrade on a dodgy hardware platform with a lot of old programs.
One solution I've heard advocated is to get a W10 machine then run W7, XP or whatever inside it as a virtual machine however I would only think this is viable if the W10 machine was new, reasonably high spec and the W10 was a factory install.
I'm pretty certain that my next major upgrade will be to a big iMac, I always went for PCs because I've worked with them for years, but my job's changed and I haven't done PC support/development for years and I no longer need to run the same versions of MS Office at home as I have at work. W10 is as alien to me as Mac OS, however I won't be moving on for 3 or 4 years when my current W10 laptop dies or won't run the next version of the MS software.
Bring back 3.1 and DOS CLI :D
No - we need paper tape and punch cards.
IanS
Punch cards made excellent paper darts. In an experiment in my first job, we clocked one at over 100mph when fired from a specially created catapult. :D We were waiting for a server upgrde to complete, so had lots of time to waste.
Part of my job is training people in Data Protection. A fun part (yes it is) of this is looking at how computers were in 1998 (when the act came out) then rolling forward to now. Many changes!
Punch cards - the ultimate shopping list notepad
Punched tape - first computer security password system I ever came across.
Tutor says,"I can't tell you the password but here's a piece of punched tape with it on. Just run it through the tape reader to access Palo Alto. Give it back at the end of the session."
First thing we four smartarse students do is run it through the reader with the print option selected. Several copies later we have access to do revision at will.
Couple of weeks later tutor is embarrassed to find he's forgotten to bring the security tape and four hands go up waving replacements. Tutor is unsure whether to be relieved class can go on as planned annoyed that we'd circumvented the "security system." :)
I use windows 10 at work. On a sufficiently gutsy machine it's pretty good.
I quite like it, tbh.
Something I've seen a couple of do post-free update window closing, is to reset their computers clock so it's on a date before 27-07-16 and then it'll do the update!
I have seriously considered using Linus, but it does cause some problems with application compatability
I worked for Access (the credit card company) and go back as far as 1972 for computer mainframes, IBM 360 and 370 series to be exact. Also the peripherals were 64 x IBM 3330 disk drives, 16 x 3420 tape drives plus punch card readers and telex machines. One of our trainee tests was to get them to put back all the cutouts from a punch card by colour and alphanumeric character. The cutouts made fantastic confetti -the bl**dy stuff got everywhere!
I once worked on an IBM 512k machine running OS in 3 partitions.
Nowadays, I am happy just to get a result by turning the damn thing on. Plus I am so much more tolerant on speeds than others after my work history with the damn things.
MickS
My first work PC had twin floppy drives, a 4.77MHz processor and 512k of RAM. It worked.
I first programmed with punch cards.
I first programmed with coding forms that were mailed to the University where the punch card operators punched them, ran the job and then mailed the results back
Three runs a fortnight if you were quick with the updated coding forms :o
I've got 10 on this laptop. It seems OK apart from the boot time, which can be anything from less than a minute to 5 minutes or more. Sometimes it doesn't boot and I'm reduced to holding down the power button to force it off, then waiting a few seconds to press the button to start again.
There doesn't seem to be any reason for the varying boot times that I can see.
Bill Gates - hanging is too good for some people?
Quote from: paulr on 20 August 2016, 04:32:40 AM
I first programmed with coding forms that were mailed to the University where the punch card operators punched them, ran the job and then mailed the results back
Three runs a fortnight if you were quick with the updated coding forms :o
My first encounter with programming was the same. I was in final year of school, final exams were over but if you wanted to stay to the bitter end of the school year you could do a short computing course.
The coding sheets went to our council computing centre and we were sometimes a little .... frivolous in our headers and REM statements. Nothing rude, you understand, just things like."Gods it must be boring having to input these sheets knowing us numpties will have screwed up the coding"
About a decade later I wound up dealing with the same computing centre and a couple of the operators remembered my name from the coding sheets because of the comments. They were grateful for the break from the tedium of the day job rather than pissed off by the nonsense, fortunately.
ALGOL
COBOL :)
FORTRAN.
:-[
Real Men (tm) programme in machine code, masochists programme in vi :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 20 August 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Real Men (tm) programme in machine code, masochists programme in vi :)
Nihilists use only zeros.
BASIC
But then I was only a support guy. :-<
FORTRAN, derivatives of ALGOL & COBOL, LISP, Assembler and lots and lots of Pascal
To be fair, while I've done bits of all the things I've mentioned most of my programming for recreation was in BASIC and the professional stuff was in PERL.
3 years retired and I've already forgotten about 90% of it all.
"I've been there and I'm glad I'm out" :)
I was trained in FORTRAN and picked up COBOL and BASIC+.
So many years later, I use spreadsheets a lot, and automate them using Macros. The structure of these macros is remarkably like FORTRAN and BASIC+ programming.
Some BASIC, later VB, but mostly shell scripting (SCO, HP/UX, et. al) using the utilitarian vi :)
Perl and AWK too - the details of all these are mostly gone from on-board memory.
Quote from: Subedai on 18 August 2016, 09:15:43 PM
The cutouts made fantastic confetti -the bl**dy stuff got everywhere!
Chad, it was called.
Quote from: oldblindjohn on 20 August 2016, 12:03:48 AM
I first programmed with punch cards.
Paper tape for me before I graduated to punch cards.
Quote from: Subedai on 18 August 2016, 09:15:43 PM
I worked for Access (the credit card company) and go back as far as 1972 for computer mainframes, IBM 360 and 370 series to be exact.
Yup, I worked on a 360/50 and later on a 370/155.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 20 August 2016, 01:30:41 PM
COBOL :)
Started on COBOL in '69 via a remote job entry system in Edinburgh to a mainframe in Newcastle. Was also at College (day release) and didn't half show up the college system who ran your program once a week, errors and all whereas those of us who worked at Ed Uni got all the free time on the Newcastle system we needed so had several runs every week, long enough to sort out any job control problems as well as the coding.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 21 August 2016, 04:36:56 PM
Yup, I worked on a 360/50 and later on a 370/155.
We ran a complete cardholder system of 6 million customers on 2 x 370/155's then went upmarket and the company splashed out on a 370/158. Initially, we had a problem because the early systems ran on IBM DOS whereas the later used IBM OS. We had to use an emulator to get the bl**dy things to work together.
We only ever powered the complete system down on the evening of Christmas Eve and then back up on the evening shift on Boxing Day. That stopped after we had a 'head-crash' when the vacuum on the storage device (name and type escapes me at the moment) was compromised by a tiny split in a 25p plastic hose. Engineers later told us it cost £250,000 to fix. Made a real horrific screeching noise as the reading heads tore through the aluminium (aluminum) surfaces!
MickS
We once had a system shutdown caused, according to the engineers report, by "an out of range temperature event in an air movement device" ... a fan had caught fire!
Quote from: Subedai on 21 August 2016, 05:24:54 PM
We ran a complete cardholder system of 6 million customers on 2 x 370/155's then went upmarket and the company splashed out on a 370/158. Initially, we had a problem because the early systems ran on IBM DOS whereas the later used IBM OS. We had to use an emulator to get the bl**dy things to work together.
I think our 370/155 was replaced by a 370/158 after I had moved away to another site which ran an ICL 2980 which eventually shut down in the late 80's. After that lots of little powerful computers started arriving and its still going on.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 21 August 2016, 04:34:44 PM
Paper tape for me before I graduated to punch cards.
Yup! Same. Punch cards were a massive improvement for debugging.
Welp!
A major Window 10 upgrade occurred during the night.
Boot up this AM was epic! All the nice little messages akin to "The expressway is closed for the next three and a half years, but you are really, really going to like it when it is complete"
First the minor issues:
1) All the desktop icons were rearranged - what ever.
2) Now have the Windows 10 interface without the hybrid Win10/7 option - OK, can adapt.
3) A little window near the start button that says, "Ask me anything!" I typed in "what have you done". Yes, I actually thought it was some new AI feature - it's not - IE/Bing - never mind.
The bigger issues:
1) Currently my machine has the responsiveness of a Brewster Buffaloe with wing tanks.
2) it says my Norton 360 is not compatible with Windows 10. It was when I went to bed but we live in a dynamic world. W10 did helpfully turn on Windows Defender. I'm now getting a new download from Norton to replace the one that just updated yesterday.
3) By far the most annoying: my display is smeared! It looks like the CRT scanning rate is wrong - except this isn't a CRT. What the hell!
I find that my video card (which was compatible only yesterday) is no longer compatible with W10 nor is there a driver that will make it so.
X_X X_X X_X X_X
Puts my "where the **** have my shortcuts to WPS writer(s) gone this morning", into perspective.
But if Microsoft were doing some 'improvements' last night......I wonder.
There are no new updates from last night showing here.....But I expect that means bog all.
Hope you get it resolved as soon as, Guy.
Cheers - Phil
W10 asked me today how likely I would be to recommend W10 to a friend or colleague :-\
I was tempted to respond "Not at all likely because it keeps popping up annoying windows like this one", but couldn't be bothered
Should 'ave
Quote from: Ithoriel on 21 August 2016, 08:44:20 PMWe once had a system shutdown caused, according to the engineers report, by "an out of range temperature event in an air movement device" ... a fan had caught fire!
Our fire alarm regularly went off in mid-afternoon. Aha, they said, overheating. After a couple of days trying to find the hotspot, they realised the sensor had been installed in winter. In the summer, the sun shone directly on it in mid afternoon...
The high-tech solution was a bit of cardboard taped to the wall beside it...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The simplest solution, strikes again !
Cheers - Phil
One school I worked in had a break glass type fire alarm in stalled next to a basket ball hoop - fair few false alarms there !
IanS
:o :o :o :o
You have to be kidding, Ian. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sadly......You're probably not ! X_X
(Truth is often stranger than 'friction'.)
Cheers - Phil
Thanks for the commiseration Techno!
There was a day when I could more or less fix most anything on my car and, to a lesser extent, my computers - those days are long gone.
Have most of it sorted out by turning off (forever I hope) several new Windows apps. Norton 360 is back in charge. The display is more or less fixed but am now running an app that claims it will fix the problem (without re-writing the driver don't know how that's possible) so we'll see.
I still like W10 - it still runs the major programs I use and love the One Drive interoperability with my Apple stuff.
Once at work a lightning strike took out our UPS and set fire to our Novell server (an event I actually thought impossible) while one guy ran to get the halon extinguisher, we yanked all the drives (they were hot swappable). This actually worked.
You're welcome, 'Guy'. ;)
Having downloaded Open Office this morning, what's peed me off, is that anything I've used it for (Just test 'documents', so far,) doesn't go straight onto my hard drive (which is where I want to save things....Not the frigging cloud.).....It bogs off onto 'One drive.'....(I'm sorry...I hate that !)..I'm sure I can sort something out on that, even with my lack of computer skills.
I truly do not have the slightest trust in Microsoft now.....(I haven't for months now, anyway ! ;D ;D ;D)
When THIS PC gives up the ghost......I'll make damn sure that the next one I get uses (or gets converted to) Linux as an OS.
Cheers - Phil
From within OpenOffice Writer
1) Go to Tools > Options.
2) Expand the OpenOffice section and highlight "Paths"
3) On the right side (where it says, "Paths used by OpenOffice"), highlight My Documents and click Edit (or just double-click My Documents).
4) The Select Path window opens where you can tell OpenOffice where to put your saved docs (or spreadsheets, etc.)
5) Click OK, OK, and you're good to go!
The Windows 10 Anniversary update seems to have screwed a shed load of machines, knocking off lots of exciting Windows components. all of these machines seem to belong to my places customers :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Ithoriel on 29 September 2016, 03:12:07 PM
From within OpenOffice Writer
1) Go to Tools > Options.
2) Expand the OpenOffice section and highlight "Paths"
3) On the right side (where it says, "Paths used by OpenOffice"), highlight My Documents and click Edit (or just double-click My Documents).
4) The Select Path window opens where you can tell OpenOffice where to put your saved docs (or spreadsheets, etc.)
5) Click OK, OK, and you're good to go!
Thanks Mike.That sounds a
lot simpler than the way I did it a few minutes ago.
Basically....Drag and drop, to where I wanted things to go...(And sod one drive)..... ;D ;D ;D
I'll do that......
Very soon. Then Mrs T won't wonder why her horsey stuff isn't easily 'findable'.
Cheers - Phil
Pixie it IS the W10 anniversary - Dang! That explains a lot!
Cortana was back up and running and it had logged me into Skype (I don't have webcam). Have killed d'em b**ches!
The app (which I bought for about $17 per year) is called "Driver Update" (by Slimware). it is very highly rated by CNet and PCworld.
It found 5 driver issues - the AMD video being my prime concern. It then got an AMD driver (that is completely different then any I would have picked) - loaded it and budabing it works!
Have now turned it loose on the other issues it found.
This is NOT how I wanted to spend two days! >:(
Brand new computer room, fire safety rules required a power kill switch for the whole room near the door
A few days after room was commissioned the engineer in charge of building the room turned out the lights as he left...
Wrong switch, turned off way more than the lights :o
The following day the kill switch had a cover that had to be lifted before you could get to the switch ;D
Brand new server being delivered on a pallet on the back of a lorry on a steep street. The lorry's crane swings the pallet out, pallet tilts, webbing snaps, £250k of computer becomes about £25 worth of scrap in a matter of moments.
Replacement arrives within a few days and is installed over a weekend. Monday morning I'm in the server room to start testing. Nothing the server team does will persuade the thing to boot up.
Being part of the end-user department not the IT one, I tentatively raise the question of whether it is plugged in. Much amusement ensues and I'm assured it was plugged in on Sunday morning. Nonetheless,I wander round the back, pick up the unattached plug and wave it around and ask if I should unplug the work light one of the "sparks" had plugged in and plug this in instead. :)
Zum projects is cursed I tells 'ee, cursed! :)
Well I once broke a mainframe by snapping an elastic band. It worked on a teletype printer, driven by said band - which snapped, and the system crashed 10mins later, whilst I was doing something else.
It took them about 5 years to move the school fire alarm. Idiocy.
IanS
After thinking everything was once again sorted out with my W10 machine - the new cumulative update is failing to install. After three days of repeated attempts (which involves auto-reboot) it fails and the has to spend even more time rolling back to previous. :'(
I can at least control when it happens but this is making using the machine a pain.
From what I've seen so far this problem is wide spread - with no apparent workaround. Sic transit Gloria mundi.
I should think Gloria is as sick as a parrot ! >:( >:(
Sorry, Guy......I'm genuinely not laughing at you.
With all the problems (and time wasted) I had, continually fending off those attempts to force me to 'upgrade to' W10. (Pah !!....Become one of the unpaid beta testers, more like.)...I'm just so, so pleased I didn't give in.
Sympathies, Matey !
Again....Hope it's sorted as soon as.
What an appalling **** up.
Cheers - Phil.
Well at least the parrot isn't bl**dy dead yet! :)
Now about to put iOS 10 on iPad - who knows what fresh hell will come from this!
Quote from: d_Guy on 03 October 2016, 03:03:53 PM
Well at least the parrot isn't bl**dy dead yet! :)
Now about to put iOS 10 on iPad - who knows what fresh hell will come from this!
He/she's probably pushing up the daisies, though. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Spending most of this afternoon trying to fix this update problem - down to trying rumored fixes I found on the web thingy.
Last one required a registry edit - which didn't work either - and am now rolling back to the save point.
Meanwhile playing Dungeons and Pendrakens on another thread using my iPad which upgraded to iOS 10 with no decernable problems.
I'm still on XP. ;D
Meanwhile on the Windows 10 front:
Cumulative update KB 3194798 has continued to assault my PoD, day after day, with relentless ferocity. These attacks began on 29 September and despite my many sorties against it during the month of October, it continued to regroup and try the next day. There is at least a blessed twelve hour period each day that quiet reigns and i can resupply and bolster defenses. After that, should I not be vigilant, a new attack comes suddenly and hand to hand combat follows.
Yesterday, November 9, KB3200970 also engaged. My defensive resources are now stretched to the maximum with the time spent defending near doubled. I find that I may soon have to abandon my position altogether.
I'm getting to the point where I'm going to block ANY updates. (Actually...It hasn't been too bad recently.)
Windows 10.......Hawk.....Spit !!
(Warned ya.)
Cheers - Phil.
Yup, you were right!
I still like Windows 10 in appearance and function and all my apps work well. The update experience is now so miserable, however, I may just quit on it. >:(
Welp, as of this AM by Win10 machine hangs a login in and simply won't boot to desktop. Have tried several things, go away, come back, no joy! The miserable cumulative update failure as occurred daily since my last post. My problem is I have not found on Apple or Linux the apps I like and I am to old to learn yet another set of stuff! Aaaargh!
At this point will get the cheapest Win10 CPU box and star over! Double Aaaaargh!
Oh dear ! X_X
Cheers - Phil.
Do I detect a hint of schadenfruede there, Friend Techno?
I have a lovely Windows 7 PC with an XP emulator so I can run allied General.
Would I upgrade - not until I am dragged screaming and kicking into the abyss of Windows 10, when none of my programs will work on the existing system
Both 7 and XP were the best there ever was! Miss them. (Although 10 was fine until the "black October" cumulative update).
Actually trying now to reload OS from my restore discs - who knows what fresh h*ll this will bring about.
If successful will then need to restore my critical apps.
My wife switched to Mac six months ago - says she does not want to play system engineer in her declining years! :)
Quote from: fsn on 21 March 2017, 06:05:53 PM
Do I detect a hint of schadenfruede there, Friend Techno?
No, no, Nobby !!......You know how much I hated W10.....
Definitely sympathy for Bill, though.
Cheers - Phil
My Win7 PC was already showing it's age when it came to playing games so when it died a death I spent more than was sensible on a Win 10 gaming machine ,,, and resurrected the old machine with a backup and an older smaller hard drive so I now have a WIn 7 machine for email and net surfing and a Win 10 one for gaming. The system is working well ... so far!
Presumably a NEW win 10 machine has no trouble with the demonic win 10 cumulative update?
I think that that is reserved for users that are still on machines older than 5 years.
So far, it blasts through updates at an amazing rate.
For what it's worth I've a Windows 10 laptop and it works fine and I've had no issues with updates, however I bought it as a factory install when my faithful old W7 started playing up and refused to run Lightroom 6.
I've now reached the age when time is too precious to waste trying to get PCs to work.
Yes, I agree and so does my wife, but I am stubborn!
I like what I have and from a hardware stand point it's good and I keep the drivers updated.
My problem, and for others in my situation, is we migrated from 7 to 10 and don't have a clean install.
There was a process for doing a clean install when the migration occurred but everything ran fine for several months and I ignored it.
(I even, embarrassingly, bragged about how well it ran right here! :-[ A lifetime should have taught me NOT to do that).
I'll probably do what you have done at some point.)
Quote from: d_Guy on 22 March 2017, 05:33:51 PM
(I even, embarrassingly, bragged about how well it ran right here! :-[ A lifetime should have taught me NOT to do that).
Ah.... HUBRIS - The art of standing on a mountain top, wearing copper armour, in a thunderstorm and shouting there's no such thing as God/gods.......
:)
Computers are the familiars of Cthulhu!
Well - it's up and running again and seems OK -now in the process of reloading apps.
Two days work to save the $400 for a new one. Holding breath.
Quote from: Techno on 22 March 2017, 01:51:48 PM
No, no, Nobby !!......You know how much I hated W10.....
Definitely sympathy for Bill, though.
I know. You haven't an ounce of schadenfreude in your body, Techno. I just like the word schadenfreude, and get depressingly few opportunities to use it. Would it be ironic if those around me took pleasure in that?
It's like "schwerpunkt". Wonderful word. Never quite manage to drop it into conversations.
One of my best days was when out Finance Director was doing a brain storming session, and asked us all for reasosn that ... blah, blah, blah ... as he wrote them on the board. I suggested "potential floccinaucinihilipilification of our services". That went down well with everyone ... but the FD.
"Gusset". There's another good word.
Schadenfreude - needs a capital letter at the start.
Meoooow.
I'm so happy I'm about to bust a gusset!
Everything, including Windows 10 trying to load the cumulative update, fail and rolling back.
All is right again in my little world. (Until I actually have to buy a new machine).
Fsn, your FD was "out" was he?
Kitty purrrrrr.
QuoteYes, I agree and so does my wife, but I am stubborn
Ah Grasshopper! Stubbornness in the Face of Microsoft is like p1551ng against a hurricane, a terrible accident waiting to happen. Rather bent like a reed in river of consumerism and buy new hardware.
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 22 March 2017, 09:55:42 PM
Ah.... HUBRIS - The art of standing on a mountain top, wearing copper armour, in a thunderstorm and shouting there's no such thing as God/gods.......
That sounds like a definition of bad experimental technique.
"Do not go gentle into that good night..." in the voice of Rodney Dangerfield.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 24 March 2017, 10:56:04 AM
That sounds like a definition of bad experimental technique.
The full quote is
"If complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards!"
― Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic
I've attracted enough complete and utter chaos in my time to empathise :)