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Title: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: sunjester on 21 May 2016, 11:06:47 AM
 The new Neighbourhood Planning and Infrastructure Bill announced this week abolishes the current legal requirements that force developers to carry out archaeological and wildlife surveys before starting housing projects. This will open the door to the potential wholesale destruction of archaeological and environmental sites, as regularly happened in the past before the introduction of the current legislation. There is an online petition to oppose this so please sign it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/130783

Thanks,
Graham

Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: mollinary on 21 May 2016, 11:12:30 AM
Done.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Fenton on 21 May 2016, 11:13:05 AM
Signed
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Ithoriel on 21 May 2016, 11:30:21 AM
Done

I despair of the UK government sometimes a lot all of the time  >:(
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: fsn on 21 May 2016, 11:49:41 AM
Done.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 21 May 2016, 11:53:04 AM
Signed
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Subedai on 21 May 2016, 12:27:48 PM
I never used to be politically minded at all but this lot are steadily eroding everything that is good about this country so I have completely changed my attitude. I signed this and many other petitions over the last few months and slowly the message seems to be getting through to them that they are finally messing with the wrong people. We are generally regarded as a nation of armchair moaners who don't physically do anything but that opinion is changing.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: wurrukatte on 21 May 2016, 12:35:39 PM
Duly signed
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Maenoferren on 21 May 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Signed
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 May 2016, 12:43:58 PM
Doing it now.

IanS
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Luddite on 21 May 2016, 01:16:12 PM
 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: mart678 on 21 May 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Signed & shared.  Hopefully more will sign  >:( :(
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: mollinary on 21 May 2016, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: mart678 on 21 May 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Signed & shared.  Hopefully more will sign  >:( :(

Well it's put on some 500+ signatures since it was posted here!

Mollinary
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: d_Guy on 21 May 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Would be happy to sign it - but not a UK citizen.  have no idea if such things are checked. Sometimes in the States they are (on .gov petitions) and sometimes they are not.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Leman on 21 May 2016, 03:55:32 PM
Signed

Absolutely bloody typical of this new brand of Victorians. Yet another reason why we must not leave the EU and end up at the mercy of a group of people who want to do away with employee and human rights for their own personal gratification and xenophobia.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: d_Guy on 21 May 2016, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 21 May 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Would be happy to sign it - but not a UK citizen.  have no idea if such things are checked. Sometimes in the States they are (on .gov petitions) and sometimes they are not.

Sorry - answering my own question - to sign the petition you first have to stipulate that you are a citizen - so ethically I can't sign.
Hope that the petition will be successful. It is worrisome that more and more we live in an age where all of history began last week.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Leman on 21 May 2016, 04:02:23 PM
You also have to provide your email address, which would be a massive giveaway I imagine.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Steve J on 21 May 2016, 04:56:36 PM
Signed.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: old smokie on 21 May 2016, 05:13:10 PM
signed

the UK goverment are a bunch of inconsiderate a***holes  >:(
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Leman on 21 May 2016, 06:31:10 PM
 =D> =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Techno on 21 May 2016, 07:57:13 PM
Done......Though I'm waiting for an email back (apparently).

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Shedman on 21 May 2016, 08:17:04 PM
signed
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Poggle on 22 May 2016, 02:42:38 AM
Signed. I studied archaeology at college and know there's a lot we don't know about our past. I hate the thought of artifacts and knowledge being lost because a bunch of people want to cut corners and costs.  :Ph
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Tawa on 22 May 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Signed.

7,225 now.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: SV52 on 22 May 2016, 09:01:38 AM
Signed; the caring, sharing Bullingdon boys can always be relied upon to do the wrong thing.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Westmarcher on 22 May 2016, 09:24:46 AM
One more name added.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Leon on 22 May 2016, 01:19:40 PM
Signed and shared on our Facebook page as well.

8)
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: d_Guy on 22 May 2016, 03:33:18 PM
7,993 now. Looking at the distribution of signers map is very interesting - London and Edinburgh seriously under represented.
Leon - maybe a new lottery on when this reaches 100k?  :D
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: jimduncanuk on 22 May 2016, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 22 May 2016, 03:33:18 PM

7,993 now. Looking at the distribution of signers map is very interesting - London and Edinburgh seriously under represented.
Leon - maybe a new lottery on when this reaches 100k?  :D


I'm from Edinburgh currently on holiday in Florida and I have signed.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Tawa on 24 May 2016, 12:39:28 PM
I've also splattered the link all over facebook as well seeing as many of my friends are into nature and history amongst other things  :D
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Techno on 08 June 2016, 06:59:32 AM
Anyone else get the 'reply' about this, from 'the powers that be' this fair morn ?

I was watching a couple of old episodes of "Yes, Prime Minister", last night.
The 'reply' sounded like something Sir Humphrey would have written.  X_X

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: fsn on 08 June 2016, 07:06:32 AM
I did. I was taken on a journey of delighted highs, and pitiful lows as I read it. I'm still not sure if anything is going to happen.


I do feel that I'm now on an official government list.  :(
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Ithoriel on 08 June 2016, 08:35:02 AM
Pure Newspeak but pretty much what I feared the response would be :(

Doubleplusungood!  >:(
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Subedai on 08 June 2016, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: fsn on 08 June 2016, 07:06:32 AM
I did. I was taken on a journey of delighted highs, and pitiful lows as I read it. I'm still not sure if anything is going to happen.


I do feel that I'm now on an official government list.  :(

If that's true then I must be quite near the top of the same list!

I got a copy of the party-line drivel as well. This placatory rhetoric is all hot air, even more so if the ba*tards go through with their plans to sell off the Land Registry!

Quick political rant over, back to normality. Move on, nothing to see.

MickS
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 June 2016, 11:08:14 AM
We'd be better if the current thieving b'stards we didn't actually elect just collected their MP welfare check and went to sleep on the comfy benches, and did nothing.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Matt J on 08 June 2016, 11:40:59 AM
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is a good idea then  ;)
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 June 2016, 07:27:19 AM
'fraid I didn't attempt to read it, useless verbiage.

IanS
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Techno on 09 June 2016, 09:27:44 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 09 June 2016, 07:27:19 AM
'fraid I didn't attempt to read it, useless verbiage. IanS

You didn't miss anything, Ian.  X_X
Mike hit the nail on the head.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Matt J on 09 June 2016, 10:06:09 AM
While the image of developers merrily bulldozing green fields with undiscovered roman villas beneath and destroying the habitat of the lesser spotted thread warbler is pretty bad this just won't happen.
The current laws that requires these surveys to be carried out on all housing development is frankly bonkers.

I live in an old grade II listed building dating from 1850 with an interesting history (in fact we a had a couple turn up from New Zealand just to see our house - Paulr and Pierre might know them - their ancestor had lived there before emigrating to NZ in 1870). My neighbours house is even older dating back to C16th.
He has been doing up the house and attached was an old derelict cow shed which he planned to add to the house. He applied for planning and listed building consent - no problems. However because it was classed as change of use and a 'housing development', even though it was only 1 room, he had to have environmental and archaeological surveys.

Achaeological survey - guy turns up spends 1/2 hour looking around and a cuppa. Told him there was obviously nothing of interest there and wouldn't have bothered coming really as he'd already spoken to listed buildings and planning.

Environmental study - slightly more involved as we have great crested newts and bats. Guy turns up has a look round and a cuppa says you'l need to put a bat box up neighbour nods yep planning already told him that. Guy buggers off.

Neighbour got the bill £5,500!

It would have been another £2,500 more if the old shed had been a couple of feet closer to the pool as a newt man would have been called out to lay newt trapping nets across his lawn.

He was well p*ssed, money for old rope.
Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Techno on 09 June 2016, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: Matt J on 09 June 2016, 10:06:09 AM
While the image of developers merrily bulldozing green fields with undiscovered roman villas beneath and destroying the habitat of the lesser spotted thread warbler is pretty bad this just won't happen.
Environmental study - slightly more involved as we have great crested newts and bats. Guy turns up has a look round and a cuppa says you'l need to put a bat box up neighbour nods yep planning already told him that. Guy buggers off.
Neighbour got the bill £5,500!
It would have been another £2,500 more if the old shed had been a couple of feet closer to the pool as a newt man would have been called out to lay newt trapping nets across his lawn.
He was well p*ssed, money for old rope.

:o :o :o :o :o......Ouch !  X_X

Got bats 'near' us....But never seen a newt...even in our SSSI bog, which is around 7 acres over the other side of the 'road'.
What tees me off about the bog, is the clouds of biting midges that come from there each 'Summer'.

Can't leave the doors or windows open, when (for once) it actually gets warm over here, unless you want to be eaten alive, or mainline Piriton

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: New Government Bill risks destroying Britain's Past
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 June 2016, 06:24:48 PM
But PROFIT!!!!!