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Wider Wargaming => Resources => Resources - Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: Druzhina on 03 May 2016, 06:08:26 AM

Title: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: Druzhina on 03 May 2016, 06:08:26 AM
I noticed in "Oriental Armour of the Near and Middle East from the Eighth to the Fifteenth Centuries as Shown in Works of Art" by  M. Gorelik, in: <i>Islamic Arms and Armour</i>, ed. R Elgood, London 1979; a couple of figures with helmets that are flat on the top:
(http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag197/druzhina345/Persia/14/Gorelik-drawings-146-147.jpg)

I looked these up in the source given: The Ilkhanid Mongol Kitāb-i-Samak 'Iyār, by Ṣadaqah Ibn Abī al-Qāsim Shīrāzī (http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Persia/14/Samak_Iyar-3.htm) and found that the flat topped helmets in folio 268b (http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Persia/14/Samak_Iyar-3-f268b.htm) were actually colouring-in over the lines (or smudged). The outline of pointed helmets can be seen.
So best to avoid making or buying figures based on this.

The Bodleian Library have changed their online system so I haven't been able to get a bigger detail to check if one helmet has a nasal.

Druzhina
Ilkhanid Mongol Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Persia/14/Ilkhanid.htm)
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: Techno on 03 May 2016, 06:38:43 AM
Some interesting pics in the link at the bottom, D.  8)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 May 2016, 07:53:08 AM
Nicer one D
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: FierceKitty on 03 May 2016, 09:57:34 AM
Well, the Bodleian has to cope with students who never enter the library and staff who never publish anything worth reading, so I suppose changing their system creates the effect of activity.
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 May 2016, 12:01:42 PM
Before you carry on FK, my Aunt is the Bodlein's graphic designer and has she has either published  or type set over 60 books in the last twenty years, guess she ups the average!
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: FierceKitty on 03 May 2016, 02:23:33 PM
I'm not having a go at the library, just at that "university".
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: Subedai on 03 May 2016, 07:42:14 PM
Another interesting find Mr D.
Title: Re: Ilkhanids with flat topped helmets
Post by: Druzhina on 04 May 2016, 01:50:27 AM
It seems you now need a staff/student/alumni password to access it now.

Druzhina
14th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://www.warfare.altervista.org/14C.htm)