Hi,
My name is Carl and I live in the north west of England, I have been wargaming for around 40 years.
Recently I decided to have a go at 10mm so ordered some Late Romans just to see if I can paint them. 28MM is great but they take a long time to paint and a lot of room on the shelf.
I am looking forward to seeing what you Chaps do in this scale and what rulesets you use.
Thanks.
Carl
Welcome on board carl and on being our 1,800 forum member :)
Hi Carl and welcome to the Forum!
8)
Thanks Chaps, it's a long time since I was a cadet! Just reading through the forum and it seems some people skirmish in 10MM? Wow!
Also what rules would be best for 1900-1930's? Pretty much where the Black Powder set ends?
Hi Carl and welcome aboard.
The Late Roman range is one of my favourite Pendraken ranges and what some people here can do with them is either inspirational or downright depressing, depending on your point of view :)
As to painting them yourself and rules to use, I'd say the main things to remember are that
a) you're going for mass effect rather than individual brilliance - less detail required, so faster to paint.
b) The smaller areas of colour will look darker than so slightly lighter colours than you'd use on 28mms is a good idea.
c) The forum is friendly and helpful, don't be afraid to ask questions.
d) The forum is weird and wacky, don't let the apparent (or perhaps sometimes actual) lunacy put you off. The personal hobby-horses and in-jokes usually become apparent quite quickly. Feel free to join in!
e) There are probably more sets of rules being used than members of the forum! Members are usually pretty vocal about likes and dislikes but let me start the ball rolling by suggesting DBA as a simple rules, small armies, limited space require rule set. Warmaster Ancients is another of my favourites and is based on GW's Warmaster Fantasy Rules.
Carl
Welcome.
I would do one or two things.
Find out which ruleset is used by your local wargamers, if you have any?
Look at Hail Caesar, they work with any scale or size of figures, it is the unit base size that is important. Hail Caesar is a successor to Warmaster Ancients which is a successor to Warmaster. They all work.
Jim
Hi and welcome
Take care
Andy
Thanks again for the tips Chaps! I was intending to base the Romans for DBA....I saw a pic or two on the web and thought they would give me a good idea of how 10mil would paint up.
Having looked at this forum I now realise that practically every period is covered.....even a motorcycle in the WW1 section. A motorcycle!
I will certainly try to keep my colours a shade lighter than normal and as you say go for the group look.
Thanks.
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 30 March 2016, 08:54:28 PM
Thanks again for the tips Chaps! I was intending to base the Romans for DBA....I saw a pic or two on the web and thought they would give me a good idea of how 10mil would paint up.
A bit like this with less fussy detail.
(http://danbecker.info/games/articles/DBA/II56EarlyImperialRoman/Panorama-811.jpg)
http://danbecker.info/games/articles/DBA/II56EarlyImperialRoman/
Those Romans are so nice! I cant wait for the order to arrive.....only 2 packs but thats 60 figures-an awful lot for my paint table
Hi Carl,
Welcome to the forum.
As Ithoriel says the standard of painting of some of the members is impressive to say the least. I swear they have a "Shrinking machine" and paint 28mms which they then shrink down to 10mm. But it is the overall effect to go for.
Rules for 1900-1930. I have used both Blitzkrieg commander for bigger battles and Chain of command for skirmish in this period and scale. One of our club demo games this year is the Balkan wars (admittedly in 28mm) using Chain of Command. They have been tweaked very slightly to fit in with the time period.
Blitzkrieg commander also works well for bigger battles in WW1 and A Very British Civil War.
We use multiple figure bases playing Chain of Command in 10mm and just mark casualties.
Also for this scale we use
Warmaster in all its forms
Black Powder
Honours of war
Fire and Fury
Dux Belloram
Most rules seem to work just by changing distances from inches to cm and a couple of tweaks to allow for bigger battles
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 30 March 2016, 09:21:08 PM
Those Romans are so nice! I cant wait for the order to arrive.....only 2 packs but thats 60 figures-an awful lot for my paint table
I have Early Imperial romans and used VVV shield transfers on all 500 shields. Initially I was going to only do the front row, but just got carried away :)
Thanks for the information Mr Orcs. I have Black Powder and DBA which should cover my needs for now though I will certainly research the sets you mentioned for the early 20th century.
The standard of painting here is very high indeed, great for inspiration and for reference
A very warm welcome, Carl. :-h
Cheers - Phil
Hello CL
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 30 March 2016, 08:14:59 PM
Thanks Chaps, it's a long time since I was a cadet! Just reading through the forum and it seems some people skirmish in 10MM? Wow!
Also what rules would be best for 1900-1930's? Pretty much where the Black Powder set ends?
Welcome to the
asylum forum. 1900-1930s eh, a man after my own pulp laden heart (my doctor can confirm my medical state). You haven't said where or what scale game (skirmish or big battle?) you'd like to play.
Rules to look at:-
Red Actions - A game of company level battles and ambushes in the Russian Civil War Period. http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Actions (http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Actions)
Beyond The River Don - A campaign game that takes maybe 30 minutes to create from scratch, with limitless scenarios, a different map each and every time, and has counters representing the following armies and their equipment: Reds, Whites, Greens, Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Poles, Armenians, Turks, French, Greeks, Japanese, American, British Empire and Freikorps. To go with Red Actions http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Beyond_The_River_Don (http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Beyond_The_River_Don)
I'm currently having fun with 'Setting the East Ablaze' using stands as substitutes for single figures. It's an improved version of Contemptible Little Armies. If you do a search on "setting the east ablaze" wargame rules you can find an early copy to playtest.
I've previously used an 'up-perioded' version of Science vs Pluck as well
Also a flip through these can sometimes turn up gems - http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Early_20th_Century (http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Early_20th_Century)
Let us know if you need any more info.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Mr Grumpy I owe you a beer or two!
Those links were exactly what I was looking for....not read all of it but just right. I have never seen them before!
I am a big fan of the Hopkirk books but as I game solo 28MM (though lovely) is out of both my pocket and my time frame but now with 10mm and those links........
Thank you again this is a surprise and wonderful reading!
Welcome. You've arrived at an auspicious time, when some long-overdue ranges are just about to be released. :)
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 30 March 2016, 08:14:59 PM
Thanks Chaps, it's a long time since I was a cadet!
Don't I know that feeling! But rank here has no discernible privilege - it is a wounderous silly place, with folks interested (and highly knowledgeable) in - well - just about everything! So welcome to the forum 1800Carl! Consider that those sixty 10mm's have the surface area of maybe 7 28mm's and get stuck in when they arrive!
Oh - you may receive a welcome from an entity calling itself "fsn" - my advice - embrace the horror! :D
Quote from: d_Guy on 30 March 2016, 11:53:44 PM
Oh - you may receive a welcome from an entity calling itself "fsn" - my advice - embrace the horror! :D
You, sir, are fitting in remarkably, or perhaps I should say disturbingly, well. :)
Quote from: d_Guy on 30 March 2016, 11:53:44 PM
Oh - you may receive a welcome from an entity calling itself "fsn" - my advice - embrace the horror! :D
FSN does not have much human contact, and will be very excited if you embrace him, so I suggest you have a tissue handy :-&
Moaning.
IanS
Hello and welcome.
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4715.0.html
Are my 10mm Later Romans, great range! You will love them!
60 is nothing, if you don't try to paint individually!
Pop down to Costa/Starbucks/MaccyDs, help yourself to a few coffee stirrers, glue 10 or so along the stirrer.
But I do batches of 100 at a time these days! :)
Good morning Mr Leyland, and welcome to the forum.
There are many erudite and knowledgeable people here who as they have already demonstrated are quite capable of giving you a seemingly well reasoned response to your queries. It is true that most of them have reasonably lucid moments but my advice would be to take nothing at face value. One trick I have noted is that they remodel Pendraken miniatures in 54mm or even larger, then paint them which is a feat so simple that an 8 year old child wearing an eye patch and with its major muscle groups linked to a apparatus designed to deliver small electric shocks at random intervals (happy days) could still make a reasonable fist of it. These cunning members then photograph these 54mm creations and pass them off as 10mm. It's the only logical explanation.
You've just missed the annual painting competition. There's a few 54mm (and one I think may actually be a full size mannequin) that are winners, and that and the obvious bias within the judging panel towards those that they describe as having "talent" makes it a foregone conclusion about the winners, but there is a veneer of bonhomie that frankly is as brittle as the rictus grin on the "Little Miss Cute Oregon" runner up - there's a four year old with a budding personality disorder.
Anyway, welcome. I've been 10mm for about 4 years, and have everything from ancient Greeks to SF. No chariot armies though. Pendraken don't do chariot armies. Being of a mathematical bent, I compared the market and Pendraken seemed to be the best place for a 10mm one-stop shop. This they have proved to be, and the Dark Lord and his casting dwarves are very friendly and efficient.
So late Romans eh? You'll like Centurions then.
I've just had a thought. Do you think my painting would get better if I didn't wear the eye patch and electric shock apparatus?
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 30 March 2016, 08:14:59 PM
Thanks Chaps, it's a long time since I was a cadet! Just reading through the forum and it seems some people skirmish in 10MM? Wow!
Also what rules would be best for 1900-1930's? Pretty much where the Black Powder set ends?
Hi Carl. I'm also in the NW (Formby). I use groups of 10mm late Romans based on pennies for the Lardies' Dux Britanniarum.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/10mm%20Dux%20Britanniarum/IMG_0857_zps7d01dcfd.jpg)
:-h
Hello and welcome
Hi Carl,
Welcome aboard,
Late Romans? try Dux Bellorum and Impetus
Welcome to the forum - enjoy your journey into 10mm.
Thanks for being so welcoming, it's nice to have such an active forum. I am already a little stunned by the sheer scale (!) of everything here. Painting in batches of 100 :o also the quality of the Late Romans in that pic is amazing, I am certainly looking forward to getting started on my own figures now.
The extensive catalogue is a fun read in itself....army lists are starting to be written as I browse through it!
Thanks again for the help and warm welcome.
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 31 March 2016, 09:29:27 AM
I am already a little stunned by the sheer scale (!) of everything here.
I found the volume of traffic on this forum very daunting when I first joined, and actually I stayed away for a bit because I couldn't find anything that I was looking for.
One thing I now just do is use the "Show unread posts since last visit" button at the top left of the forum page. Its the only way to keep sane when trying to navigate the forum (though I've now dived straight in, and also contribute to the silliness - in the appropriate places of the forum - so I've become acclimatised to the place).
I have to say this is the most friendly and helpful forum that I use. :-bd
Welcome aboard! :D
Welcome :-h
You'll find being on this forum is like sitting on a comfy chair in the middle of an oversubscribed nursery at skittle time :D
However there are alot of clever people who know alot of stuff
Quote from: fsn on 31 March 2016, 07:28:26 AM
You've just missed the annual painting competition. There's a few 54mm (and one I think may actually be a full size mannequin) that are winners, and that and the obvious bias within the judging panel towards those that they describe as having "talent" makes it a foregone conclusion about the winners, but there is a veneer of bonhomie that frankly is as brittle as the rictus grin on the "Little Miss Cute Oregon" runner up - there's a four year old with a budding personality disorder.
Well - yea-uh! All that's a given! But you don't know how lucky you are - I can only DREAM of getting three votes in the painting competion.
Cost me a fortune ... and a little self respect. :-[
Well......I haven't received my cheque yet, Nobby.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Leman on 31 March 2016, 07:30:46 AM
Hi Carl. I'm also in the NW (Formby).
Formby :-\ Is that a Place??? I thought that was the bloke who played the Ukelele :)
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 31 March 2016, 10:07:14 AM
. Its the only way to keep sane when trying to navigate the forum
You clutching at straws there Roy :D
Quote from: Techno on 31 March 2016, 06:40:09 PM
Well......I haven't received my cheque yet, Nobby.
Cheers - Phil
I thought Nobby had agreed to muck out your Chickens and the Horses with his bare hands for a vote?
I've got my cheque, came last week. Used it to book a month in the Bahamas
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 31 March 2016, 07:20:58 PM
Formby :-\ Is that a Place??? I thought that was the bloke who played the Ukelele :)
And I've got a window cleaner.
Hello Carl
Quote from: CarlLeyland on 30 March 2016, 10:15:26 PM
Mr Grumpy I owe you a beer or two!
Those links were exactly what I was looking for....not read all of it but just right. I have never seen them before!
I am a big fan of the Hopkirk books but as I game solo 28MM (though lovely) is out of both my pocket and my time frame but now with 10mm and those links........
Thank you again this is a surprise and wonderful reading!
No problems. If you're interested in Red Actions and Central Asia there are some Chinese and Mongol cards available from the Yahoo group or if you PM your email address I can email them to you.
Also, if you're ok with card based activation, you can have a look at Too Fat Lardies 'Triumph of the Will' - http://toofatlardies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=53 (http://toofatlardies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=53), they're getting a bit long in the tooth now but still fun. Their rules 'If The Lord Spares Us' http://toofatlardies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11&zenid=87fdc62e7087e0414677ad686018d922 (http://toofatlardies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11&zenid=87fdc62e7087e0414677ad686018d922) have updated mechanisms but narrow the focus to WW1 Middle East. I understand there are some variants for WW1 Western Front and East Africa around.
Feel free to ask about proxies for unavailable troops etc.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
We have used ITLSU basically unchanged for early Western Front WWI and there are mods for trench warfare.
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 31 March 2016, 07:20:58 PM
Formby, I thought that was the bloke who played the Ukelele :)
Quote from: Leman on 31 March 2016, 08:07:35 PM
And I've got a window cleaner.
"Now I'm a soldier sculptor,
I work throughout the day.
Pushing putty here and there,
I do it for my pay.
But when I'm being careless,
I cut myself with steel,
So often, that it makes me think,
My fingers shouldn't feel.
The red stuff stains the table,
Goes on the soldiers too,
The corks get ultra slippry (sic)
Drips on my trainers too.
(Think I should have another verse in here, but b*gger it)
Yes , you should see how much I bleed,
When I'm juggling scalpels."
Thanks once again for the links Grumpy, I think I will have to but Triumph of the Will. They should work with 10mm? Units fire in groups of 5 so that can be translated as a stand/base in this scale? Again I had never heard of them till I read your post, thank you.
As for the entertaining ballad on cutting fingers, have you ever written one on dropping figures? I seem to be doing that a lot lately!
I think we ALL do that, Carl ! ;D
The 'ditty' refers to my penchant for injuring myself.
(I fear I'm rather well known on the forum for having 'accidents'. :-[ :-[ :-[)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 01 April 2016, 05:51:03 AM
"Now I'm a soldier sculptor,
I work throughout the day.
Pushing putty here and there,
I do it for my pay.
But when I'm being careless,
I cut myself with steel,
So often, that it makes me think,
My fingers shouldn't feel.
The red stuff stains the table,
Goes on the soldiers too,
The corks get ultra slippry (sic)
Drips on my trainers too.
(Think I should have another verse in here, but b*gger it)
Yes , you should see how much I bleed,
When I'm juggling scalpels."
=D> =D> =D> =D>
Thirded
Excellent stuff Phil. Good to see George is still inspiring people. :-bd
Welcome CarlLayland.
Enjoy.
Don't panic if any thread gets diverted (hijacked). Just roll with it.
Many years ago i had a blue Montego, you didn't build it by any chance?
If you did i have a few bones to pick. . . . ;)
Just bec ause he's from the NW doesn't necessarily mean he's a British Leyland.
You are on a roll today Mate. :)
BTW @Phil - Awesome poem Dude :-bd :-bd
Phil that was brilliant. :-bd :-bd
Thank you gentlemen ! :-[
Cheers - Phil
Howayman LOL ;D I live within sight of he factory....it closed for good reason though the Centurian was of much better quality made just across the road!