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Title: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Steve J on 28 March 2016, 04:35:27 PM
This link was posted on the Wargames Website and makes for some interesting reading. Some great pics also of the finds.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle?utm_source=sciencemagazine&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=bronzeagebattle-3174 (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle?utm_source=sciencemagazine&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=bronzeagebattle-3174)
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 28 March 2016, 04:46:38 PM
Holy funt!

Techno - get sculpting!
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 March 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Interesting read, thanks for the link.

As said in the article, not entirely unexpected given what was happening in the rest of the world but the chances of actually finding this must be tiny! Makes me wonder how many other similar sites are lost under water, earth or sand.
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Sandinista on 28 March 2016, 06:56:48 PM
Thanks for sharing

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Techno on 28 March 2016, 07:02:52 PM
Seconded !  :)

I'll have a much more thorough read tomorrow.

(The flint arrowhead in the top of some poor b*gger's arm......For some reason, that makes me wince more than the bronze arrowhead in the skull......Eeek !)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 28 March 2016, 07:34:41 PM
Probably because the flint impact had started to heal! The guy must have been in agony.
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 March 2016, 07:57:49 PM
I don't believe it had started to heal. It was believed to be the case initially but later the "healing" turned out to be bone crushed, compressed and fused by the impact of the arrow. But, naturally, after an afternoon of following links and reading various reports I can't remember where that was said. Doh!
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: ronan on 28 March 2016, 08:18:47 PM
Good find ! thanks for sharing !

Quote from: Ithoriel on 28 March 2016, 07:57:49 PM
I don't believe it had started to heal. It was believed to be the case initially but later the "healing" turned out to be bone crushed, compressed and fused by the impact of the arrow. But, naturally, after an afternoon of following links and reading various reports I can't remember where that was said. Doh!

In the main post, may be ?  ;)
"Microscopic inspection of that wound told a different story: What initially looked like healing—an opaque lining around the arrowhead on an x-ray—was, in fact, a layer of shattered bone, compressed by a single impact that was probably fatal. "That let us revise the idea that this took place over weeks," Terberger says. So far no bodies show healed wounds, making it likely the battle happened in just a day, or a few at most. "If we are dealing with a single event rather than skirmishes over several weeks, it has a great impact on our interpretation of the scale of the conflict."

Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 28 March 2016, 08:27:11 PM
Flippy neck! Wow!
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 March 2016, 09:43:13 PM
I'm intrigued by this article - not entirely convinced but interesting hypothesis and good for providing possible context.

http://oldeuropeanculture.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/tollense-battle.html

For a more scholarly analysis there is

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250308033_A_Bronze_Age_Battlefield_Weapons_and_Trauma_in_the_Tollense_Valley_north-eastern_Germany
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: streetgang on 30 March 2016, 01:51:23 PM
Incredibly interesting story, thanks for the link! I did a quick search and saw that this is a period/region with few  options. In 15mm, Falcon used to make a figures (which appear to not be in production) and then you have Mick Yarrow's range. I haven't seen the MY figures, some ranges are very nice and some are more pedestrian. In 25mm, you have Foundry which look great but are way too big and expensive for my taste. Unfortunately no 10mm options that I can see (which is my preferred scale).
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Leman on 30 March 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Nothing among the Warband Barbarians that could be used?
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Ithoriel on 30 March 2016, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: Leman on 30 March 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Nothing among the Warband Barbarians that could be used?

It's the equivalent of gaming Napoleonics where the only figures available are a British rifleman figure, a FPW French Grenadier figure and a model of Malborough. Elsewhere on the forum people are agonizing over the length of coat tails, the width of lapels and the length of plumes!!
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Matt J on 30 March 2016, 06:58:04 PM
Pict range would work
Title: Re: Bronze age battle site discovered
Post by: Womble67 on 30 March 2016, 08:25:05 PM
Very interesting read

Take care

Andy