Anzio. Robert Mitchum and Peter Falk. Billed as the 'Big budget 1968 film about the Allied Invasion of Italy in 1944'
Big Budget my arse >:(
Every British unit depicted was preceded by a Bagpipe band, barely a period vehicle or tank in sight and Panzer Grenadiers armed with Bren Guns.
Oh. And Mitchum wins the campaign without firing a shot.....
What a crock of sh*te.
Alfred the Great - apparently the Saxons had a ready supply of green lamellar armour for every single soldier.
This should be a very long thread indeed. Far better, surely to list the few worth watching!
Oh come on. A good moan is very therapeutic. Pearl Harbour anyone?
I liked Pearl Harbour ....
Particularly liked that the American I saw it with thought the Doolittle Raid unrealistic and made up by the film makers to satisfy the American market!!
Do we need a thread on the state of American education? ;)
Cromwell. No more needs to be said.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 March 2016, 03:45:59 PM
Do we need a thread on the state of American education? ;)
It would be a long thread - normally I'd put up some sort of defense for the home team - but - many of us can not tell you who we fought in WW2, when the ACW was fought (and only a vague notion of between whom), or who Washington, D.C.. Is named after (I kid you not).
We are good at a lot of stuff but this is not one of them.
Incidently on several trips to The UK over the years, when it was learned that I was from West Virginia, virtually all the locals knew that it was an actually state AND generally how that fact came about. A substantial portion of my countrymen know neither! (Maybe I should have put this in the rant thread😀)
I will overlook that you like the movie "Pearl Harbor" :D
Quote from: d_Guy on 25 March 2016, 04:24:29 PM
...or who Washington, D.C.. Is named after (I kid you not).
Washington was the pet cat at DC Comics, right? :-*
only joking
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 25 March 2016, 04:38:02 PM
Washington was the pet cat at DC Comics, right? :-*
only joking
I would venture to say that that is within the universe of probable answers :D
To retrack the thread - "The Battle of the Bulge" was not particularly good - mainly because all the German tanks seemed to be the same as those I had recently seen in a National Guard parade at home. Actually saw the movie in Paris and the French audience seemed to be rooting for the Germans (but I could be wrong - I don't speak French).
Quote from: Nosher on 25 March 2016, 02:29:08 PM
Anzio. Robert Mitchum and Peter Falk. Billed as the 'Big budget 1968 film about the Allied Invasion of Italy in 1944'
Big Budget my arse >:(
Every British unit depicted was preceded by a Bagpipe band, barely a period vehicle or tank in sight and Panzer Grenadiers armed with Bren Guns.
Oh. And Mitchum wins the campaign without firing a shot.....
What a crock of sh*te.
From "Big Budget U.S" to "Shoestring Czech" and Operation Daybreak - The assassination of Heydrich with real Tigers and Hanomags. Realistic acting and minimal deviation from historical fact. Sublime :)
Quote from: d_Guy on 25 March 2016, 04:57:34 PM
To retrack the thread - "The Battle of the Bulge" was not particularly good - mainly because all the German tanks seemed to be the same as those I had recently seen in a National Guard parade at home. Actually saw the movie in Paris and the French audience seemed to be rooting for the Germans (but I could be wrong - I don't speak French).
Now using modern vehicles I can allow, mainly because that's all they could get. It's when they make glaring mistakes that really bugs me. I can only suspend my disbelief for so long.
Cromwell was bad but another -even worse- one has just occurred to me
Genghis Khan -the crappiest film ever. Made in 1965 and starring Omar Sharif. I watched it last year for the first time and stared at the screen in utter disbelief at the succession of errors. Saw it all the way through and then started watching it again to make notes of the errors. After 25 minutes I gave up after counting at least one every minute.
Top of the head:
* Band of Brothers
* Saving Private Ryan
* Anzio
* Battle of the Bulge
* Allies
* Age of Heroes
* Last Samurai
* Braveheart
* The Patriot
* Sahara
* The Bridge at Remagen
* Gettysberg
* Kingdom of Heaven
* Patton
Quote from: fsn on 25 March 2016, 05:47:18 PM
Top of the head:
* Band of Brothers
* Saving Private Ryan
* Anzio
* Battle of the Bulge
* Allies
* Age of Heroes
* Last Samurai
* Braveheart
* The Patriot
* Sahara
* The Bridge at Remagen
* Gettysberg
* Kingdom of Heaven
* Patton
For most I don't know enough to comment
But
Last Samurai - a pretty movie
Braveheart - all Scottish nights painted their faces blue didn't they?
The Patriot - utterly and totally abysmal!
The Bridge at Remagan - a West Virginia guy wrote the book so ipso facto it is excellent!
Gettysburg - like "Waterloo" I think it had a few good moments
Kingdom of Heaven - a very pretty movie plus Ridley Scott can do no wrong.
Patton - George C. Scott - what can I say
Robin hood with Russell Crow
At the end the French are using modern landing craft with drop down ramps.
Robin hood then drops his strung bow in the sea, Picks it up and shoots it. We all know that even a little rain would knacker the bowstring
Braveheart with the English in 15th century armour.
Patton with M48s on both sides.
Surprised nobody has mentioned Fury.
I don't get what people have against Fury. As war films went I thought it was pretty good.
* Band of Brothers - tied with Rome and Deadwood for favourite TV miniseries just fractions ahead of GoT
* Saving Private Ryan - it's a romp, I enjoyed it.
* Anzio - yuck
* Battle of the Bulge - see entry above
* Allies - snore
* Age of Heroes - competent cast, zero plot
* Last Samurai - I liked this
* Braveheart - The names remain the same but the plot has been changed to protect the innocent
* The Patriot - the American Braveheart
* Sahara - not a war movie. Indeed barely a movie at all
* The Bridge at Remagen - OK for Saturday afternoon viewing
* Gettysburg - I liked this one too
* Kingdom of Heaven - beautifully shot, great cast, lavish sets and costumes but I prefer more sorcery in my Sword & Sorcery movies. It was a fantasy film, yes?
* Patton - dreadful film about a dreadful man, played by a dreadful actor.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 March 2016, 07:31:16 PM
I don't get what people have against Fury. As war films went I thought it was pretty good.
I must admit that I have not seen the full movie but I have seen clips and have read several critiques which slammed it.
I am protecting myself by not watching it until one day when I am really really bored.
Fury is far from the best film ever made, Jim, but it's worth a watch and it certainly beats being really bored!
Watched Brotherhood (of War) last night, cracking Korean film about the Korean War, from a Korean viewpoint.
Raging Torrents was so hilariously bad it was good.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 March 2016, 07:46:16 PM
Fury is far from the best film ever made, Jim, but it's worth a watch and it certainly beats being really bored!
Come on Mike, you know me, I never get bored!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 March 2016, 07:31:16 PM
I don't get what people have against Fury. As war films went I thought it was pretty good.
* Band of Brothers - tied with Rome and Deadwood for favourite TV miniseries just fractions ahead of GoT
* Saving Private Ryan - it's a romp, I enjoyed it.
* Anzio - yuck
* Battle of the Bulge - see entry above
* Allies - snore
* Age of Heroes - competent cast, zero plot
* Last Samurai - I liked this
* Braveheart - The names remain the same but the plot has been changed to protect the innocent
* The Patriot - the American Braveheart
* Sahara - not a war movie. Indeed barely a movie at all
* The Bridge at Remagen - OK for Saturday afternoon viewing
* Gettysburg - I liked this one too
* Kingdom of Heaven - beautifully shot, great cast, lavish sets and costumes but I prefer more sorcery in my Sword & Sorcery movies. It was a fantasy film, yes?
* Patton - dreadful film about a dreadful man, played by a dreadful actor.
Haven't seen Fury yet (share Jim's reservations) but largely agree with your assessment(s). Not actually sure what you are saying but I didn't like the Patriot ... or Revolution ... but must confess I
used to like Battle of the Bulge (until much better films came along).
BTW, Nosher, I happened to tune in to the end of Anzio today - Robert Mitchum did get off a shot (actually more than one) with a Tommy Gun. :P
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 March 2016, 07:31:16 PM
* Anzio - yuck
I deliberately avoided Anzio on todays TV but I have seen it in the past.
Remind me if I correct. In the film Mitchum goes drive about in a jeep to Rome. He is filmed in various parts of Rome in sequence in what the story suggests is a quick pop in and pop out. I know Rome quite well and I can't connect the various sequences in a sensible order unless he zigged zagged all over the place several times.
I managed to miss Anzio as well. I have it in my collection but it's only worth a single watch.
Like most of the war films made nowadays you have to take the 'Hollywood Factor' into account. So a) they have to make the Americans the good 'guys' or if they are bad, they come good at the end; b) history is not set in stone but both relative and adjustable depending on the plot -by that I mean everybody's history not just their own!
Fury - not too bad until the last reel, then it went a bit daft.
U-571 -They even got the history for this one just a smidgeon wrong. ;)
Band of Brothers -quite enjoyed the series.
Pearl Harbour -brought it at Poundland -wouldn't ever have paid full wack for it -only for the battle scenes. The plot is total pants.
Last Samurai -not too bad at all. Ken Watanabe films are often worth a look.
Anzio -waste of celluloid.
Sahara -nothing good to say about it...at all.
Gettysburg -enjoyed this.
Patton -Got it but never seen it. Have to be bed bound to watch it.
The Patriot -Another vehicle for that nice Antipodean to let us British know that he doesn't like us.
Brotherhood -Liked it a lot. Got a few of these foreign films and are quite good.
Thin Red Line -Bad title and a crap attempt to make an arty-farty war film.
Alexander -The manoeuvring of the phalanx was good, the cgi of the armies was impressive and even managed to eventually got over the Irish accent, but far too much emphasis on the witchery.
Some interesting points being made. In relation to WW2 there are very few depictions that get it right, we tend to get bent out of shape about tanks not being right, but its only really with SPR and BoB that the depiction of combat "feels" right. That said SPR story wise is still an old fashioned war movie that could have been made in the 50s for all its visual realism. BoB remains the gold standard for me (that's not to say its perfect).
A lot of people hate The Thin Red Line as it was expected to be a sort of SPR in the Pacific, but its not supposed to be a narrative film; if you try to follow a story it does just meander around. Its a meditation on the experience of being in a war, that's why its all internal voices and characters appearing and disappearing. Its more of a poem than a story. In the cinema I didn't get it. I didn't quite understand this till I had it on while working, and didn't concentrate on the story, then the themes and ideas can sink in more readily.
I'm surprised Patton is disliked; its a well regarded movie (about a man who's legacy was, well, mixed)
Tae Guk Gi (Brotherhood) has lots of great combat scenes, but gets a bit overwrought towards the end.
The Patriot; a lot of people blame Mel for that film. I hate the film, but that's not really fair; he only acted in it. The real blame lies with Emmerich and Devlin, the director and producer (who also screwed up Godzilla but that's a different story) and Robert Rodat the writer (who happened also to write SPR!)
Mel can be blamed mostly for Braveheart though.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 25 March 2016, 09:04:19 PM
Not actually sure what you are saying but I didn't like the Patriot
* Braveheart - The names remain the same but the plot has been changed to protect the innocent
* The Patriot - the American Braveheart ... The names remain the same but the plot has been changed to protect the innocent
For me Thin Red Line suffers from being a Vietnam War film set in WW2. The attitudes are those of Vietnam, the actions those of WW2 and the mismatch trashes the film IMHO. That said setting it in Vietnam at the time it was made would probably have relegated it to left wing art house theatres in the US.
I'll throw in a vote for both Cromwell and Kingdom of Heaven, though Scott gets a little credit for knowing enough to make Saladin a good guy, as even his enemies tended to admit he was. Have to agree that Braveheart is a dishonourable runner-up.
I expect disagreement, and I've heard that it's not all that accurate, but I think as a piece of cinema Enemy at the Gate ties for the gold as the best war film I've seen with Alexander Nevsky. Note that Dr Strangelove and Barry Lyndon aren't war films.
Enemy at the Gate gets marks added or deducted for following the Russian account of the incident pretty closely depending on you views of Soviet propaganda.
It loses a point for having a wrecked T34/85 in Stalingrad when it should have been a T34-76. (There, I think that establishes my nerd credentials)
I like it very much as a film but, since FK and I are in agreement, I too expect much disagreement from the peanut gallery. :)
Quote from: Subedai on 25 March 2016, 09:32:47 PM
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Patton -Got it but never seen it. Have to be bed bound to watch it.
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Are you looking to be slapped :-\ ;D
George C Scott won best Actor for his portrayal of Patton, but refused to accept the nomination or collect the award. I thought it a good film about an awful man.
I thought it was an awful film about an awful general starring an awful actor.
While I'm on it, can I add "The Red Baron" (2008)? Terrible CGI, and history has it moustaches pulled.
I missed Gettysberg somewhere along the line, unless it's an alternative title for Cold Mountain. Gettysburg, on the other hand, was pretty good apart from two things: the unfeasibly fat Confederate on the picket line, and the trampolining Confederates in Pickett's Charge.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 March 2016, 12:02:01 AM
* Braveheart - The names remain the same but the plot has been changed to protect the innocent
* The Patriot - the American Braveheart ... The names remain the same but the plot has been changed to protect the innocent
Thanks, Mike (that was understood but up to that point, you hadn't made it clear if you liked them or not). As we know, with Braveheart, historical accuracy went out the window from the word "go" - definitely a thumbs down (and worth a dishonourable runner-up, FK) but as a movie, I thought it was very good (as 5 Academy, 3 BAFTA, 1 Golden Globe awards etc. will testify) as was James Horner's film score. The Patriot was just bad; so bad, it was even offensive.
Didn't like The Thin Red Line on first viewing (was expecting another SPR) but on second viewing, saw its deeper meaning and quite enjoyed it (I wouldn't say its Vietnam set in WW2 - I'm sure the WW2 combat troops' experience was similar - the mental pressures were 'handled' in a different way by the establishment, the press and the participants at the time) . Another of that ilk is Bridge Over The River Kwai. Hated that as a lad but like it now.
Quite liked Gettysb
urg probably because I wasn't expecting much and so it was better than I thought (also 'nip in' now again for some painting ideas :-[ ).
Cross of Iron - liked that the first time but caught a glimpse of it the other night and had a minor Nosher Anzio moment - funny how our tastes change!
None But The Brave - X_X - no.
Ice Cold in Cleethorpes was pretty grim, particularly the sequence featuring the FT17 going backwards at 50mph across the sand, AND with a hexagonal turret. Do these film makers NEVER count rivets!
I wish the local Scots would rise up in defense of the word ilk.
Only if people of that ilk paint their faces blue and white and raise their kilts.
Quote from: Leman on 26 March 2016, 08:36:28 AM
Pickett's Charge.
There's a rumour going around that a very, very distant relation of mine was first over the wall/fence.......
Gladiator - Lost interest at the beginning when the supposed chant of the Germans was actually the chant of the Zulus in Zulu.
If you thought the Omar Shaif version of Ghengis Khan was bad, it' s masterpiece compared to the John Wayne version.
Quote from: Chad on 26 March 2016, 01:36:59 PM
Gladiator - Lost interest at the beginning when the supposed chant of the Germans was actually the chant of the Zulus in Zulu.
If you thought the Omar Shaif version of Ghengis Khan was bad, it' s masterpiece compared to the John Wayne version.
I noticed that about the chant in Gladiator as well; also the bastardised version of Mars from the Planets Suite as inspirational music. Saw it once all through and thought the opening battle scenes were well done, but the rest...
As to your other comment, I've yet to see the Mr Wayne version...I'm not holding my breath.
"Red Tails" - about the Tuskegee airmen. One of the few films I thought was so bad I did not finish it. I did not even get to the bit where they sink a German destroyer with the 50 cals on a Mustang...
Cheers,
Aksu
Pearl Harbour. What a pile of s...!
Quote from: Chad on 26 March 2016, 01:36:59 PM
Gladiator - Lost interest at the beginning when the supposed chant of the Germans was actually the chant of the Zulus in Zulu
I could point you in the direction of the people responsible as well ;D
Still smarting over the entire Light Brigade being clad in red trousers in Charge of the Light Brigade.
Quote from: Aksu on 26 March 2016, 03:14:04 PM
"Red Tails" - about the Tuskegee airmen. One of the few films I thought was so bad I did not finish it. I did not even get to the bit where they sink a German destroyer with the 50 cals on a Mustang...
Cheers,
Aksu
Though the vessel in question did not sink it took no further part in the war and the Tuskegee airmen undoubtedly believed at the time that they had sunk it. It was the ex-Italian Navy destroyer
Giuseppi Missori which the Germans had converted into a torpedo boat.
The film perpetuates several myths about the Tuskegee airmen but most of the myths are exaggerations rather than untruths. "Never lost a bomber" for example - they did, but far fewer than other fighter groups.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 March 2016, 11:03:24 AM
I wish the local Scots would rise up in defense of the word ilk.
Why? It's an English word.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 March 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Though the vessel in question did not sink it took no further part in the war and the Tuskegee airmen undoubtedly believed at the time that they had sunk it.
The film perpetuates several myths about the Tuskegee airmen but most of the myths are exaggerations rather than untruths.
I stand corrected. Pretty much in line with any claims made by aircrew during the war then? Such as tanks destroyed by P47/Typhoon pilots vs real numbers lost.
Anyway, I just couldn't stand the ridiculous cgi dogfight sequences and the hollywood appropriate "maturity of a six year old" of the main protagonists. I am rather more fond of those "stiff upper lip tally-ho chaps I seem to have lost my legs damned nuisance" sort of lead characters myself...
Cheers,
Aksu
Thin Red Line is my favorite war movie. Moves me to tears every time I watch it. But yes, it is more of a poem than a film. I do not disagree on that. Considering the hate I see for Revolution, I actually like it a lot.
Worse war films for me?
-Green Berets
-Channakale (recent Turkish one)
-Last Letter( Turkish Red Baron) (btw there are good Turkish War movies mostly on the Battle of Sarikamish, and Kuturlus on the Turkish War of Independence)
-Passchendaele was a let down.
-1612 (the Russian film. There are good Russian and Soviet war films, this is not one of them)
-Battle of the Bulge
-many of the 1950s - 1960s Greek war-movies. Melodrama, cartoon villains, cartoon characters, and cartoon plots. There are some very good ones though.
-Gods and Generals (yes one of the best depictions of flank attack, but beyond that dreg)
-King Arthur (the recent Clive Owen one)
Generally speaking the more nationalistic the film, the more gung-ho war is great the film, and the more cartoon villains it has, the more I will dislike it.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 26 March 2016, 06:52:29 PM
Why? It's an English word.
But it doesn't mean "kind". It has a very specific (in a Scottish context) meaning, and has fallen victim to attempts to impress by using an unfamiliar term.
Many of the above...although some listed are faves, if inaccurate in some ways.
Will add:
Mosquito Squadron. 633 Squadron rip off, (using footage!), wasting David McCullum...633 was a fave for the soundtrack, not the balsa planes!
The Blue Max. Planes were just WRONG...even to a child.
Tobruck! Loved it as a child...now yuck.
John Wayne war films...though I like watching him...just too Gung Ho and yet...nice.
Any war film involving secret missions by tiny units of misfits to destroy Big Guns, V weapons, nuclear weapons plants, fuel depots, Nazi H.Qs, blah, blah...even with big name actors...but with unlimited ammo and explosives...unless gun jams at appropriate moment, requiring derring do and sacrifice...and obligatory treachery! Music could often be good though.
Does ANYONE watch Rambo 3 now, without feeling a little bit...???
Those, (never bothered to remember the names, but often Spanish), WW2 war films hired from the video store on way back from an afternoon in the pub...with clips poached from any film available, Hollywood or newsreel!
Not quite War Films, but:
The Blitz sequence starting a Narnia film. Thought I might just enjoy it, (kid actors apart), as I loved the books as a child, but...just couldn't be bothered to continue.
Spartacus, Blood and Sand! Porn with CGI gore. Lasses love it though...can't think why? !!! ;)
Beowulf: Return to the Shieldlands. Forget Beowulf...(and he IS very forgettable)...why use the name? Could have been a just passable fantasy, otherwise.
Star Wars after the amazement over the first one wore off.
Who Dares, Wins! Lewis Collins great but the SAS must have laughed themselves sick!
:d :d :d ZARDOZ! (I liked it, costumes aside!0 But curious about reaction! :d :d :d
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 27 March 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Spartacus, Blood and Sand! - I rather liked it. Gratuitous nudity and gore aside it was a bit of a romp.
Beowulf: Return to the Shieldlands. - Half a dozen tribes which appeared to consist of about 30 people each! Agreed, passable fantasy with not connection to Beowulf. I got bored after about half a dozen episodes and haven't watched since. Last episode I saw involved mini Dune-style sandworms.
Star Wars after the amazement over the first one wore off. - I've enjoyed all seven so far. The prequel trilogy wasn't brilliant but not as bad as many made out either.
Who Dares, Wins! Lewis Collins great but the SAS must have laughed themselves sick! - never liked it.
ZARDOZ! (I liked it, costumes aside!0 But curious about reaction! - Very silly. Not even Sean Connery could save this turkey!
It's interesting that even Boorman is on record as advising people to fast forward through the bit where Zed is inside the crystal.
I'm rather pleased to remember that when I read the Narnia books at 10 years old, my reaction, even then, was "Why is the witch automatically the bad guy?"
I'm rather enjoying Beowulf, but am a little perplexed over the exceptionally large number of non-European immigrants in post-Roman Britain. I had thought this was a post 1500 phenomenon.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 March 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Though the vessel in question did not sink it took no further part in the war and the Tuskegee airmen undoubtedly believed at the time that they had sunk it.
I'm afraid this story has very little to do with awful war films, apart from sinking ships... I just recalled one of my relatives was photographed during a ship-busting mission in the Baltic in 1944. The photo series shows them shooting up Soviet ships with the nose mounted 20mm in their Ju88, crew is very keen after hitting a ship. Then the cockpit gets a flak hit. Luckily only light wounds all around. I think the best photo in the series is this one showing them after they land and get into an ambulance. My great uncle Capt. Jouko Saarinen is the one in the middle.
(https://museot.finna.fi/Cover/Show?id=sa-kuva.sa-kuva-121078&fullres=1&index=0&w=600&h=600)
The photographer Nils Helander who flew quite often with my great-uncle and took these photos fell when an airbase was being strafed. Everyone ran for cover, apart from him. He ran onto the tarmac, took aim with his camera and shouted "I'm getting great pictures".
Awfully heroic and pointless...
Cheers,
Aksu
Wow! Good story Aksu.
When I posted about the Tuskegee airmen hitting the Giuseppi Missori I couldn't remember the name and had to google it. Came across the Finnish account that your pictures is part of while rummaging for the info. Colour photos of Finnish bombers being few and far between, in my experience, it attracted my attention and lead me to the B&W images.
No idea, obviously, that it involved a to connection anyone I might come across. The whole "Six Degrees of Separation" thing in action!
(http://gdes.fi/images/ju88.jpg)
U-571 (but only for rewriting history the way it did)
Has there been any other war films that have been criticised in the British Parliament, like this one has?
@ithoriel the world is indeed tiny. The J. Saarinen in the photo you posted is Jorma Saarinen, the fighter ace brother of the bomber pilot Jouko Saarinen who was married to my great aunt. The fighter pilot died during the war (shot down in the last weeks of the war in an ambush while landing). The bomber pilot brother died after the war in an unexplained flying accident, most likely caused by PTSD. Quite sad, really. On a weirder six-degrees note: my dad spent summers at the airbase during the war, and remembers a really large plane landing there once, and everybody being really flustered. Turns out it must have been the time adolf flew over for Mannerheim's birthday. Never realised six degrees goes back in history too :/
Cheers,
Aksu
Quote from: Leman on 26 March 2016, 04:23:09 PM
Still smarting over the entire Light Brigade being clad in red trousers in Charge of the Light Brigade.
According to an article in Military Illustrated many years ago it could have been a lot worse.
Quote from: KTravlos on 26 March 2016, 09:24:06 PM
-King Arthur (the recent Clive Owen one)
I may have to report this past to moderator central, as this film features the original forum sweetheart Keira Knightly!
Plot, historical inaccuracies, dialogue, locations, sets, acting all forgiven as it has Kiera. Nik no doubt will soon food this thread with pictures of her...
food the thread ???
IanS
She's good enough to eat!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 March 2016, 03:35:12 PM
I may have to report this past to moderator central, as this film features the original forum sweetheart Keira Knightly!
Plot, historical inaccuracies, dialogue, locations, sets, acting all forgiven as it has Kiera. Nik no doubt will soon food this thread with pictures of her...
Please dont :(
The girl needs a good feed and a few lessons in acting wouldn't go amiss. She's almost as wet and irritating as Princess Amidala.
No one has mentioned a movie that many considered problematic or down right awful but I happen to like:
The Blackshield of Falworth (based on Howard Fast's "Men of Iron") it may not actually be considered a war movie, however.
Many have placed "Cromwell" on the list. Granted there are many problems, historic and otherwise, BUT it inspired me to get my first ECW 25's (Minifig - which matched the movie in many ways) AND paint everybody with striped sleeves.
See what I mean about rugby? Can't think why Queen Amidala would remind you of Keira Knightly - totally different actress. Funnily enough I was watching episode two last night, and thinking how can these two spark anything in one another when there is absolutely no life in their conversation, except when he's having a spoilt brat whine. Thank god George Lucas is off the project - meesa so, so happy!
Quote from: d_Guy on 29 March 2016, 01:44:00 PM
No one has mentioned a movie that many considered problematic or down right awful but I happen to like:
The Blackshield of Falworth (based on Howard Fast's "Men of Iron") it may not actually be considered a war movie, however.
"Yonder staaands da kassle of moi fader!"
Classic.
I'd add "The Vikings" to that. Same sort of kitch (same actor!)
Quote from: fsn on 29 March 2016, 04:33:57 PM
"Yonder staaands da kassle of moi fader!"
Classic.
I'd add "The Vikings" to that. Same sort of kitch (same actor!)
Yes! Almost mentioned "The Vikings" also - and Earnest Borgnine as Ragnar!
Dear TV people - I understand that most people can't tell the difference between a Mark II spitfire and the later marks, and you have to use what ever you can get, but unless your drama is set between June and December 1944, at least paint the Invasion Stripes out.
Frankly the people supplying the planes should know this, and ensure the aircraft is period ready. I realise that changing the propeller (from 4 to 3 blades) might be a faff, but unless the engine HAS to run cover up the 6 exhausts with a fake 3 exhaust cover.
Just thought of another pretty naff one -Taras Bulba. My, my, Mr Curtis is certainly not flavour of the month here is he?
I liked "Taras Bulba" - I was in love with Christine Kaufmann at the time. Of course that all ended when she married Tony Curtis (the b****rd!)
Taras Bulba was good because Tony Curtis died. Were those armoured Polish cavalry supposed to have wings? I'm not terribly up on C16th -C18th Eastern Europe.
Quote from: Leman on 08 April 2016, 04:16:04 PM
Taras Bulba was good because Tony Curtis died. Were those armoured Polish cavalry supposed to have wings? I'm not terribly up on C16th -C18th Eastern Europe.
Obviously not in the Hollywood version, but yes they supposedly wore wings from the very late 16th to the late 18th Century, but nowadays the historical types have concluded that the wings were not worn for battle, only for show as on the Stockholm Roll.
http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/StockholmRoll.htm
The thing is, even if they didn't wear them for fighting, how many wargamers would miss up a chance to paint the one of the most iconic and unique items in warfare. (This is from a wargamer who has nearly finished his first unit of them -Pendraken of course.) Wrote a booklet on the husaria a while ago and my trip to Krakow has rekindled the interest.
Thanks for that Sub. When the legend becomes the fact paint the legend.