My recent sojourn to the less-than-sunny south of the country left with with the realisation that there are bits of military kit that I dislike for no good reason. These items will never see action on my table and it is only because of my unreasoning prejudice. For example:
M3/M5 Honey/Stuart. Stupid tank. Too big to be a light tank, too small to be useful as anything else. Watching a prog the other day when they were quite proud of the fact that the only way they could destroy a German tank was to do a cavalry charge and then fire at point blank range. Yes, I know it was reliable and had a reasonable for a light tank (though this US proggie equated it with the Crusader) but I just can't like it. It may be because there used to be a comic strip in the Victor or the Hotspur or some other great British comic that had children running around behind the lines in a Honey looking for their dads and giving Rommel hell. (Anyone else remember that?) I hated it.
Secondly the M3 Lee/Grant. Stupid big ugly thing that apparently we're supposed to wet out knickers about as it was so special and unique and wasn't it great because it had a 75mm in the sponson? Anyone looked at a Char B1? Anyway, I've always thought the M3 to be an awful thing and I really, really got to hate it when I saw the execrable film "Sahara" with Humphrey Bogarde and a group of stereotypes. I frothed at the mouth when I saw the even worse remake with the less talented and less dead Belushi.
My third choice for a wargaming Room 101 is the King Tiger. I have a gradient of dislike for German tanks of WWII. It goes King Tiger, Tiger, Panther/Pz IV then everything else. this, I notice is in inverse relation to both their "fear factor" and the numbers produced.
So I have no real reason for disliking them, yet dislike them I do. I think it's partially because of their "legend". I also turn my nose up at Romans in lorica segmentata, Napoleonic Highlanders, and Macedonians.
Am I alone? Does anyone else have such irrational dislikes?
Quote from: fsn on 19 March 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Am I alone? Does anyone else have such irrational dislikes?
No. Yes.
Earwigs! B*****d things!
Especially for you!!
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Now seriously, i mostly dislike tankettes.
It just looks like a shoebox with a barrel sticking out.
Just bask in its boxy glory! Bask in it !!!!!!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/TK-3.jpg)
But tankettes are s cuuute!
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Quote from: petercooman on 19 March 2016, 08:05:14 PM
Especially for you!!
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:-& :-&
Quote from: fsn on 19 March 2016, 09:27:40 PM
But tankettes are s cuuute!
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That left one reminds me of this!
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SS uber forces in WW2 games, and the gamers who wet themselves over them. They irk me somewhat
Cheers
Ian
I used to have an irrational dislike for Panzer III's. Reason: Airfix didn't make them. My therapist advised taking a Stug III, chopping its head superstructure off and replacing with the head turret of a Panzer IV. It worked! I could then litter the desert with burning British Cruisers...and HONEYsL
My therapist made no comment about my irrational hatred of Tony Blair, Tom Cruise, Leonardo de Craprio...
Wouldn't Tony Blair with the turret of a PzIV be a bit dangerous?
Quote from: petercooman on 19 March 2016, 09:37:22 PM
That left one reminds me of this!
Sad thing is that those bumps on the UE were added after the prototype went off road. They were made by the unprotected heads of the crew.
I may be mistaken on that. I get easily confused.
Quote from: fsn on 19 March 2016, 10:10:44 PM
Wouldn't Tony Blair with the turret of a PzIV be a bit dangerous?
Dangerous enough as he was! >:(
On a sadder but still rather crazy notion: upon the recent death of ELP's Keith Emmerson, I was thinking about 'Tarkas' LP...and what someone who had the mind and patience could do with AFVs and animal, (or human 'ish!) , parts. Would not have Blair on my table...even in bits! :o
Quote from: Sandinista on 19 March 2016, 09:44:41 PM
SS uber forces in WW2 games, and the gamers who wet themselves over them. They irk me somewhat
Cheers
Ian
Remind them who won ;)
Or give them the Falschirmjagers comment from Normandy about how the SS only know how to do two things - die, or run away.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 20 March 2016, 12:01:25 AM
Or give them the Falschirmjagers comment from Normandy about how the SS only know how to do two things - die, or run away.
:D :D :D
Cheers
Ian
Guards and other supposedly "elite" units, in any army, and ALL FOREIGNERS.
IanS ;)
Tanks, bloody boring tin boxes. Might see a bit of use in the RCW, but otherwise, no!
I must say we never use the veteran, SS etc .. stats in BKC. only thing that sees use are regular army and fortress troops. Has something to do with having trouble remembering wich base is what though ;D
Hi
Ancients, naval games, 28mm, anyone using the whole French imperial guard, games workshop apart from space hulk, ww1 games (too harrowing). Can't think of any more at the more.
Jim
Oh yes and SAFC even if the Toon manage beat them today.
Gamers who assume troops in colourful uniforms or ordered lines were therefore somehow mentally defective.
Why is WWI more harrowing than any other war? At Towton more Britons were killed on British soil than on the first day of the Somme. At Flodden almost the whole of the Scottish ruling elite was wiped out leaving Scotland in a far greater mess than after WWI. I dislike the way the anti-war sentiments of the 60s have coloured the view of WWI as opposed to any other war. It was a war fuelled by national jingoistic pride and very much of its time. It was also the first war in which the British used conscription and most soldiers were not professionals. They were also able to express their thoughts in writing to a greater degree than previously. Somehow I doubt those thoughts were any different from soldiers' thoughts throughout history. All wars are harrowing resulting in massacres, destruction of families, unfulfilled human promise etc. Unfortunately they are also part of the human condition - greed, protecting the area around you, competition for resources, the quest for adventure, cultural psyche and so on.
I'm with FK on this one. Colourful uniforms were a way of avoiding friendly fire situations at a time when ranges were relatively short. Close ranks was a way of ensuring the maximum delivery of firepower at a time when firearms were relatively inaccurate.
Oh, and gamers who treat all Japanese combat as basically skirmishes between supermen, always with a cherry-tree blossoming in the background, and fewer than twenty figures on the table, always with a bald, unarmoured archer using a bow at two foot range, six naginatas but no pikes, and a geisha right next to the action.
Americans who don't realise that there was a civil war in Britain, with rather important results.
Rules that leave one side in a cavalry melee wiped out, and the other reduced to 10% of its starting numbers.
Reports that always treat Muslim armies as the bad guys.
Gratuitous family values scenes in movies, when we're waiting for the nudity and violence to get going.
1. People who keep banging on about their own pet projects
2. The fact Pendraken STILL don't make a Soviet 203mm tracked howitzer or a Soviet 3-men-in-a-trench model ;)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 20 March 2016, 11:20:26 AM
Americans who don't realise that there was a civil war in Britain, with rather important results.
Several!
Quote from: Leman on 20 March 2016, 11:02:02 AM
Why is WWI more harrowing than any other war?
I say to those who criticise WWI generals "you have no flanks, no tanks, no airpower. You don't have enough artillery and your troops were all civvies 6 months ago. Now, how do you take that trench line ahead?"
Quote from: fsn on 20 March 2016, 12:02:21 PM
I say to those who criticise WWI generals "you have no flanks, no tanks, no airpower. You don't have enough artillery and your troops were all civvies 6 months ago. Now, how do you take that trench line ahead?"
Could try opening diplomatic channels?
Jibber a FK, whose side are you on? Are trying to be shot as a defeatist turncoat?!
There's your problem. It's not just the fighting that's going on, but also the culture and milieu of the time. No point looking at WWI through the cultural eyes of a C21st western liberal European.
There were pacifist voices in Europe by 1916 too. If rather indistinctly heard from the prison cells.
Fools with little knowledge putting other fools with little knowledge in charge of the official oppositions defence policy for this country, when it is my family they are supposed to protect with that policy. >:(
Historians who are very knowledgeable about the first day of the Somme but have never considered the situation on the last day >:(
photobucket >:(
Quote from: Leman on 20 March 2016, 11:02:02 AM
Why is WWI more harrowing than any other war? At Towton more Britons were killed on British soil than on the first day of the Somme. At Flodden almost the whole of the Scottish ruling elite was wiped out leaving Scotland in a far greater mess than after WWI. I dislike the way the anti-war sentiments of the 60s have coloured the view of WWI as opposed to any other war. It was a war fuelled by national jingoistic pride and very much of its time. It was also the first war in which the British used conscription and most soldiers were not professionals. They were also able to express their thoughts in writing to a greater degree than previously. Somehow I doubt those thoughts were any different from soldiers' thoughts throughout history. All wars are harrowing resulting in massacres, destruction of families, unfulfilled human promise etc. Unfortunately they are also part of the human condition - greed, protecting the area around you, competition for resources, the quest for adventure, cultural psyche and so on.
Seconded
Quote from: FierceKitty on 20 March 2016, 11:22:26 AM
Rules that leave one side in a cavalry melee wiped out, and the other reduced to 10% of its starting numbers.
OK. BUT...having once been coerced into a 'silly game' on horseback, a melee should end with 5% fallen orff, 5% b******d orff, 88% wandering about thinking "WTF is going on?", 8% of BOTH sides thinking "I WON!!...didn't I?)", 1% gone for a smoke and the 1% instigators p**ing themselves, laughing, 'cos they got paid for it!
And that is without swords and pistols...and, multiplied x10+, is why you have bugles,
Actually, the proportions work out..throw evens as to who won! lol. ;D
Stupid thing is...you'll do it again...even if you don't want to, so rules aren't TOO wrong to decide a combat. Just most casualties can reform eventually! Infantry have more sense...find a hole. ;)
O.K. Maths not good at 02.00....just add in Prince Rupert's Poodle, or whatever! lol.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 20 March 2016, 11:23:38 AM
Reports that always treat Muslim armies as the bad guys.
Have you read Amin Maalouf's "The Crusades through Arab eyes"? I found it a very readable history
Cheers
Ian
Thanks. I'll watch out for it.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 20 March 2016, 11:25:22 AM
Gratuitous family values scenes in movies, when we're waiting for the nudity and violence to get going.
But enough about your life.
People who think politicians should treat defence policy as 'Army with a country attached.'
I don't hate 'Honey's' but never understood the love for them. Yes, they were easy to maintain. Nut thin armour and undergunned... In a tank?
The Stuart/ Honey isn't an under-gunned, under-armoured tank it's a well armed, adequately armoured, tracked scout car.
Given its introduction dates it's a bloody good MBT if only because it's quite likely to be a runner with a working gun as opposed to broken down!
But compared to the A9 and A13 they were used to in the desert, they were a much better tank! The armour was nearly twice as thick, and the top speed was much better, plus an extra mg...
Their tracks are too narrow, these M3's get stuck in the mud when the rasputitsa comes! Their engines guzzle high octane fuel needed by our airforce! They catch fire too easily when hit! No wonder the Americans off-loaded them on to us. Upgraded M5's? Pah! You can keep them.
:) :) :)
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 19 March 2016, 10:02:58 PM
My therapist made no comment about my irrational hatred of Tony Blair, Tom Cruise, Leonardo de Craprio...
None of those are irrational.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 21 March 2016, 08:06:28 PM
Given its introduction dates it's a bloody good MBT if only because it's quite likely to be a runner with a working gun as opposed to broken down!
The gun is on par with other british tanks in the desert and I think the reliability is the main reason they were liked - they did not break down leaving you in the middle of nowhere in 110F + heat
Having read the serviceability stats of British armour a couple years ago, exactly that - having 50% runners of a poor tank is better than 0% runners of an equally poor tank :D
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 22 March 2016, 11:13:31 AM
The gun is on par with other british tanks in the desert and I think the reliability is the main reason they were liked - they did not break down leaving you in the middle of nowhere in 110F + heat
True .... they ran out of fuel instead! High speed and short range means you outrun supplies rather easily.
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics ;)
Tread heads who hijack any thread they encounter and turn it to their own nerdy uses.
People who assume the first few thousand years of warfare somehow eclipse the last few decades. If you're not careful I'll mention Centurions ;)
People who ignore the first 50% of military history :P
82.475% of People who moan about % of military history!
That's an oddly specific statistic. I think it's likely dubious, and I dislike dubious cherry picking of stats. See, brought it back to dislikes!
I'm not debating the merits of the Honey. It doesn't matter if it was good , bad or indifferent. I just don't like it. That's why it won't appear in my armies.
I'm the same about the Chieftain, T34, French Old Guard, Hussars in general (give me a light dragoon any day), P47 Thunderbolt, Spads, quadremes, unarmoured elephants, most things starting "irregular" and officers who came up from the ranks.
These are, as far as I can see it, irrational dislikes. For all that, I still field a Soviet 1941 army with T28's, T35's, KV1's and KV2s. Now yer BT series, I loves me a BT.
People who refuse to admit that the Spad XIII was the most beautiful combat aircraft ever to fly.
Quote from: fsn on 22 March 2016, 12:48:04 PM
These are, as far as I can see it, irrational dislikes. For all that, I still field a Soviet 1941 army with T28's, T35's, KV1's and KV2s. Now yer BT series, I loves me a BT.
T35 - Where did you get that from !!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 March 2016, 12:19:41 PM
People who ignore the first 50% of military history :P
Especially bookshops - a couple of books on the Romans, medieval warfare, maybe the ECW and ACW then 300 books on WWI and WWII.
Might we add, books on the Romans that pay no attention to any research since Gibbon, or to any medieval warfare in the non-Latin-speaking part of the world?
....and are heavily illustrated with Victorian woodcuts.
Yes, I'd forgotten that one; but etchings, I think? ;D
Just so long as you don't want to come upstairs and see mine ;D ;D.
Actually, my collection of woodblocks is upstairs. The shunga being in the bedroom, in case they get anyone into the mood....
Quote from: FierceKitty on 23 March 2016, 02:05:46 PM
Actually, my collection of woodblocks is upstairs. The shunga being in the bedroom, in case they get anyone into the mood....
I thought your bedroom was already rather crowded :)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 23 March 2016, 03:25:50 PM
I thought your bedroom was already rather crowded :)
It's like a Madness concert in there........
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 23 March 2016, 03:25:50 PM
I thought your bedroom was already rather crowded :)
Sadly, less so. The Other Woman is back in Europe.
Oops! Sorry guys! :-[. I'll just shut the door and go on down stairs!
Quote from: d_Guy on 24 March 2016, 03:11:13 AM
Oops! Sorry guys! :-[. I'll just shut the door and go on down stairs!
Oh no you don't,
Captain.....
You want that crown on your shoulder don't you? Yes, I thought so..... Well get back in there and massage Nobby's thighs!
QUICK MARCH!!!
Quote from: Tawa on 24 March 2016, 03:05:51 PM
Oh no you don't, Captain.....
You want that crown on your shoulder don't you? Yes, I thought so..... Well get back in there and massage Nobby's thighs!
QUICK MARCH!!!
;D ;D
Well
Major anyone who accurately quotes Tyrion Lannister (elsewhere) gets my props and possibly should be obeyed
Spotty German camouflage. It's like finger painting.
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Very dignified.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2005tzp.jpg)
Snazzy!
(http://www.creativecrash.com/system/photos/000/102/518/102518/big/Elefant_02.jpg?1281983144)
Understated and subtle
(http://www.megahobby.com/productimages/afv/AFV35103.jpg)
No. This is a crew with too much time on their hands and no thought to modelers of the future.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 22 March 2016, 12:50:23 PM
People who refuse to admit that the Spad XIII was the most beautiful combat aircraft ever to fly.
Spitfire - Mks II or V.
That mean you dislike the Spitfire.
IanS
I REALLY dislike pay toilets!
I dislike hearing the radio advert telling me "that its a popular misconception that you can see the Great Wall of China from the Moon."
Its not the bloody Moon, you fact-less nitwits. Its meant to be "from Space."
Even then I bet you can't really distinguish it.
Also, I dislike that people don't recognise that the Short Sunderland is the greatest combat aircraft every built. :P
and I dislike that people think the The Godfather book is second-best to the film. There's only one part of the film which I wish was featured in the book, and that's the part where Clemenza is cooking for his soldiers after they've gone to the mattresses and he tells Michael Corleone to come over and learn what its like to lead men and the need to provide for them.
I also dislike that other authors have been messing with The Godfather saga and have introduced other books, after Puzo's death.
I dislike anything but Heinz Tomato Ketchup on my pancakes.
Ketchup .... on pancakes ... :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-&
P40 Warhawk - awful plane whose only redeeming fature seems to have been sharks teeth
Brewster Buffalo - ugly little thing
P39 Aircobra - ... ugh
The P40 is a competent Air Superiority fighter and IT HAS COOL SHARKS TEETH!!
As to the Kobrushka it was a great little fighter once you stripped out the unnecessary wing guns.
"I liked the Cobra, especially the Q-5 version. It was the lightest version of all Cobras and was the best fighter I ever flew. The cockpit was very comfortable, and visibility was outstanding. The instrument panel was very ergonomic, with the entire complement of instruments right up to an artificial horizon and radio compass. It even had a relief tube in the shape of a funnel. The armored glass was very strong, extremely thick. The armor on the back was also thick. The oxygen equipment was reliable, although the mask was quite small, only covering the nose and mouth. We wore that mask only at high altitude. The HF radio set was powerful, reliable and clear." - Soviet pilot Nikolai G. Golodnikov, recalling his experiences of the P-39
Quote from: d_Guy on 25 March 2016, 04:30:37 PM
I REALLY dislike pay toilets!
I got caught short at Euston once, before they had change machines there. I only had a £10 note. I jumped the barrier and got stopped by the attendant, who told me to go back out. I explained my predicament and said you have two options - You can let me go and use the toilet or you can clean up outside when go out there.
He saw my point.
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 25 March 2016, 06:22:03 PM
I got caught short at Euston once, before they had change machines there. I only had a £10 note. I jumped the barrier and got stopped by the attendant, who told me to go back out. I explained my predicament and said you have two options - You can let me go and use the toilet or you can clean up outside when go out there.
He saw my point.
You have nailed the point precisely!
If they were truly cunning they would put them inside so you have to pay to get out!
Quote from: Last Hussar on 25 March 2016, 03:53:44 PM
Spitfire - Mks II or V.
Good competitor, I won't deny it.
But the SPAD is also faster than its enemies; great aircraft to survive a dogfight with!
Again, I emphasis that my dislikes aren't necessarily rational.
I'm sure the Spad is lovely and it's parents love it ... but I don't like it. It will never see action on my table. It might appear as wreckage, but that's it.
Stukas also have shark's teeth sometimes.
And snakes...
IanS
Roast chestnuts - the flavour makes me feel nauseous.
Snakes on a plane?
Isn't there a film about that???
Hope it isn't flying to Ireland. It would make St.Patrick's work irrelevant.
Quote from: Leman on 26 March 2016, 10:35:56 AM
Roast chestnuts - the flavour makes me feel nauseous.
Really? Is it specifically the roasted ones that you dislike? One of the very few decent meals I had in my time in China was a hotplate stew of chicken with water chestnuts (which have nothing to do with conkers) and real chestnuts in a rich sauce. And there's a French sausage with pork and chestnuts that sounds quite delicious.
It is, by the way, quite hard to persuade SE Asians that people from other parts of the world can also buy roast chestnuts off braziers beside the road. Lee was amazed to see 'em in Italy.
Yes, it's the roast ones. I love water chestnuts and chestnut stuffing, but roast chestnuts leave me with a peculiar aftertaste that makes me feel quite queasy. I also get it with some varieties of apples, e.g. Pink Lady fine but Royal Gala a definite no no.
The American habit of starting a statement to introduce a new topic with "So", when there's no blasted result element at all.
The American - and rapidly spreading! - need to use the word "like" as punctuation. STOP IT!!!! >:(
For me.....Even worse, is listening to a phone in, and hearing someone using "You know" every few seconds.
I'm afraid I stop listening to what they're saying, and just count the number of times they use that particular verbal tic.
Some are absolutely astounding.
There seem to be more "You knows" than coherent speech. !
Cheers - AAAAARGH !!
You know Phil you could be right. 😈
So...Like...you don't care for our speech patterns? :(
The current predilection for using the word 'awesome' as an exclamation!
A certain panda has a part to play in that.
Quote from: d_Guy on 26 March 2016, 02:23:11 PM
So...Like...you don't care for our speech patterns? :(
No. ;D
Let's pause and remind ourselves of the atrocities regularly committed against English by non-American speakers too.
There was loads of sense in what FK said, you know what I mean, like.
Like, awesome, dude.
Uh - like - before we start on spelling issues - "Awsome" reflects our broad initial vowel pronunciation. Just say'un.
Just imagine how they would feel if we overused 'gosh, that was rather spiffing!'
Spelling in English is something we can only blush about!
I don't like the British pronunciation on "Mandatory" - seems like that would be a gay bar (with no slight meant to different life-styles)!
What's a suitable name for a glum bar?
I don't like the American pronunciation of laboratory, Iran, Iraq and their inability to recognise that football is the biggest game in the world and what they play is rugby league in armour.
Don't get me started on Aluminium >:( >:( >:(
The American pronunciation is correct. The English one is the deviant. Unpalatable, but historically demonstrable.
Next you'll be telling us that gotten is some Elizabethan leftover.
Against the grain, I do like "two nations divided by the same language."
Americans are also more likely to use subjunctives correctly than Brits, I've noticed.
I dislike the way I keep confusing this thread with 'it's the little things that irritate.'
That sounds a little irritating.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 March 2016, 04:32:49 PM
What's a suitable name for a glum bar?
That would be the American legal profession the day after "loser pays" is made mandatory.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 March 2016, 04:38:33 PM
Don't get me started on Aluminium >:( >:( >:(
I actually use yours because I get tongue tied with ours!
I can understand that. Over here aloo-minum sounds like something one would find on an Indian takeaway menu. ;)
Completely agree about the football. One of the biggest games in the international calendar is on tonight.
Quote from: Subedai on 26 March 2016, 05:57:25 PM
I can understand that. Over here aloo-minum sounds like something one would find on an Indian takeaway menu. ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Leman on 26 March 2016, 04:33:57 PM
I don't like the American pronunciation of laboratory, Iran, Iraq and their inability to recognise that football is the biggest game in the world and what they play is rugby league in armour.
I also like your pronunciation of laboratory because of all the Hammer Film Frankenstein movies I watched in the fifties. Iran and Iran - broad I's broad A's is what we does! We doesnt's like soccer, precious, 'cause we just got beat 2-0 by Guatemala! Incidently we wear huge amounts of armor to play football but don't wear no cups! 'Struth!
I'm finding this a target rich thread for "likes". I like that UKers, but English in particular, pronounce every French word exactly as it is spelled!
:-bd
I dislike that you then turn around and do just the opposite to many names and places.
Rule one would suggest that the name Beauchamp should be Bo-Champ - only rule two assures that it isn't!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot :D
Some French words arrived in Britain when we went to France and heard them there.
Some arrived in armour, on a horse, built a castle and stayed here!
:)
Quote from: Subedai on 26 March 2016, 05:57:25 PM
I can understand that. Over here aloo-minum sounds like something one would find on an Indian takeaway menu. ;)
Well played! :-bd ;D
Quote from: d_Guy on 27 March 2016, 02:51:09 AM
I also like your pronunciation of laboratory because of all the Hammer Film Frankenstein movies I watched in the fifties. Iran and Iran - broad I's broad A's is what we does! We doesnt's like soccer, precious, 'cause we just got beat 2-0 by Guatemala! Incidently we wear huge amounts of armor to play football but don't wear no cups! 'Struth!
I'm finding this a target rich thread for "likes". I like that UKers, but English in particular, pronounce every French word exactly as it is spelled!
:-bd
I dislike that you then turn around and do just the opposite to many names and places.
Rule one would suggest that the name Beauchamp should be Bo-Champ - only rule two assures that it isn't!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot :D
No, no, it's spelled "Luxury Yacht", but it's pronounced "Throatwobbler Mangrove."
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 March 2016, 04:40:27 PM
The American pronunciation is correct. The English one is the deviant. Unpalatable, but historically demonstrable.
An inability to move with the times is no excuse!
I'd suggest someone have a word with the Americans but frankly with Hillary and The Donald as front runners for their new leader they have enough problems as it is!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 27 March 2016, 03:09:54 AM
I'd suggest someone have a word with the Americans but frankly with Hillary and The Donald as front runners for their new leader they have enough problems as it is!
It's early yet - Bertram J Luxury Yacht may arise in one of the conventions.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 27 March 2016, 02:59:21 AM
Some French words arrived in Britain when we went to France and heard them there.
Some arrived in armour, on a horse, built a castle and stayed here!
:)
"Wipers" is my all time favorite - uh - unless that's how it is actually pronounced "over there"
Thai workmen who arrive two hours late and turn out to have left a critical item behind on the other side of town.
Listening to a talking book, where the author uses 'Fit' as the past tense of 'Fit'
"He fit the key, into the lock."
(No he didn't, he fitted it into the lock.....Surely ?)....Advise please, Kitty.
Cheers - Phil.
My Kindle pronounced "beans" as "bins".
It also says "Street Mary" for "St Mary".
Quote from: Techno on 27 March 2016, 07:59:39 AM
Listening to a talking book, where the author uses 'Fit' as the past tense of 'Fit'
"He fit the key, into the lock."
(No he didn't, he fitted it into the lock.....Surely ?)....Advise please, Kitty.
Cheers - Phil.
Fit = US irregular past tense.
Using "hung" for "hanged" with respect to capital punishment.
"Montrose was hung in 1650" for "Montrose was hanged in 1650"
Of course the first usage MAY be correct if something else is implied! :-\ :)
Quote from: d_Guy on 27 March 2016, 12:17:21 PM
Using "hung" for "hanged" with respect to capital punishment.
"Montrose was hung in 1650" for "Montrose was hanged in 1650"
Of course the first usage MAY be correct if something else is implied! :-\ :)
Was anything worn under his kilt? Or was it all in good working condition?
The Gaulish cavalry that repeatedly failed to break the Indians facing them in today's successor Macedonians game.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 27 March 2016, 12:19:13 PM
Was anything worn under his kilt? Or was it all in good working condition?
He was apparently dressed to the nines in conventional clothing so the issue didn't come up - so to speak.
Quote from: d_Guy on 27 March 2016, 03:17:39 AM
"Wipers" is my all time favorite - uh - unless that's how it is actually pronounced "over there"
As it is in the Flemish area of Belgium it now appears as Ieper, which I believe is pronounced Yayper.
Cambrai Barracks on Catterick Garrison.
Locally called Cambria (pronounced like Cumbria, but with an A as the second letter).
Ypres, I pronounce it 'Eep-r'. But then I also pronounce Redcar as Red-ka, Crook as Crew-k, and Hawes as Whores (Ah, no, that is how its pronounced!).
Not really a dislike but an observation on the differences within the American language. Why is the name of the state of Arkansas pronounced Arkansaw but Kansas and Texas have the same final two letters but are pronounced -not with a 'w'- but with the 's' intact? Do different states have different linguistic applications?
Hoping for enlightenment.
Confused
American State names. Don't know the answer, but I reckon it might have something to do with the natural inhabitants of the areas, or the Spanish Empire.
Taken from Wikipedia:
Arkansas: Its name is of Siouan derivation, denoting the Quapaw Indians.
Kansas: It is named after the Kansa Native American tribe, which inhabited the area. The tribe's name (natively kką:ze) is often said to mean "people of the wind" or "people of the south wind", although this was probably not the term's original meaning.
Texas: (Spanish: Texas or Tejas [ˈtexas]). The term "six flags over Texas" refers to several nations that have ruled over the territory. Spain was the first European country to claim the area of Texas. France held a short-lived colony in Texas. Mexico controlled the territory until 1836 when Texas won its independence, becoming an independent Republic. In 1845, Texas joined the United States as the 28th state. The state's annexation set off a chain of events that caused the Mexican–American War in 1846. A slave state, Texas declared its secession from the United States in early 1861, and officially joined the Confederate States on March 2 of the same year. After the consequent Civil War and the restoration of its representation in the federal government, Texas entered a long period of economic stagnation.
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 27 March 2016, 05:34:42 PM
American State names.
Actually -off the top of my - so possibly wrong - there are bunches that use names of indigenous peoples (or thier place names)
Massachusetts, Conneticut, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, Mississippi, Missouri, Utah, the Dakotas, Alaska, Hawaii,Kansas and maybe others.
Of course European rulers gave us Maryland, the Virginias, the Carolinas, and Louisiana. The origin of New York, New Jersey, and New Hampshire are obvious. an English Admiral gave us Pennsylvania. Rhode Island I know not.
Quote from: d_Guy on 27 March 2016, 06:43:42 PM
Rhode Island I know not.
It was named after a chicken.
A communist chicken?
I thought Pennsylvania was after William Penn, noted Quaker, pacifist and least likely person to be an admiral after The Wicked Witch of the West who had the whole "I'm melting" thing.
So did Missouri get named after the tribe after the river or vice versa?
"Oh! Hi Io."
"How are you Tah?"
"Bit down. I miss Ouri."
"Yeah, and Inoi still isn't well."
"Ill Inoi? Too bad. Oh, I asked her about her husband."
"Mrs Ippi? What happened to Mr Ippi?"
"I don't know. I'll ask her again."
***Enter Geordie t**t ***
"Hawaii mon. Haws about ya? D'ya like ma new jersey?"
"Hows your girlfriend Geordie t**t?"
"Flo? Ride 'er every day. Cos I says to her I don't want no virgin in ere. It's a waste virgin in 'ere."
"You're a t**t, Geordie t**t"
"Aye. Fair enuff. But she does need a slap. In fact I owe her one."
"You're maine to her. Bet you even tell her how to dress."
"Aye. I say 'Della, wear that', and she does."
"Hey! have you seen this Bambi painting by numbers?"
"Wahay! Cool man! I'd lik to colour a doe."
"Well we've got to be going Geordie t**t. I'm picking up my sister from the airport."
"Really, what time does Mary land?"
"As if I'd tell you. She's come over to watch Wimbledon."
"I lik tennis, see it all the time on the telly, lik."
"I'm sure you do, Geordie t**t. Now be a good Geordie t**t and t**t off will you?"
Quote from: Subedai on 27 March 2016, 05:00:27 PM
Not really a dislike but an observation on the differences within the American language. Why is the name of the state of Arkansas pronounced Arkansaw but Kansas and Texas have the same final two letters but are pronounced -not with a 'w'- but with the 's' intact? Do different states have different linguistic applications?
Hoping for enlightenment.
Confused
Sorry - in a rush this AM - I missed your question and responded about indigenous names. That is a dang good question! And I remembered something about French - any way I found this article which offers an explainations:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2
Quote from: fsn on 27 March 2016, 10:15:42 PM
I thought Pennsylvania was after William Penn, noted Quaker, pacifist and least likely person to be an admiral after The Wicked Witch of the West who had the whole "I'm melting" thing.
So did Missouri get named after the tribe after the river or vice versa?
"Oh! Hi Io."
"How are you Tah?"
"Bit down. I miss Ouri."
"Yeah, and Inoi still isn't well."
"Ill Inoi? Too bad. Oh, I asked her about her husband."
"Mrs Ippi? What happened to Mr Ippi?"
"I don't know. I'll ask her again."
***Enter Geordie t**t ***
"Hawaii mon. Haws about ya? D'ya like ma new jersey?"
"Hows your girlfriend Geordie t**t?"
"Flo? Ride 'er every day. Cos I says to her I don't want no virgin in ere. It's a waste virgin in 'ere."
"You're a t**t, Geordie t**t"
"Aye. Fair enuff. But she does need a slap. In fact I owe her one."
"You're maine to her. Bet you even tell her how to dress."
"Aye. I say 'Della, wear that', and she does."
"Hey! have you seen this Bambi painting by numbers?"
"Wahay! Cool man! I'd lik to colour a doe."
"Well we've got to be going Geordie t**t. I'm picking up my sister from the airport."
"Really, what time does Mary land?"
"As if I'd tell you. She's come over to watch Wimbledon."
"I lik tennis, see it all the time on the telly, lik."
"I'm sure you do, Geordie t**t. Now be a good Geordie t**t and t**t off will you?"
Holy suffering succotash and little green apples!! Bravo!
I will state here emphatically that you are absolutely right! It was William Penn's father William who was the admiral. As I age everything shrinks and memory conflates!
Many on this forum have travelled in the the States (or live here) so you know that we have tribal names and expressions all over the place. The interesting thing about this is a lack of agreement about what many of them mean. What is "the beautiful green mountain with streaming clouds" my get translated as "the giant steaming pile of buffalo dung" not forty miles down the road.
fsn's song may not be far off the mark.
Didn't Columbus discover that?
Quote from: d_Guy on 27 March 2016, 10:51:46 PM
Sorry - in a rush this AM - I missed your question and responded about indigenous names. That is a dang good question! And I remembered something about French - any way I found this article which offers an explainations:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2
Enlightenment gained, ta for that.
Quote from: Leman on 28 March 2016, 08:44:31 AM
Didn't Columbus discover that?
The detective with the dirty raincoat?
X_X
Coat !
Cheers - Phil.
Shirley - DIRTY COAT
IanS
I think Nobby's cleaned it already, Ian.
Cheers - Phil
Nobby - CLEAN IT !!!!!!
IanS
It hangs the coat up on the stand or it gets the hose again!!!!
Don't call me Shirley!
Quote from: Sandinista on 21 March 2016, 04:35:18 AM
Have you read Amin Maalouf's "The Crusades through Arab eyes"? I found it a very readable history
Cheers
Ian
I'll second that ! Great book !
Amin Maalouf is one of the greatest writer in french, I hope the english translation is fine.
Is that the one that upset TMP before Christmas? That was an awful lot of sound and fury.
Well if it upset TMP it must be good.😎
Quote from: Leman on 30 March 2016, 05:54:43 PM
Don't call me Shirley!
Took youse long enogh to see that one.
Quote from: JeffNNN on 30 March 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Well if it upset TMP it must be good.😎
Huzzah! Brylcreem and Cherry all around! Somebody make that man a leftenant!
Or, for the New Worlders here, a LOOTenunt. The term originated in the American forces because newly-promoted junior officers took an inordinately long time enjoying the comfort of the far superior officers' latrines, and were thus derisively nicknamed loo tenants.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 31 March 2016, 11:31:29 PM
Or, for the New Worlders here, a LOOTenunt. The term originated in the American forces because newly-promoted junior officers took an inordinately long time enjoying the comfort of the far superior officers' latrines, and were thus derisively nicknamed loo tenants.
:)
Your etymology sounds entirely plausible but breaks down a bit when you consider we don't call them loos (or looi?)
We call them cans, johns (English origin?), or several other things, some even accompanied by sound effects.
A Johntennant would be named after an Australian bushranger. (Apparently)
Cheers - Phil.
I've met two Americans who did call them loos (though admittedly far more who hooted with derision at the word). Check out Tom Lehrer singing I got it from Agnes.
Hope it wasn't the =D>
It is. Listen to the song; it's good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h50xcQh8vA
Quote from: Tawa on 31 March 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Huzzah! Brylcreem and Cherry all around! Somebody make that man a leftenant!
Thank you kindly sir. One of my little amusements is looking at the Dawghouse to see just what unutterable drivel has got someone incarcerated there. To pinch an idea Trump is what you get if the Dawghouse comments were a human being.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 01 April 2016, 06:10:09 AM
I've met two Americans who did call them loos (though admittedly far more who hooted with derision at the word). Check out Tom Lehrer singing I got it from Agnes.
;D excellent! Neo-Music Hall at its best. But to be fair, "can" doesn't rhyme with "who" or "you".
As to Americans saying "loo" - we generally try to be polite to visitors and remember, as I've noted before, we tend to defer to anyone with a posh English accent - thinking the men smarter and the women smarter AND hotter!
Quote from: d_Guy on 01 April 2016, 03:53:34 PM
;D excellent! Neo-Music Hall at its best. But to be fair, "can" doesn't rhyme with "who" or "you".
As to Americans saying "loo" - we generally try to be polite to visitors and remember, as I've noted before, we tend to defer to anyone with a posh English accent - thinking the men smarter and the women smarter AND hotter!
Over here we call people with posh accents either a Rupert or a Henrietta for the exact opposite reasons. Inbreeding, don't you know.
Do you live in Norwich?
Quote from: Leman on 01 April 2016, 05:48:37 PM
Do you live in Norwich?
Connecticut?
Oh! ...Sorry! You weren't speaking to me! Besides it Norwalk :-[
In the UK Norwich has the same connotations as Tennessee in the US.
Quote from: Leman on 01 April 2016, 06:29:49 PM
In the UK Norwich has the same connotations as Tennessee in the US.
I hate to ask but what would connote West Virginia in UK?
Quite close - I went to a pub in the depths of Northumberland once, and remarked that it reminded me of scenes in "Justified."
Quote from: Leman on 01 April 2016, 06:42:42 PM
Quite close - I went to a pub in the depths of Northumberland once, and remarked that it reminded me of scenes in "Justified."
Try some of the pubs in Brum...the only thing missing is the plaintive sound of Duelling Banjo's!
This actually fits quite well with the topic's title, "Dislikes".
Back when I worked with my Father, he was a carpenter-joiner, we worked for Scottish and Newcastle Breweries on the pub maintenance side of things. Suffice to say, I could mention a number of pubs by name that would feature in a dislikes list of places to work.
Worse place to work in a pub? Gent's toilets while they're in use - drunks peeing on the tools.
Another time and pub, we were fixing the toilet cubicle door and this lad kept coming backwards and forwards into the lav's asking if he could use the toilet stall as, to quote, "I'm having to bake it."
Or, happy hour session on a weekday afternoon, and being propositioned by a drunk middle-aged woman. Not in the gent's toilets, I hasten to add.
I really disliked working amongst the drunks.
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 02 April 2016, 03:35:34 PM
drunks peeing on the tools.
You are probably lucky it was only pee!
As to "dueling banjos" that was actually north Georgia - but it's a fair cop :)
I must say I always felt pretty much at home in the West Country, Wales north of Cardiff, anywhere in Yorkshire, anywhere north of the Glasgow-Edinburgh metroplex, and pretty much anywhere in Connaght. Not saying I didn't like other places - just more at home.
Quote from: d_Guy on 02 April 2016, 04:19:34 PM
anywhere in Yorkshire,
Which Yorkshire? There's more than one. The county is so great they made four of them :P
There's north North Yorkshire.
There's south North Yorkshire.
There's east North Yorkshire.
And there's west North Yorkshire.
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 02 April 2016, 05:29:19 PM
Which Yorkshire?
:)
I get Ridings and Farthings confused - one is Yorkshire and one is Tolkienshire - but I can't remember which is which.
I have had several homey experiences in and around York (including being fleeced in The Shambles - which is VERY home-like).
I will confess, however, that as a country boy, passing through Bradford-Leeds was a little scary.
Quote from: d_Guy on 03 April 2016, 12:54:10 AM
passing through Bradford-Leeds was a little scary.
Don't worry everyone thinks that about "dirty Leeds" ;)
Cheers
Ian
Yorkshire is Ridings. They mess with county names and boundaries so much in this country you never know where you are. I think they're still worried about fifth columnists. My brother used to live in Avon, which used to be part of Somerset. He now lives in North Somerset, which is still separate from the rest of Somerset. I live in an area called Sefton, which originally was a tiny village in Lancashire. Then the county of Merseyside was created, and Sefton became the whole area of north coastal Merseyside, encompassing large towns like Bootle and Southport. Then Merseyside was scrapped as a county, but still exists as fire, police and ambulance services, as well as having a transport network. Plans are now afoot to change things again and create a Greater Liverpool. It's all very confusing. I have even heard of one man who refused to accept his pension because it was addressed to him in Merseyside and he insists he lives in Lancashire.
Quote from: Leman on 03 April 2016, 07:07:34 AM
I have even heard of one man who refused to accept his pension because it was addressed to him in Merseyside and he insists he lives in Lancashire.
I hope somebody told him to; "Calm down. Calm down."
[Sorry. Couldn't resist :D ]
Yorkshire:
North Yorkshire (though a lot of the Highway Department's road signs are still labelled North Riding of Yorkshire)
South Yorkshire (which is geographically above West Yorkshire. At least it is when driving down the A1)
West Yorkshire
East Riding of Yorkshire (because East Yorkshire doesn't exist. Or they change the name either to Humberside, or East Riding & Humberside, or some't like that?? :-\ )
The best one is that my part of North Yorkshire is labelled not as part of the region of 'Yorkshire', but being as part of the 'North East'.
Serves you right for living in Middle Burg and being neither here nor there.
My list of 'Dislikes' is so broad and far reaching it cannot be constrained by a mere list.
I am however fortunate that it is smaller than my non list of 'Likes', probably because I can't be bovvered with things I don't like; why waste time on stuff you don't like?
Like crap music
Quote from: Sandinista on 03 April 2016, 05:44:37 AM
Don't worry everyone thinks that about "dirty Leeds" ;)
Cheers
Ian
We may have sang something about a dirty man at Headingly earlier in the season..... ;D
Dirty Leeds, done dirt cheap. (AC/DC) :D
Cheers - Phil
Yeah, t'was a song about a bloke that used to "fix it" for kids.
The Leeds fans didn't seem to appreciate the effort we put into our singing....... ;D