Hi all!
I am starting my very first Napoleonic army. The plan is to challenge my friend's 1815 british force using Black Powder rules. I first ordered the 1809 starter pack. I think that this 1809 range is close enough in this scale. I just change the flags to newer versions. Addition to the 1809 range I will add the lancers from the moscow campaign.
I will mix the line fusiliers with and without greatcoats to achieve the campaign look. Line elite company figures will be my grenadiers and voltigeurs. Line grenadiers are my old guard.
Any comments? I am so excited. First two line infantry battalions are soon painted!
Look forward to seeing some photo's Veitikka !......And as that was your first post....A very warm welcome to the forum.
Cheers - Phil
Hello and welcome
Welcome!
Good luck with your project ;)
Hello and welcome to what I've found to be a very friendly and informative forum.
Some people prefer every detail of their figures to be correct while others (like me) just need the players to be able to tell what they represent.
I'm sure your figure choices will be fine and I wish you good luck in your games against les rosbif!
Seconded :)
Welcome
Take care
Andy
Ithoriel, I have been also one of those detail guys, not the worst case though, and that's why planning to do also "1809 command bases" with correct flags for 1809 battles. :d
Apologies for the slight hijacking of this post (assuming you can slightly hijack anything!) I'm hoping to do a 100 days project myself - the British look great, are there plans afoot to release French troops which are suitable for the Waterloo campaign?
Welcome Veltikka, anything to show yet? Charon, I'm not a massive Napoleonic fan, but would the campaign look described by Veltikka disguise any shortcomings of the 1809 figures in 10mm? I've actually used the 1809 dragoons and cuirassiers as 1870 guard cavalry.
Quote from: Charon on 26 March 2016, 10:54:10 AM
Apologies for the slight hijacking of this post (assuming you can slightly hijack anything!) I'm hoping to do a 100 days project myself - the British look great, are there plans afoot to release French troops which are suitable for the Waterloo campaign?
Well, if it was going to Gatwick and you hijack it to Luton, that's "slightly".
Quote from: Leman on 26 March 2016, 11:03:43 AM
Welcome Veltikka, anything to show yet? Charon, I'm not a massive Napoleonic fan, but would the campaign look described by Veltikka disguise any shortcomings of the 1809 figures in 10mm? I've actually used the 1809 dragoons and cuirassiers as 1870 guard cavalry.
I could and may well do if there's no other option - but if there were some French in the 1812 uniform on the way I'd be kicking myself!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 March 2016, 11:06:54 AM
Well, if it was going to Gatwick and you hijack it to Luton, that's "slightly".
Yep, that qualifies ;D
Quote from: Charon on 26 March 2016, 12:52:34 PM
I could and may well do if there's no other option - but if there were some French in the 1812 uniform on the way I'd be kicking myself!
Nothing planned at the moment, it's something we'll come back to at a later date I think. The sculptor has spent so long doing Naps that we need to give him a break with something easier!
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Quote from: veitikka on 20 February 2016, 07:59:17 PM
Hi all!
I am starting my very first Napoleonic army. The plan is to challenge my friend's 1815 british force using Black Powder rules. I first ordered the 1809 starter pack. I think that this 1809 range is close enough in this scale. I just change the flags to newer versions. Addition to the 1809 range I will add the lancers from the moscow campaign.
I will mix the line fusiliers with and without greatcoats to achieve the campaign look. Line elite company figures will be my grenadiers and voltigeurs. Line grenadiers are my old guard.
Any comments? I am so excited. First two line infantry battalions are soon painted!
Welcome Veitikka. Can't fault either your taste or logic. :) It might be worth asking Leon when he expects the Old Guard and Lancers to be released. I know they have been sculpted, it is just where they are in the production release queue is the mystery. We have been waiting quite a while now. :(
Cheers,
Rob :)
The cavalry are getting close, we've been doing some checks on all of the new cavalry to make sure they're ready. The 12pdr and Howitzer were production moulded on Friday and will be released soon as well.
Welcome to the forums!
For 1815 french you can easily use a mix of regular line infantry to get a fairly original mix:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10866.msg139532.html#msg139532
I think using regular line infantry for voltigeurs and grenadiers would give you a more campaign look you might be wanting to go for :)
Quote from: Leon on 26 March 2016, 02:28:50 PM
Nothing planned at the moment, it's something we'll come back to at a later date I think. The sculptor has spent so long doing Naps that we need to give him a break with something easier!
Oh well, that's my plans for 1815 abandoned. Where is the logic in producing a range with only one side?
My napoleonic french project has been seen some serious delays but I am now back in business!
Quote from: Leon026 on 04 April 2016, 05:58:06 AM
I think using regular line infantry for voltigeurs and grenadiers would give you a more campaign look you might be wanting to go for :)
True! The large pom-poms are more 1809 aren't they? But if I don't use those what I should do with 3x regular elite company and 1x in greatcoats? :'(
I also believed that greatcoated line infantry doest't have shako covers but seems like these fellows have. Here is my sample how do I start painting. Vallejo grey primer plus black wash to highlight better the details and do the black lining or so called pre shading.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nogc526slos324/greatcoat_french_preshade.jpg?raw=1)
That mix seems to be working well still! Thanks Leon026 for the tip!
Veitikka, These two plates are by Lucien Rousselot, one time painter to the French army and about as good as modern secondary sources get. As you can see the round pom-pom had been replaced in fusilier companies by a flat disc-shaped type, so you will need to do something about that.
Your 1809 figures in greatcoats will do but I don't know how typical the wearing of greatcoats was at Waterloo, and I doubt anybody does. Finally, by 1815, the infantry sabre had disappeared except in grenadier companies.
There's a way round this. It's called 2mm.
Quote from: Leman on 07 April 2016, 06:44:32 PM
There's a way round this. It's called 2mm.
So there is, and it is so easy to put 2mm stuff away after a game. Just use a vacuum cleaner!
Quote from: John Cook on 08 April 2016, 01:39:06 PM
So there is, and it is so easy to put 2mm stuff away after a game. Just use a vacuum cleaner!
That's cruel. True, but cruel.
Well it is titchy, but it's a quick way to put on a large battle without having to worry about pom poms or trim, but at the same time retaining 3D.
Quote from: Leman on 08 April 2016, 01:51:50 PM
Well it is titchy, but it's a quick way to put on a large battle without having to worry about pom poms or trim, but at the same time retaining 3D.
I know what your problem is - you need a bigger table :)
Work in progress photo:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zig89ll64nkpx0u/nap_wip.jpg?raw=1)
Waiting basing and varnishing. Pompoms will be painted after basing. 6x6 for Black Powder gaming. I don't know still do I mix greatcoats with regular... comments? :)
Nicely painted, Veitikka. The cross belts stand out well and I like that you used shading differences on the greatcoats. Some seem to have had a white base coat or am I misunderstanding the process? Welcome to the forum by the way!
Very nice indeed. Can I ask what flags you use?
Look damn fine, to me ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Greatcoats were worn ad hoc, so mix them any way you like.
Good job on those.
Seconded :)
I believe that the troops wore what they were ordered to wear (or not, as the case may be). I have read that in the case of set piece / pitched battles (where the troops were camped near the enemy the night before, e.g., Borodino), they made every effort 'to look their best' on the day of the battle which, lets face it, might be their last day on Earth (so, parade dress and not campaign dress). However, if it was an encounter battle, there was no time to pretty yourself up and you went straight into the fray as you were dressed on the march, i.e, whatever that was, hot, cold, wet or dry weather.
In other words, do you what you want - you can justify it either way. :)
Hmph. Regular and greatcoat elite infantry does not mix that well because pompoms are different:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxqms667jd3mttn/photo%2014.4.2016%2011.46.52.jpg?dl=0
Maybe that's why it is better to keep these separated. Too bad there is only one pose for greatcoat elites. :(
Quote from: d_Guy on 13 April 2016, 03:19:30 PM
Nicely painted, Veitikka. The cross belts stand out well and I like that you used shading differences on the greatcoats. Some seem to have had a white base coat or am I misunderstanding the process? Welcome to the forum by the way!
Thanks! Colors used are all Vallejo Model Color range. London Grey, Mahogany Brown, Pale Greyblue and German Camo Beige. Washed with Citadel Agrax Earthshade. I use grey primer with black wash to gain preshading. Rest of the process is kind of block painting.
Quote from: quasar42 on 13 April 2016, 03:49:42 PM
Very nice indeed. Can I ask what flags you use?
Printed these flags 39% of the original:
http://www.warflag.com/flags/napoleon/napfrance18121.shtml
And people complain that the FPW is too short to bother gaming!
Quote from: veitikka on 14 April 2016, 08:58:33 AM
Hmph. Regular and greatcoat elite infantry does not mix that well because pompoms are different:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxqms667jd3mttn/photo%2014.4.2016%2011.46.52.jpg?dl=0
I have pondered the same issue. For battalions that include great coat figures I do the elite companies all in greatcoat, but I mix some non-great coat figures into the non-elite companies. Another option would be to clip pompons but that could be too brutal.