Hi, what's the best way to wash 10mm ?
I picked up a tip that if you use satin varnish first it helps the wash stay in the creases. Matt varnish when thoroughly dry. However I no longer wash 10mm figures. Instead I undercoat black and then paint highlights.
Base coat, Windsor and Newton inks, dilute 50/50, most of the time...
See I've always undercoat then highlight too but
Fancied doing a wash but don't have much experience with 10mm .
I have found that if I use ordinary ink, which admittedly works very well, then the only way varnish can be applied is by spray. I am not keen on this method but I have heard that the most reliable spray matt varnish on the market is that supplied by Warlord Games and the least reliable is Humbrol.
Quote from: chalkie on 25 January 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Hi, what's the best way to wash 10mm ?
I wouldn't bother washing 10mm figures.
Undercoat, basecoat, highlight, varnish.
No need for fuss.
I was going to say with a big brush, but then thought that sounded a bit too flippant. :D
If I am going to wash anything I use the Magic Wash method. I have dark brown and black, neither of which needs spray varnish over the top and also acts as a layer of varnish..
I'd actually say use a SMALL brush, with the minimal ammount of wash (OK, not THAT small, a No. 1 will do). I use the Army Painter washes, whatever they're called again. But I'd agree to avoid Humbrol spray varnish.
Magic wash works very well as a top coat, but it is not flat matt. If that does not bother you (and it hasn't bothered me in the past) then it does a very good job. I find the black magic wash makes much more of a difference than the brown.
I use washes, even on my 6mm stuff, usually of Citadel inks or the various XXXtone equivalents. Sometimes thinned with water, sometimes neat, depending on the desired result.
Lemon, what's this magic wash then ? Heard it mentioned a few times at the club but never asked about it.
All I do is paint on all the basecoat colours. Give a generous application of shading wash of GW Agrax Earthshade (brown colour). Use the basecoat colours, or a highlight colour to pick out the detail. That's the method I use for any and all scales.
Quote from: chalkie on 25 January 2016, 05:30:02 PM
Lemon, what's this magic wash then ? Heard it mentioned a few times at the club but never asked about it.
Try here:
www.fat-wally.com
then click on painting service.
I go with the Henry Cooper Brut approach
For what it's worth I use the army painted inks which work fine. I don't think they save any time in comparison to highlighting and you do loose a bit of contrast (in a trade of for brightness) which I think is pretty important for smaller scales. Clearly if you're painting skeletons, armoured knights of ethereal stuff etc. then washes are the way to go - I'm just not sure they're suited ot the old guard.
Quote from: Leman on 25 January 2016, 04:54:22 PM
Magic wash works very well as a top coat, but it is not flat matt. If that does not bother you (and it hasn't bothered me in the past) then it does a very good job. I find the black magic wash makes much more of a difference than the brown.
True, but then again I give all my chaps a coat of matt varnish at the end anyway so it doesn't matter. I think it depends on what you are washing on what colour to use. Browns, reds, flesh and yelllow I use the brown, whilst for blue I use black. Plus it depends on how much brown is in your wash.
I use the magic was method myself. Works well with 10mm
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 25 January 2016, 06:31:36 PM
All I do is paint on all the basecoat colours. Give a generous application of shading wash of GW Agrax Earthshade (brown colour). Use the basecoat colours, or a highlight colour to pick out the detail. That's the method I use for any and all scales.
Thats exactly how I do it
Take care
Andy
If washes are so important to wargamers why is it when you go to shows there seems to be quite a few wagamers that use washes but don't wash!!! :-&
I've experimented with a number of wash/dip methods for 10mm and have pretty much settled on one limited method. I only use a dark flesh wash, I think it's Citadel, on the face and hands of my figures. Otherwise I just use a black primer, apply the block colors and highlight. For horses, I paint them any shade of light brown or tan then use a brown wash to darken the horse before painting the rider, reins and saddlecloth.
Just as a matter of interest....And to go marginally off topic.
Do folk wash (as in, clean) their figures before painting/spraying on an undercoat ?
When I start slapping on the putty, I find the greenstuff sticks more easily to a metal dolly if I've given it a quick clean with 'thinned' washing up liquid (and a really old, splayed brush.)
If I've used Dr Emmel on a figure that I'm converting, the same thing applies, otherwise I get lots of tiny metal shards mixed in with the putty.
Cheers - Phil
Nope
Me neither. used to wash plastics but never metals.
I've only washed plastics.
Washing miniatures:
Yes, but only resin stuff or 28mm miniatures that really need a good paint job.
If I'm going to convert the 28s, using green stuff, I will wash the model first.
Hot, soapy water. Toothbrush (not electric) to gently scrub the miniature. Pat dry on a towel, once cleaned. Placed over a radiator on a piece of kitchen roll to properly dry for a number of hours.
If resin: I'll then coat the whole model in pva (white) glue to seal the surface prior to priming with paint.
Its surprising how different a metal miniature looks after washing. Brighter for a start, and at the bottom of the wash basin can be seen the oils and dirt the miniature carried from when it was cast and packaged. So it does actually make a difference, I've found. Just whether its worth it, if all you're doing is slapping on some paint, is debatable - I know I don't wash every figure.
I wash plastics and resin, but not metal figures.
Sometimes I wash figures, but I always wash resin scenic items, especially the rubbery ones from TBM.
Thanks for the tip on PVA with resin items.
I always wash all figures
I occasionally wash metal figures if they feel greasy otherwise I just slap paint on
Take care
Andy
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Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 26 January 2016, 12:37:59 AM
If washes are so important to wargamers why is it when you go to shows there seems to be quite a few wagamers that use washes but don't wash!!! :-&
The same people insist on wearing massive backpacks on both straps with no spatial awareness at all >:( >:( >:(
Back to topic, some good info here I will try out
Cheers
Ian
Although I am quite fastidious about personal hygiene I do carry a backpack everywhere, including my normal shopping trips. Ergonomically this is the best way to carry items, including small children, without putting too much strain on the body. so if you are at Vapnartak watch out.