Initially a WIP photo as some interest has been raised concerning 2mm. I decided to give this a go in 2mm as I want to play out some of the 1866 battles quite soon, and this seemed the quickest way to do it as I am currently working on SYW stuff in 10mm. Just one photo showing one base of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha allies of the Prussians:
[imghttp://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/2mm%20Langensaltza%20for%20BBB/IMG_1726_zpsnrdizhm3.jpg[/img]http://(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/2mm%20Langensaltza%20for%20BBB/IMG_1728_zpssbn54v85.jpg)
Bear in mind that these are viewed from at least 2'-3' when playing so not much detail needed - hence the penny to give an idea of scale.
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Excellent work old chap. Knowing how small these are you've done an excellent job on those flags!
Prince Albert would be proud!
I wonder if Mrs Battenberg would be equally pleased?
Wow! Great looking flags, Leman.
They look good. I've recently been in contact with that nice Mr Kay about some 2mm.
You helped me with my info for my 6mm FPW and now look what you have started!
It's easy to go off people you know. :)
:-[
Very nice :-bd
Quote from: Subedai on 24 January 2016, 04:33:40 PM
They look good. I've recently been in contact with that nice Mr Kay about some 2mm.
You helped me with my info for my 6mm FPW and now look what you have started!
It's easy to go off people you know. :)
We'll need a 2mm sub-sub-forum soon ;)
Cheers!
Meirion
Looks great!
Ditto !
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Leman on 24 January 2016, 01:33:30 PM
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Just wanted to ask which code these are, RBG12 3-rank Forlorn Hope?
From the picture they look like they
might work rotated 90
o as a warband/shield wall. What do you think?
Cheers!
Meirion
EDIT: I've assumed they're marching left to right in the pictures because of the direction of the flags and the alignment of the base! I've just realised this may not be necessarily the case... :-/ :-[
The figures are BG1 - 20 figures in two ranks with flag from the Horse and Musket range. BG39 is the same without the flag. They are supplied in groups of three, so I have used one pack per base. I also have some bases with one line inf base and two skirmish bases to represent a divisional/brigade ability to put out skirmishers. RBG codes are the Renaissance figures - I haven't actually seen RBG 12.
Quote from: Leman on 27 January 2016, 02:35:21 PM
The figures are BG1 - 20 figures in two ranks with flag from the Horse and Musket range. BG39 is the same without the flag. They are supplied in groups of three, so I have used one pack per base. I also have some bases with one line inf base and two skirmish bases to represent a divisional/brigade ability to put out skirmishers. RBG codes are the Renaissance figures - I haven't actually seen RBG 12.
Okay, cool, thanks.
So they are facing towards the short edge of the base?
Cheers,
Meirion
Still remaining within the '2mm' parameters of the thread -just. Has anybody got any pics of the Irregular Renaissance range? In particular the pike and musket blocks. I'm asking because I am wondering if it is possible to cut the muskets away from the pikes to make larger blocks of each type.
I've just got confirmation from Ian that my 2mm Renaissance stuff is on it's way.
I'm planning to use a 30-shot/ 15-pike block with a 15-pike block glued on behind as a 60 man unit of Spanish militia, a tercio as Spanish regulars and the forlorn hope as English cuthroats ... err sailors. Plus some ancient period bows for the native tribesmen used alongside the Spanish militia.
I'll post some pics when I get them.
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 27 January 2016, 03:29:07 PM
Okay, cool, thanks.
So they are facing towards the short edge of the base?
Cheers,
Meirion
Errrr... no. They are facing the camera - three (substitute battalions, companies, double companies) in line, one behind the other. The base is square. Irregular do produce generic road columns in the Horse and Musket range.
Ithoriel, I assume you are going to be fighting in Central America. Looking forward to the photos.
Quote from: Subedai on 27 January 2016, 03:35:50 PM
Still remaining within the '2mm' parameters of the thread -just. Has anybody got any pics of the Irregular Renaissance range? In particular the pike and musket blocks. I'm asking because I am wondering if it is possible to cut the muskets away from the pikes to make larger blocks of each type.
Check out http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/ (http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/) and http://steelonsand.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/2mm%20Irregular (http://steelonsand.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/2mm%20Irregular)
Tiny Tin Troops has an extensive gallery with many of the figure blocks and almost all of the terrain pieces:
http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Resources.htm (http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Resources.htm)
http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Painting/galleries.htm (http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Painting/galleries.htm)
(http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Res/2mm/2mm_blocks.htm)
http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Res/2mm/2mm_terrain_table.htm (http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Res/2mm/2mm_terrain_table.htm)
Steel on Sand not only has great pictures, but he often mentions which figures he's used for what.
Cheers!
Meirion
Quote from: Leman on 27 January 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Errrr... no. They are facing the camera - three (substitute battalions, companies, double companies) in line, one behind the other. The base is square. Irregular do produce generic road columns in the Horse and Musket range.
Sorry, my mistake!! :-[
It's the foreshortening effect of the camera combined with preconception that fooled me! Now that you mention it I can see it's a square base, but before that I would have sworn that it was a 40x30 base... :-/ #-o
Quote from: Leman on 27 January 2016, 02:35:21 PM
The figures are BG1 - 20 figures in two ranks with flag from the Horse and Musket range. BG39 is the same without the flag. They are supplied in groups of three, so I have used one pack per base. I also have some bases with one line inf base and two skirmish bases to represent a divisional/brigade ability to put out skirmishers. RBG codes are the Renaissance figures - I haven't actually seen RBG 12.
Found a couple of pictures of RBG12:
2 blocks:
(http://www.tinytintroops.co.uk/Res/2mm/2mmImages/RenMu.jpg)
Chaps on the left hand base:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/SqddCgcx8sI/AAAAAAAAAxs/UNctXPECtEU/s400/SANY0018.JPG)
I like those. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Subedai on 27 January 2016, 03:35:50 PM
Still remaining within the '2mm' parameters of the thread -just. Has anybody got any pics of the Irregular Renaissance range? In particular the pike and musket blocks. I'm asking because I am wondering if it is possible to cut the muskets away from the pikes to make larger blocks of each type.
Pics of RBG7 "45 figure 1-2 pike/shot unit (15 pike/30 shot)" on the right and RBG33 "15 figure Pike block" flanked by a pair of RBG12 "3-rank Forlorn Hope - 15 figures" and as you can see it's pretty much the same figures.
I'm adding an RBG33 to the back of RBG7 to give a 60 man (30 pike/ 30 shot) unit for my Spanish Militia. Spanish regulars will be the tercio model and RBG12 will be English sailor units, nominally armed with muskets, pistols, axes, cutlasses and boarding pikes.
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w669/ithoriel/Armada/Land%20Forces/RBG7%20RBG12%20RBG33_zpsaksgyiel.jpg)
Okay, they are... Small!
Certainly are similar figures. I won't want three ranks for 1866 though. Like a lot of Irregular stuff, it looks a bit naff in the raw but paints up really well.
This site has some good stuff
http://steelonsand.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/2mm-english-civil-war.html
Yes, a very useful site which allows a view of the figures before purchase. I particularly like the Dragoon figure with dismounted troops and horses all on the same stand. At least some of the Austrian cavalry in 1866 engaged in dismounted action.
Thanks all for the great links. I must now go away and have a think.
At last the Prussian army for Langensalza is complete. Here it is on 1" squares, followed by some closeups, including the completed Saxe-Coburg-Gotha brigade, fusilier skirmish bases, limbered artillery with accompanying wagons and caissons, and the brigade of Landwehr with their black maltese crosses. I am now working on the scenery before moving on to the Hanoverian army. Once this is done I can then move on to other 1866 scenarios.
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Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Very nice
Very effective and I like the command base on the central unit; nice touch 8)
Quote from: Leman on 22 February 2016, 09:27:38 PM
At last the Prussian army for Langensalza is complete. Here it is on 1" squares, followed by some closeups, including the completed Saxe-Coburg-Gotha brigade, fusilier skirmish bases, limbered artillery with accompanying wagons and caissons, and the brigade of Landwehr with their black maltese crosses.
My wife looked over my shoulder at your photos.
She stated that you are as bad as I am.
I corrected her: you are as bad as I aspire to be.
Very fine work.
Chris
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Now they are very nice. Just out of interest, is each infantry base the equivalent of a brigade?
Really looks good as an army - looks epic in scale. Then you read that the bases are 1" square, so the army covers a very small area. Gives a very different look to a normal wargames army.
But I assume this is still nowhere near 1:1 figure scale? There seem to be around 20-30 blokes in a strip?
Quote from: Chris Pringle on 23 February 2016, 11:58:03 AM
My wife looked over my shoulder at your photos.
She stated that you are as bad as I am.
I corrected her: you are as bad as I aspire to be.
Very fine work.
Chris
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;D ;D ;D
Subedai,
The 1" square is the standard basing for BBB (works well with anything between 20mm and 30mm - larger bases, e.g. 40mm, can be regarded as a double base). The base is simply representative of troops. An infantry unit can vary in size between 3 and 7 bases, and depending on the scale of the battle, can represent a brigade or a division. In the Langensalza scenario the infantry units represent brigades. For the Hanoverians I am going to have a base in each brigade with two infantry strips and one cavalry strip tho represent the attached dragoons or hussars. This is purely cosmetic and does not affect the base's function in the game.
Ahhh. Ta for that.
:-bd
Any thoughts on also doing Napoleon's Grande Armee? :P
Nope. Napoleonics don't float my boat.
Some scenic pieces for the 2mm battlefield:
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Connecting pieces for an S and A Scenics river - stream section by Supreme Littleness painted then topped with Vallejo water effect. Bridge, moated manor and watermill by Irregular, based and textured using smooth modelling paste.
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Stream sections by Supreme Littleness with limbered Prussian artillery.
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Irregular river bridge based to fit into S and A river.
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A road (as yet unpainted) passes through a wooded area, not shown on the BBB map but does appear on the Weigle map. Road by Supreme Littleness, woods by Irregular.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/2mm%20Langensaltza%20for%20BBB/IMG_1794_zpsoakgct5v.jpg)
The factory area south of Langensalza - poplars and buildings by Brigade Models, walls by Irregular.
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Rural settlement area represented by farm, fields and copse (by Irregular). Fields grooved into the modelling paste. Not quite finished dry brushing the base yet.
No matter what I do I can't seem to get this photo lark to work smoothly. Sorry but some pictures don't match their captions and some appear twice. My relationship with my computer is like a bad marriage -and I know cos I've had one.
Nothing that can't be figured out seeing as the pictures are really self-explanatory. That terrain has painted up really well and I like all the different layouts you have.
Quote from: Leman on 07 April 2016, 09:02:37 PM
No matter what I do I can't seem to get this photo lark to work smoothly. Sorry but some pictures don't match their captions and some appear twice. My relationship with my computer is like a bad marriage -and I know cos I've had one.
Easy enough to work out what's what!
I'm working on my own 2mm terrain at the moment so this is a useful bit of inspiration.
Good job.
Really quite excellent terrain features, Leman. I am making a command decision to leave 2mm to you lot, seems to require the touch of one building a ship in the bottle!
Actually it's the easiest stuff I've ever painted - it's impossible to be neat, so no stress.
Well, with returned mojo I am now working away at completing Langensalza town as the centrepiece of the battlefield. Once done just pretty straightforward road sections and some more poplars to do, then on with Froeschwiller and a return to 6mm. Will have to start cutting out cardboard again.
Good luck and keep the mojo high!
Cheers Peter :-bd
At last Langensaltza is ready to play. When I fight this I'll post an AAR. Until then here are a couple of shots of the unsullied battlefield:
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Superb Leman!
Very nice. I'm sure you could fit a few more troops on the table ;)
Are the buildings the brigade models ones? They look very good, must get mine painted some time soon.
Cracking work old chap 8). Looking forwad to reading the AAR.
Outstanding - really looking forward to seeing this one played out =D> =D> =D>
That looks terrific, Andy.
Cheers - Phil
Bloody awesome, Andy!
Really nice, and just shows how good 2mm is for the massed scale image.
I really should get mine shorted as well. Very good reference thread ;)
Quote from: fred. on 25 July 2016, 07:52:47 PM
Very nice. I'm sure you could fit a few more troops on the table ;)
Are the buildings the brigade models ones? They look very good, must get mine painted some time soon.
The buildings are a mix of Brigade Models and Irregular, although mostly the latter. All the poplars are Brigade Models, painted dark green and then flocked. No more troops can go on the table as this is an historical scenario and the battlefield and troop bases have been scaled to accommodate it. In his rulebook, 1870, Bruce Weigle emphasises that at this time troops were very much more spread out than in earlier wars. This game is set for playing the BBB rules.
I think it's the factories I recognise as brigade. I'll remember to look at irregular if I need any more.
As to the unit density - that's probably one of the great things about the scale, you are actually getting a much better impression of how the battlefield would have looked.
It's interesting to see that in this period units were quite spread out, but by WWI the troop density was early high again.
The battle was finally fought yesterday, but some tardy movement by the Hanoverians led to an overwhelming Prussian victory. Most of the activity took place in and around Merxleben, and although the Hanoverian columns on either flank were well placed to exploit any situation, the Prussians kept on attacking so that the Hanoverians could not cross the river. All too late the Hanoverian column on the right flank decided to march to Merxleben to lend assistance, but was slowed in its progress by remarkably fine shooting from the Prussian gunners. The Hanoverians holding the Merxleben bridge were pushed back by the Prussians, who were themselves then attacked by the Hanoverian veterans and cavalry simultaneously, but the vets were halted by Prussian infantry and artillery fire and without their support the cavalry were thrown back. However, a Prussian unit had retreated, the Hanoverians could now cross the river but they had been severely weakened and the sun was starting to set. At the end of move 7 of 8, the Prussians held all four objectives leaving the Hanoverians a very slim chance of taking one back, but this would not detract from Prussian victory and the game was concluded. During this game the 12" measuring rod divided into 3" segments was used. We also came up with the idea of using two different coloured dice in a small, transparent plastic container for movement and firing, but counting only the coloured dice in melee.
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Nice looking game
Excellent, Andy.
Cheers - Phil
We've played this scenario 3 times and each time a Prussian win :(. Very hard for the Hanoverians, but some good die rolls early on are required, if they are to have a chance of winning.
As you say Steve, you would not believe the number of 3s the Hanoverians rolled in the first five moves.
It's inspired me to get the Hanoverians on the painting sticks ready for a possible game next week whilst the missus is away! And if not, then I'll have an evening in north Italy circa 1859 :)
Tardis has been fixed then!
If it had been I'd be tempted to go back and tell the Hanoverians to get themselves across that river. Or even better, ignore anyone coming from the Prussian army and just keep pushing south to join the Bavarians.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 July 2016, 07:16:13 AM
Tardis has been fixed then!
For a given value of "fixed" where it means "collected base cloth and hills from the club to play a wargame there", yes :D
Andy - yes, strategically it was a poor choice to fight. Although would they have done much better if they'd joined up with the Bavarians, or just have prolonged the war a bit and ended up with more casualties?
I suppose it still depends if the Bavarians had had overall command, so probably no difference in the end result, but perhaps a few more scenarios for us.
Could be worse, they might have joined up and come under Austrian command :D
Surprising amount of "what-if's" in the 1866, I think. I did really like the look of the big campaign the Timecast chaps ran a couple of years back. Turned into something of a "Prussian Nightmare" scenario IIRC...
If you like the campaign, have you had a look at Trapped like a Fox. Although it also comes with tabletop rules as well (similar to the RFCM Squarebashing) it is readily adaptable to any rules mechanism for the tabletop clashes. The campaign materials, maps, counters, charts etc, are of a good quality. They are produced by Real Time Wargames.
I have a copy of "Trapped like a Fox" upstairs! It's very good, IMO. I really want to get one of my groups to play it through, using BBB for the actions it generates!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 28 July 2016, 09:22:44 AM
Could be worse, they might have joined up and come under Austrian command :D
Surprising amount of "what-if's" in the 1866, I think. I did really like the look of the big campaign the Timecast chaps ran a couple of years back. Turned into something of a "Prussian Nightmare" scenario IIRC...
It was fine where I was, it was the Crown Prince who loused it up!
Signed
HRH Fredrick-Charles
Commander, 2nd Army
Well, as long as you get your memoirs into print first that's what history will say :D
If you read the final notes on the campaign, I never published my memories, as it would not be fair to glorify the losses of the campaign or pin the blame. I retired, breed prize geraniums and donated a lot to veterans charities...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 28 July 2016, 02:02:17 PM
I have a copy of "Trapped like a Fox" upstairs! It's very good, IMO. I really want to get one of my groups to play it through, using BBB for the actions it generates!
That's exactly how I intend to play any large actions, but smaller ones I might use the rules in the book, BP or FOB2.
Nice looking game!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 July 2016, 05:05:44 PM
If you read the final notes on the campaign, I never published my memories, as it would not be fair to glorify the losses of the campaign or pin the blame. I retired, breed prize geraniums and donated a lot to veterans charities...
Isn't that the real world "Benedek Retirement Plan", where you gracefully take being utterly pilloried :D
Still, here's to a Scandawegian like, social democrat Prussia and Germanies, where the militarists get the boot early ;) Bad luck for everyone left under direct rule of the reinvigorated more chin than brain cells brigade ;)
Andy - I reckon it's a great plan :) Dunno about the smaller clashes, I'd half a mind to handwave them and concentrate on the big stuff?
Smashing work, Andy! I do like to see a battle that looks like a battle.
Quote from: Steve J on 27 July 2016, 07:11:14 PM
We've played this scenario 3 times and each time a Prussian win :(. Very hard for the Hanoverians, but some good die rolls early on are required, if they are to have a chance of winning.
I've played it only once myself, as the Hanoverians, and I won. But it was a very tight finish.
Chris
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Cheers Chris. ACW stuff is coming along well. Langensaltza going down the club this week as there are some there who would like to try it out. Hope you had a good break.