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Wider Wargaming => Non-Pendraken Stuff => Topic started by: jchaos79 on 05 December 2015, 10:34:23 AM

Title: Trojan wars
Post by: jchaos79 on 05 December 2015, 10:34:23 AM
Now a little bit of Bronze Age,

Project: Trojan Wars, Agamenon infantry
Character: Ajax

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4481_zpsdxzjrbn4.jpg)


Project: Trojan Wars, Agamenon infantry
Unit: 1st Myceanan infantry

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4479_zps11bs5zjv.jpg)


Project: Trojan Wars, Agamenon infantry
Unit: 2nd Myceanan infantry

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4478_zpstiusosbr.jpg)


Project: Trojan Wars, Agamenon infantry
Unit: 3rd Myceanan infantry

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4477_zps3annkh2y.jpg)


Project: Trojan Wars, Agamenon infantry
Unit: 4th Myceanan infantry

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4480_zpsfbqeys8p.jpg)


PROJECT COMPLETE: TROJAN WARS, AGAMENON'sS INFANTRY

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4482_zps5wq3ohvj.jpg)
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Techno on 05 December 2015, 11:13:27 AM
 8)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Ithoriel on 05 December 2015, 12:22:29 PM
Very nice, I take it those are Rapier 6mm?
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: jambo1 on 05 December 2015, 12:28:58 PM
Been thinking of doing ancient Greece et al and this is an inspiring sight!!
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Bodvoc on 05 December 2015, 12:37:00 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 05 December 2015, 01:06:17 PM
Rather wonderful
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: xccam on 05 December 2015, 02:18:52 PM
Nice stuff.

One thing, if you are interested, is that the demonym for people from Mycenae is Mycenaean, not Myceanan.
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Leman on 05 December 2015, 03:01:47 PM
Someone after FK's job?
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 05 December 2015, 04:30:30 PM
Please no, one grammar pedant is one too many.....

IanS
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: xccam on 05 December 2015, 04:51:24 PM
I do not wish to seem pedantic, although if I do it's because I have recently graduated with an MA in Ancient History so this perhaps what I am most pedantic about.

I mean to be helpful, not pedantic.
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: jchaos79 on 05 December 2015, 07:14:39 PM
Thanks for the comments,

@Ithoriel, they are 10mm, New line design

@ you are right, I should said LH IIIB/C  continental warrior  ;)  Congrat for your graduation!
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: FierceKitty on 06 December 2015, 01:02:58 AM
Quote from: xccam on 05 December 2015, 04:51:24 PM
I do not wish to seem pedantic, although if I do it's because I have recently graduated with an MA in Ancient History so this perhaps what I am most pedantic about.

I mean to be helpful, not pedantic.

Don't worry. Your efforts are appreciated by those who care to get things right.
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Ithoriel on 06 December 2015, 02:24:26 AM
Quote from: jchaos79 on 05 December 2015, 07:14:39 PM
Thanks for the comments,

@Ithoriel, they are 10mm, New line design

@ you are right, I should said LH IIIB/C  continental warrior  ;)  Congrat for your graduation!

The figures look very similar in pose to the Rapier ones, I am even more tempted to move on to the Late Bronze Age if I ever get my Sumerians finished, your Late Helladic/ Mycenaean army is an inspiration ... even if the figures are just a tad bigger than I'd be planning on.
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: jchaos79 on 06 December 2015, 06:13:11 AM
I had to say Ithoriel that I'm in love with your bronze age work. Soo good, soo fun. Congrat.

Bronze age is one of my favourites periods to wargame. My first two armies in 10mm were Egiptians and hittites. I have an assirian army waiting for painting for years and recently I bought a Trojan wars army.

I always wanted to do a campaing about the crisis of the XII century. But always had been distracted with fantasy, medieval, classical, and sci fi  :P (Lack of players and figures are also an important factor)


Anyway, talking about XII century, any idea of how to make an "european" army. Which figures do you use for an Early La Tene or Atlantic bronze cultures ?  :-\
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 December 2015, 11:57:50 AM
That's lovely stuff!

I heartily approve, esp. after playing the same in 28mm on Sunday :D
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 December 2015, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: jchaos79 on 06 December 2015, 06:13:11 AM

Anyway, talking about XII century, any idea of how to make an "european" army. Which figures do you use for an Early La Tene or Atlantic bronze cultures ?  :-\


If you are looking for opponents for the Mycenaeans it would be Early Hallstatt or proto-Illyrians rather than the La Tene culture, which is Iron Age.

The Hallstatt culture isn't one I know huge amounts about, there again I doubt many people do so the advantage of such a force is that if you fudge things, or get them entirely wrong, almost no one will know! :)

Infantry would be similar to the later classical Celts. Shields would seem to be round or oval rather than the later rounded rectangle ones, helmets are sometimes conical, the bronze swords are shorter than the later slashing iron swords. Armour would be rare and would be solid cuirasses rather than chain.

The Warrior of Hirschlanden statue suggests to me that there were some naked warriors similar to the later gaesatae.

Cavalry are likely to have been used for scouting, skirmishing and pursuing broken enemies rather than charges.

Modelling the chariots would be a problem as the Hallstatt ones seem to have been lightweight four-wheeled carts rather than what we think of as chariots.

As I say, my own knowledge of these armies is patchy at best ... xccam, time to let your "pedantry" shine thorough?
Title: Re: Trojan wars
Post by: jchaos79 on 07 December 2015, 07:34:15 PM
Nice, good point about Hallstatt, not La tene. Thanks Ithoriel.

I'm open for more feedback :)

It is not a project that I m going to do right now, but I will do it at some point between now and my dead. :)

And it is a pleasure to read more feedback