I am getting to the XXII and XXIII French Corps and the XXIII has 3 batteries of mountain artillery. Anybody know what they look like?
Mountain artillery is listed in the South Pacific Wars section (SAP 16), the Zulu Wars (ZC 7) and the North West Frontier (NW 11). Any of these guns fit? Any pictures of these models?
Also in the XXIII Corps is a battery of 8# guns. Again, any ideas/pictures?
My sources are unclear. Sorry. Suspect the ubiquitous 4lber will double up until Cameronian, Le Manchu or Mollinary tell us otherwise! 🇫🇷
Well, a quick google turned up a wikipedia entry, curiously under Muzzle loading rifle, a picture of the French M1858 4pdr rifled mountain gun.
Not sure any of the current models fit it, as it looks miuch smaller and shorter than the standard 4 pdr, and with a much narrower carriage.
Mollinary
Mountains guns in Spanish Civil War Range are nice little pieces that might do
The first picture shows mountain artillery in 1855 in Algeria,
http://www.fortsteynard.com/artillerie.htm
LM
It looks like a 6mm ACW Napoleon 12# might work.
Knew the gentleman of this forum would come up trumps!
Have an illustration from Detaille of the guns carried on the back of miles in 1846 if it would be of any help
For miles read mules. Might give you an idea as to size
Detaille image
Maybe the British 'screw gun' from the North-West Frontier range will do with a shortened barrel and slightly reworked chamber? They come as complete mule teams too!
Cheers,
Rob
I like the idea of using the 6mm ACW Napoleon.
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 28 November 2015, 02:09:12 PM
Maybe the British 'screw gun' from the North-West Frontier range will do with a shortened barrel and slightly reworked chamber? They come as complete mule teams too!
Cheers,
Rob
I've just posted some pictures of the mule teams here http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12440.msg183925.html#msg183925 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12440.msg183925.html#msg183925)
The mules look good but I want a deployed gun(s). Does the gun come that way also?
Also looking for my 6mm ACW troops to see how the Napoleon will look.
Quote from: kipt on 29 November 2015, 04:05:27 AM
The mules look good but I want a deployed gun(s). Does the gun come that way also?
Yes it does luckily! You can see pictures of the gun in the Colonial range, North West Frontier:NW9, and Zulu war:ZC7.
I have some 6mm ACW stuff too and personally I wouldn't use them. The carriage might be acceptable in overall size but is really flimsy in comparisson to the 10mm fgures, not to mention the gun barrels. The average 10mm rifle is bigger than the average 6mm gun barrel I fear...
Cheers,
Rob
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Canon_de_montagne_de_4_modele_1859_Le_Petulant.jpg)
Will this work? The world holds it's breath!
Mollinary
No, it would seem.
While waiting for the Pendraken guns I have put an unpainted 6mm gun on a stand of my French (it's an HQ stand but just to get the scale). I'll try and get a picture of that up tonight so y'all can pass judgement.
All fixed now, it was just a glitch with the _ symbols in the image address.
Is it just the rifling, or did it really fire hexagonal rounds?
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.co.uk/
Now Paul has finished the gun crews I can finish
basing up my Ww l artillery, including the 10 pdr mountain battery
i'll post some pictures once done if that any help.
Quote from: Chris Pringle on 01 December 2015, 07:41:54 PM
Is it just the rifling, or did it really fire hexagonal rounds?
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.co.uk/
It is just the rifling, they fired the standard La Hitte System studded rounds. Incidentally, in 1859, this ammuntion for all 4pdrs had notoriously bad fuses, and often failed to explode. A clear illustration of this failing can be found in modern day Montebello, where I counted at least three of these four pounder studded rounds from 1859 which had been cemented sideways by the locals into thier house walls!
Mollinary
There it is. My, it does look dinky.
Quote from: mollinary on 01 December 2015, 08:04:16 PM
It is just the rifling, they fired the standard La Hitte System studded rounds. Incidentally, in 1859, this ammuntion for all 4pdrs had notoriously bad fuses, and often failed to explode. A clear illustration of this failing can be found in modern day Montebello, where I counted at least three of these four pounder studded rounds from 1859 which had been cemented sideways by the locals into thier house walls!
Mollinary
That's interesting Mollers, I thought they were using a percussion round in 1859, then changed to 5 or 6 setting (can't remember which) air burst, then down to 2 settings for 1870 (Imperial) then changed back again in late 1870/71 (republican) to percussion. Talking of rounds in the wall, do you remember the station at Skalitz :o
Quote from: cameronian on 02 December 2015, 12:52:52 PM
Talking of rounds in the wall, do you remember the station at Skalitz :o
Or the 'Maison de la dernière cartouche' in Bazeille near Sedan!
Cheers,
Rob
Quote from: cameronian on 02 December 2015, 12:52:52 PM
That's interesting Mollers, I thought they were using a percussion round in 1859, then changed to 5 or 6 setting (can't remember which) air burst, then down to 2 settings for 1870 (Imperial) then changed back again in late 1870/71 (republican) to percussion. Talking of rounds in the wall, do you remember the station at Skalitz :o
Well, the Sainted Bruce in "1859" says, on p66, para 8 "The "4pdr" M1858 gun fired a 8.82lb (4kg) conical explosive shell, with a timed fuze that could be set for four burst points between 500 and 1200m. This fuze was less than reliable, however, resulting in the projectile often acting as a solid shot". Whatever fuze it was, timed or percussion, the point is it often didn't explode which allowed fhe citizens of
Montebello to use them as wall decorations! Yes, I do indeed recall Skalitz station!
Mollinary
Ah was it four settings, I couldn't remember. Now why do I think they used a percussion fuze in the beginning, can't remember that either. The air burst shell was supposed to explode on impact assuming it hadn't already exploded in mid flight but apparently it usually didn't, functioning as you say like an expensive round shot. Grof reckoned that 30% of the Austrian common shell fired in 1866 failed to explode too.
Just thinking, did they dig the shells out of the wall, remove the explosive and then re-insert them, or did they go to bed every night wondering ... now or when ?
Rifled mountain cannon "Canon de montagne de 4 rayé modèle 1859". Caliber: 86 mm. Length: 0.82 m. Weight: 102 kg. Ammunition: 4 kg shell. Captured in Marrakech (Morocco) in 1912.
That's the one, same barrel as the photo in my post above. Re the shells in Montebello, I don't think they necessarily hit the buildings at all. I reckon they were all stuck up there later as decoration, as they are embedded sideways! I presume this is to show off the studs and the shape of the shell.
Mollinary
Quote from: cameronian on 03 December 2015, 08:33:28 AM
Ah was it four settings, I couldn't remember. Now why do I think they used a percussion fuze in the beginning, can't remember that either. The air burst shell was supposed to explode on impact assuming it hadn't already exploded in mid flight but apparently it usually didn't, functioning as you say like an expensive round shot. Grof reckoned that 30% of the Austrian common shell fired in 1866 failed to explode too.
Just thinking, did they dig the shells out of the wall, remove the explosive and then re-insert them, or did they go to bed every night wondering ... now or when ?
Scary.
"OK [turns to wife]. Where do you want me to hang this picture ............?" *
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Only. In Italian.
I have 3 photos of a 6mm Adler Napoleon gun on one of my HQ stands. It gives a relative size to foot and horse. Since there are too big for me to attach I will send to Leon and hopefully he can attach them for me.
I think the gun fits well, but I don't have the mountain guns yet to check differences.
I need to add another post so the 3rd picture can be added. Here goes for number 3.
Thanks Leon!
Lovely job on those, K.
Cheers - Phil
I received the Zulu Wars mountain guns and the NW Frontier pack horses with guns. The NW code doesn't have separate guns but I can use the led horses. The Zulu Wars gun has a long barrel which perhaps I can cut down. Once I do I will post comparison pictures.
Figures looking very good.
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy