I thought I would start a new thread for this as the rules are written for 28mm figures and the 10mm variant simply assumes a small scale version of this using 4 infantry figures on a tiny 15mm square base, which certainly doesn't suit my style of play using 1" squares and up yo 10 infantry on a base. Any comments or ideas relating to using 10mm would be much appreciated.
I would go with your line of thinking
The more the merrier
I'm going with three 40mm x 20mm bases for my AWI/Imagi-Nation forces and using the 15mm 'variant' re: distances. I did dabble with the idea of two 40mm x 20mm bases, but it didn't look right to me. For 'proper' SYW I will go with the latter in the future.
Hullo,
I base my figs on 30 x 30 mm bases, and will go with either three or four bases (90 mm or 120 mm frontage) for Honours of War. I want loads of figs on the table :)
I will also base my arty and horse on 30 mm wide bases, and possibly make my own variant of QRS with distances based on the final unit width.
Cheers,
Aksu
Really tempted by these due to the great Batreps that have been posted.
I note its available as a Kindle Book at half the price so will go that way. Two reasons. I'm running out of bookshelf space and secondly you have to design your own QRS and Army Rosters for most other Osprey rules anyway so their doesn't seem to be any point in buying it in hard copy other than its nice to leaf through a book.
The money I save (albeit hardly a bundle) I can put towards figures......
Nosher, if you can find your way to the Honours of War website, the author has put links to downloads for QRS in all scales. I just don't know how to put such links in place.
The playsheets are on this site http://honoursofwar.com/page/downloads (http://honoursofwar.com/page/downloads)
Cheers,
Aksu
Thanks for that Aksu. Have now got myself registered on the site.
Leman
I'm going for 20mm square bases with 6 figures/base for formed infantry and 3 figures/base for jaeger, Croats etc. Cavalry 2 figures/20mm square base. Some of my foot regiments are only 4 bases strong so I may just add a cosmetic battalion gun to beef them up to 5 bases. So that would give a frontage of 100mm per battalion (30 figures). Cavalry units being 5 or 6 bases (=to 2 squadron frontage at full strength or a weak regiment at campaign strength, so 10 - 12 figures per unit). Field artillery I am basing on a 40mm square for a battery of 4/5 guns with limbers on a 20mm width/front
The best way of determining what will suit your style is by looking at what you already have and using the suggestion in the rules namely that the unit frontage for approximates to normal musket range and adjusting other distances with that in mind.
I have gone down that road Bill, so my base units have four 25mm frontage bases - giving 100mm frontage, which equates to the 15mm QRS. Played it that way last night and it gave a great game. We e even had a couple of 5 base Austrians as large units - didn't save the Austrians from the Prussian juggernaut this time though.
Leman
Saw your post about the first play through, good looking game. Time cast Buildings per chance. The beastly Prussians can be a bit of a steamroller, have you thought about trying it with reversed roles, Prussians on the defensive and Austrians in attack?
I also have some units, Prussians basically, that I was building up for Might & Reason so 50mm by 25mm which I can use as two bases per battalion and still maintain the 100mm frontage which will serve until I decide whether to re-base or not.
Greetings
I have the rules on order but flicked through a friend's after Warfare.
My 10mm French and Alied SYW are on 25mm bases (6 foot in 2 ranks; 3 horse in one rank; 3 light troops; 1 gun). And I have 4 bases per infantry and cavalry unit. I am aiming to use them this way for Honours of War.
Regards
Edward
Honours of War does not use casualty removal so as long as both armies are based similarly a frontage for a basic unit can be agreed. This is further helped by the rulebook giving a variety of frontages for different movement and ranges scales. I also base my 10mm figures on 25mm frontage bases in groups of four Prussians and four or five Austrians. This gives a standard frontage of 100mm for most of my infantry units. In Honours of War this equates to the 15mm scale QRS. All the QRSs are available as free downloads from the Honours of War website,
www.honoursofwar.com
It is my intention to represent large units as 5 bases and small units as three bases. There is a 10mm QRS option. The rulebook suggests infantry bases of 15mm square with two ranks of two figures, but I prefer my units to look a lot more meatier than that, which is why I have gone for the 15mm QRS. Incidentally, the HoW webpage and forum is well worth a look at. There are more scenarios there as well.
I feel another project coming on :-bd
this will be my first foray into the SYW
@ Leon
any chance of doing some army packs for these rules.
Quote from: old smokie on 29 November 2015, 04:51:13 PM
I feel another project coming on :-bd
this will be my first foray into the SYW
@ Leon
any chance of doing some army packs for these rules.
Old Smokie
Depending on which basing convention you opt for (40mm, 25mm, 20mm or 15mm frontage mentioned above) the army packs already available from Pendraken would give you a pretty good start for a brigade. You might want to change out the 3lbers to something heavier, add limbers and maybe a couple more packs of cavalry and some higher command. Croats, Jager, Pandours and other such ruffians could be added once you have built one of more brigades. I am sure that you already know that Pendraken are pretty good about customising their army packs when contacted.
As you can see from the foregoing posts there are at least four different basing 'styles' and which can quite happily by accommodated by Honours of War choice of which might affect the exact numbers of figures required. Personally I would find the recommended HoW 10mm convention of bases on a 15mm base a bit too compact - but maybe that is because my stuff is already on 20mm bases? One of the key concepts in HoW is the ratio of battalion/unit frontage being equivalent to musket range. Keep that in mind and game play should be unaffected.
I like to use the 3ib guns to represent battalion guns. As HoW has been designed to depict most infantry battalions with battalion guns (whether you show the battalion gun or not) I have a battalion gun on the fourth or fifth base of a battalion. This is something I would like to do for most of my battalions, so I will actually be ordering more battalion guns.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Honours%20of%20War/Combat%20of%20Saint%20Ulrich/IMG_1679_zpsx6axmm2v.jpg)
Do you think the 3 pdr would work for the FPW mountain gun?
It may look the right size but unfortunately it has a split trail and very chunky C18th wheels. I think the Zulu/NWF mountain gun is a better bet.
Quote from: kipt on 30 November 2015, 04:56:26 AM
Do you think the 3 pdr would work for the FPW mountain gun?
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There are mountain guns in Pendraken codes NW9 and ZC7, would they be the kind of thing you are after?
I just ordered both codes and will look at them along with my 6mm Napoleon (Adler gun). We will see how they stack up.
Artillery jenga? That's a new one for the Pendraken Xmas party! ;)
Some photos of the set up for the Barry Hilton scenario 1 for HOW. Scenarios are available on the Honours of War website. As the rules have been devised with the author's 28mm armies in mind, the same scenarios for 10mm figures can be done on half size tables (I use the 15mm QRS as my unit frontages are 100mm, i.e. 4x25mm frontage bases. Consequently this particular scenario is on a 3'x2' table, marked out using masking tape. This will be the first game to be played in my newly completed wargames room. As yet not much to show for the Prussians as most infantry units are one base short as I rapidly produce battalion gun bases. These are not essential in HOW, but in 10mm I think they look really good on the end of a unit. Three pictures show Austrian battalions, the third being the Croats holding the churchyard.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/10mm%20SYW/IMG_1713_zpsprvc8phj.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/10mm%20SYW/IMG_1715_zps50byyy5n.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/10mm%20SYW/IMG_1714_zpsnsjpsq1n.jpg)
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Very nice Leman, GOOD SET UP!
That's really impressive.
Super stuff, Bob !
Cheers - Phil
#1 son is basing 4x2 men, 4 bases to the battalion. This should work for both BP and HoW
Should work LH. I was previously playing Black Powder with exactly the same armies. In HOW the key is inf/cav unit frontage, which should be roughly the same as inf in line movement and normal musketry range. In 28mm unit frontage/musketry is 200mm. In my 10mm units it is 100mm. This equates to the 15mm QRS for ranges/movement etc. It also reducesl the grid squares on the scenario maps to 6". Mind you, how spectacular would this battle be in 10mm, but using the 28mm frontage and 1' grid squares.
Great looking game - everyone is putting out some great looking army photos tonight!
Meant to say 30mm bases - so 120mm lines
If he doesn't put the 3pdrs in the line, can they be used as light guns, or are they really a bn gun?
A great way to christen the new wargames room <:-P <:-P
Lovely looking game. :-bd
Very, very nice indeed 8)
Quote from: Last Hussar on 18 January 2016, 10:35:23 PM
Meant to say 30mm bases - so 120mm lines
If he doesn't put the 3pdrs in the line, can they be used as light guns, or are they really a bn gun?
I have retained some 3pdrs with 3 gun crew only to use as light gun batteries.
If not too late LH, could consider 25mm / 1 inch square bases like Leman and myself. That way if you use rules with measurements in base widths, an ordinary ruler / tape measure will do.
Great set up (as usual), Leman. And a new war-games room too! Posh! :-bd
Not a dinner party man, and I can get a dining table in the kitchen, so who needs a dining room.
Very nice setup
Take care
Andy
Very nice set up. Does your new wargames room still have to double up at times for visitors to sleep in, children to party in, wife to hang washing in etc... or is it a real, full-time wargames room?
It's the real McCoy (damn it Jim I'm a divorcee not some young married guy with yowling kids}. One bedroom houses the lad and his lady, there's mine, a spare room and a small one doubling as office and wargames library. The Wargames room houses my painting desk, storage, a 6'x4' table and a comfy leather chair so it can double as a den. I also have my Sonos speaker in there. After 18 years of full time education and then 37 years on the other side of the desk I reckon I deserve it.
I would say well deserved too and I hope to be in a similar position myself in 4 years 3 months and 1 week, not that I am counting1 :)
Here's to you Bod.
Do the Honours rules allow for figure removal or are the same as Black Powder?
Quote from: far4ngn on 07 February 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Do the Honours rules allow for figure removal or are the same as Black Powder?
"No figures or bases are removed as a result of firing or melee. Hits received are recorded with a single green mini-die (or an alternative marker of your choice) and are cumulative throughout the game"
Flint, Keith (2015-11-20). Honours of War: Wargames Rules for the Seven Years War (Osprey Wargames) (Kindle Locations 810-812). Osprey Publishing Ltd. Kindle Edition.
I prefer that to figure removal. You end up with tiny units all over the place. At Waterloo it was noted the Enniskillens took heavy casualties and still stood - 1/3rd. On a table 1/3 figure removal is 'just getting started'
I'm still old fashioned and like to see the units whittle down under fire/melee. :D
Quote from: far4ngn on 09 February 2016, 06:25:05 PM
I'm still old fashioned and like to see the units whittle down under fire/melee. :D
Firing can be quite brutal in HoW once you get above 3 hits (which are cummulative from all causes of course) the end can be quick and definitive! Whittling does not begin to describe it.