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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: Last Hussar on 09 November 2015, 06:44:56 PM

Title: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 November 2015, 06:44:56 PM
My retinues (ie anyone serving a lord, regardless of if peasent or trained man) have a mixture of clothing under the livery.

Could I justify mercenaries being more uniform- tunic and leggings all the same?
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Ithoriel on 09 November 2015, 07:51:21 PM
I'd assume it would depend on the mercenaries, mercenary captain Schwarz's Germans or Margaret of Anjou's ill-disciplined Scots would, I'd have thought, have dressed in whatever they had.

Some, like the Burgundians and French lent by their sovereign, might have been more uniform - if only to remind the recipient who they owed favours too! - but campaigning in a foreign land, how long that uniformity would last might be another matter.
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Leman on 09 November 2015, 07:51:41 PM
Probably not, although it would look very smart on the table. The most uniform item of clothing was the livery jacket. When I started my WOR armies I did every contingent in the livery of its lord. However, it would now appear that major players, such as Warwick, the various varieties of Plantagenet, Mowbray and Northumberland, often handed out livery jackets to the troops of their lesser noble followers, so a battlefield might end up with troops mainly in murrey and blue, blue and white or red jackets, but it is highly unlikely that they would wear matching hose and the like. I think this would be even less likely with mercenaries.
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 November 2015, 08:56:40 PM
Just getting bored of doing all the English in their own clothes (not often you hear a wargamer complaining of lack of uniformity!)  I wondered if a mercenary captain, because he was paying rather than levying, might do that.

I'm not doing any specific mercenary troops - too much hostage to fortune, and I want to be able to use them on both sides.  As I understand it, just because the Duke of Somewhere sent his men, doesn't mean that they would use the duke's livery-'Military Advisors' sometimes want to be discrete!

The Lion Rampant Bidowers are going to be the Perry Hand gunners.  They get the skirmish rule, and these ones will be dressed in green... Dark green
(half with a yellow cross on the front, half with a white cross)
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Orcs on 09 November 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Sunjesters your man for that query LH.  he is an expert in WOR Livery
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 November 2015, 10:02:47 PM
I'm seeing him Wednesday, hoping he'd pass through here.
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: sunjester on 11 November 2015, 12:04:29 AM
The honest answer is we don't know.

It is unlikely that a mercenary captain would have paid out for clothing for his men, beyond a basic livery jacket (if even that). I don't think even rich lords did so for campaign wear. I know on at least one occasion the Duke of Burgundy ordered cloth to provide matching clothing for all his court, but that was not for military use.

However, it's not impossible, so it's up to you. They are your mercenaries, so if you want to give them all matching hose, no one can say you are wrong for certain  ;)!
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: toxicpixie on 11 November 2015, 09:57:39 AM
Paint them all the same muddy brown linen ish? Probably accurate, if dull... undercoat, spray a tan colour, pick out faces, weapons, leather work/armour, dirty wash, and TO THE TABLE!
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Last Hussar on 11 November 2015, 09:52:53 PM
My handgunners with skirmish rules are  in dark green.  Can't be be rifle green   because no such colour  for 400 years.
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Orcs on 11 November 2015, 10:16:17 PM
Quote from: Last Hussar on 11 November 2015, 09:52:53 PM
My handgunners with skirmish rules are  in dark green.  Can't be be rifle green   because no such colour  for 400 years.

The colour probably existed, but not the name
Title: Re: Uniformity of Mercenaries in W o t Roses
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 November 2015, 12:22:18 AM
Nope, never. definitely not rifle green. Capitaine Pointu and his chosen handgunners. In Green. Just some skirmishers for Lion Rampart. Nothing else.