Hello all!
I've just started working on 10mm ever since the world of Warhammer Fantasy blew up. Since now Warhammer won't be supported anyways, I thought I might try playing another forgotten game: Warmaster. I got the rulebook and realized I should have been playing this game all the time. (And at some point I may try Warbands!)
But at the moment I really want to try to make a Warmaster Empire army, and as Warmaster models are ludicrously priced on ebay, I've gotten to work with Pendraken ones.
So I've done some work to make Empire knights and to make Steam Tank. Next will be Pistoliers, Flaggellants and Halberdiers.
Please let me know what you think! 10mm is very new to me as I'm used to 28mm. Also, I am still a newbie with green stuff, so some of the additions are a little sloppy.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Steam%20Tank_zpskf4tp9lz.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Steam%20Tank_zpskf4tp9lz.jpg.html)
Steam Tank based on a Renault FT
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Steam%20Tank%202_zpsljcot1ks.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Steam%20Tank%202_zpsljcot1ks.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Knights%202_zpsfow9nkyu.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Knights%202_zpsfow9nkyu.jpg.html)
I tried to add feathers and capes to the knights to make them a bit more fantasy like.
Hi Tiberius, welcome to Pendraken land!
I'm liking your Empire figures. Good move to go with new figures, rather than trying to put together an army off eBay - it would be expensive and slow to build a WM army using GW figures now.
The FT based steam tank is inspired, its cool.
The knights have worked too, the big plumes are reminiscent of the the GW style figures.
Which figures are you thinking of for the Flagellents?
There are a few options for Pistolliers - I'd be tempted by the League of Augsberg Cuirassiers
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/LOA31.JPG)
Welcome
Lovely start to your collection. Agree with Fred the FT for the steam tank is inspired. I might have to steal that idea
Quote from: Tiberius on 25 October 2015, 10:01:38 PM
I've just started working on 10mm ever since the world of Warhammer Fantasy blew up. Since now Warhammer won't be supported anyways, I thought I might try playing another forgotten game: Warmaster. I got the rulebook and realized I should have been playing this game all the time. (And at some point I may try Warbands!)
Welcome to the forum
I am a Warmaster player and am making sabots to use the same units for Warband.
Here are some ideas:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5OBuVvJl7OY/VfHz0ZPKI7I/AAAAAAAAFtY/Oo3AmdcC5Qg/s1600/P1020313.JPG
http://jim-duncan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/warband-barbarians-wip.html
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a75jrcod9jc/VcIv13ATByI/AAAAAAAAFls/MSPy7vOoC1Q/s1600/P1020250.JPG
http://jim-duncan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/ersatz-empire-knights.html
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SS73ILYe4Oc/VgW0S_lGySI/AAAAAAAAFvU/NVhdnz-9d8A/s1600/P1020324.JPG
http://jim-duncan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/wip-or-wnip-warband-warmaster-and-me.html
Hi Tiberius,
welcome to the forum. As a long time fan of Warmaster (I played my first game the week before it was officially launched and was instantly hooked!) always nice to see others having fun with it.
Love the figures, especially the Steam Tank - very cool!
I did a unit of Flagellants for a friend and used ELM37 Monks (1 armed) from the Pendraken European Late Medieval range.
As suggested by the description only one pose has a weapon so I added lengths of very fine jewellers chain to the others plus adding some scrolls from some cheap, thin paper that came in as an advertising flyer to make some scrolls and 3 or 4 of them got purity seals made of a tiny "v" of paper and a small dot of Milliput (left from other conversions).
Hello, welcome and great job on those!
Thanks for your welcomes and compliments!
Fred: I actually already bought some ECW Cavalry in Helmet, but I was looking closely at Augsburg Cuirassiers, and only switched at the last second. The Cuirassiers look a little more defined, but I liked the armor on the ECW ones. I will probably start painting those next.
Fenton: Thanks! I've love to see someone else's vision for it. When I ordered the model I didn't realize how small FT tanks are. I love how the model turned out, but it is just a little small. I'm thinking at some point I may try another steam tank with a MkIV and maybe pop my extra FT turret and a smoke stack on top of it.
Jim: Thanks for your post, I will be checking out your page a lot as I try to build my army! I do really like how full your knights look on a stand. I'm still working on getting that fullness with these knights.
Ithoriel: I am really excited to play some games of Warmaster (haven't actually played yet...). I just got the rulebook a few months ago, and it made me terribly sad I never discovered it sooner (and I have been playing warhammer off and on since 2002!). Overall it seems to be a much better game that WHFB ever was. When I found Pendraken and the cheap models I realized I could make several armies for half the price of one WHFB army. Having multiple armies myself it may be the only way I can get people to play with me. And in the mean time I have plenty of modeling projects to keep me busy.
Also the idea of the jewelers chain is brilliant! I just ordered some of those monks a couple days ago and was trying to figure out how I would be giving them weapons. When I made my WHFB flaggelents, I wanted them to look most like traditional monks so I am very excited for these models. Do you by chance have any pictures of those? The scrolls are brilliant as well.
Mad: Thanks!
Also I'm not entirely sure what to do for Halberdiers. I don't love the pictures I've seen of the Landsknechts, but I think I may try to add blades to the Scots Short Pikes. Thanks for your help!
Welcome on board and love the steamtank conversion 8).
Welcome from me, too ! :-h
Cheers - Phil
Welcome on board. Excellent start to a Warmaster collection.
They're cracking!
Can I second the LoA cuirassiers? I have some awaiting painting as "not-Empire" troops for Impetus Fantasy as well, help my Italian Wars stuff morph into "not-Empire/not quite any set period" fantasy armies ;)
Still have that big Warmaster dragon to paint up, so one day I may Warband them as well.
For Halberdiers, the new Jedburgh Stavemen have bladed pole weapons and light armour so would fit the stat line.
To be honest, they could be any lightly armoured infantry with hand weapons. Pikemen are a popular alternative in my experience.
I can honestly say that I've not really understood a word of this thread, but welcome Tiberius.
I did understand Renault FT. That bit I got. The rest. No.
But it's lovely work.
Quote from: fsn on 26 October 2015, 12:36:58 PM
I can honestly say that I've not really understood a word of this thread, but welcome Tiberius.
I did understand Renault FT. That bit I got. The rest. No.
But it's lovely work.
I'm thinking the same as FSN :o :-SS :-SS :-SS
Welcome Tiberius :-h
Quote from: fsn on 26 October 2015, 12:36:58 PM
I can honestly say that I've not really understood a word of this thread,
That's my default setting for everything, Nobby X_X
Cheers - Phil
Hi Tiberius, welcome to the Forum!
Quote from: Tiberius on 26 October 2015, 01:06:45 AM
When I ordered the model I didn't realize how small FT tanks are.
They are very small, I stood next to one in the Musee d'Armee and it's hard to believe people managed to get inside it.
you know what would go nice as a steam tank? The T28. Bit chunkier than a FT17.
(http://i33.tinypic.com/zl8gp.jpg)
To be fair the GW Warmaster Steam Tank isn't that big really.
However, how about the WW1 Holt's Tractor as a base?
Leave off the canvas roof, add plasticard armour plates to sides, rear and top and arm it with a gun of choice!
That or the Whippet?
Pics of the original sculpt, the actual vehicle and fred12df's competition winning model:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kSmp2v4sJyg/Uic5RewX4KI/AAAAAAAACvc/To26Qkz2_QQ/s1600/Screenshot_1.jpg)(http://www.diorama1914.com/Pagina%20definitiva/imagenes/imagenes%20de%20Galeria/maquetasShuvaev/Holt_1.jpg)(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2DsPrz9dl4A/VO5On_ZPxFI/AAAAAAAAEV0/k41BZVfnpeU/s800/IMG_6111.jpg)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 October 2015, 07:11:27 PM
That or the Whippet?
OK, I'll fall for it.
Where can I get a Warmaster sized Whippet?
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 26 October 2015, 07:39:13 PM
OK, I'll fall for it.
Where can I get a Warmaster sized Whippet?
Where else?
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BP8-p3865/
Unless you meant a mutt... :D
Char 2C. Wasn't that steam powered anyway?
Whippet Steam Tank?
(http://cdn1-www.dogtime.com/assets/uploads/gallery/cool-halloween-costumes/dog-halloween-costume-AT-AT.jpg)
Quote from: andys on 26 October 2015, 07:47:51 PM
Where else?
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BP8-p3865/
OK, bait being nibbled ...
Anyone got a pic of a Pendraken Whippet or a Char 2C for that matter with some 10mm infantry for scale.
Or perhaps even measurements, metric please, width, length, height, that sort of thing.
Hi
Or how about the traction engine with armour added:-
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8472050456_096c62907c.jpg)
The Char 2C is a monster, don't have a pic with figures but this real life one gives a good idea of scale to humans:-
(http://www.tanks.net/images/stories/char2c_heavy_tank.jpg)
Pic of the Whippet, Mark IV and Schneider which nobody else has mentioned (the vegemite is not mine):-
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tHNkgGLRcBE/UYZa4OIiqTI/AAAAAAAAAAo/WdnVoP3zaDo/s1600/tankbases-02.jpg)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Some pics of the Pendraken Whippet, sadly the one with the Whippet and FT have them almost out of shot but it gives an idea of the size difference.
I reckon adding a short funnel where the rectangle (top front) is and replace the MG bobbles with large muskets or small cannon and you have a workable steam tank.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f0H5PzEEo_c/T5RMvFcQdeI/AAAAAAAABO4/B2wY9ho4qvM/s1600/photo%2B5-735549.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8zG971ciXO0/T5RMtTSc1jI/AAAAAAAABOM/4frkWSzaVjQ/s1600/photo%2B1-728435.JPG)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 October 2015, 09:38:53 PM
Some pics of the Pendraken Whippet, sadly the one with the Whippet and FT have them almost out of shot but it gives an idea of the size difference.
I reckon adding a short funnel where the rectangle (top front) is and replace the MG bobbles with large muskets or small cannon and you have a workable steam tank.
Thanks Mike, your suggestion is noted.
I can also see an armoured car with its front wheels and mudguards removed, replaceg with a single (Reliant Robin) wheel, shaped armour plates round the side and back and an Empire gadgie waving from the turret.
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 26 October 2015, 09:29:37 PM
Or how about the traction engine with armour added:-
Thank You GOM
An idea is slowly condensing in my mind. I need to get my hands on a suitably scaled model to let my modelling fingers feel the width.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 26 October 2015, 10:05:22 PM
Thank You GOM
An idea is slowly condensing in my mind. I need to get my hands on a suitably scaled model to let my modelling fingers feel the width.
:o :o :o :o
Some very cool ideas.
The Empire steam tank is actually wheeled not tracked. But don't let that stop the imagination. The holt tractor might work well, especially as it already has a funnel.
The wippet model would be a great base, but might be a bit big for a 20x40mm WM base. I'll dig one of mine out in a bit.
I'm totally wrong about the size of the Whippet, its actually fairly small compared with the GW model. But I do think the Holt tractor might make a very good base, especially with its small front wheel.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LuHhfrhUskQ/Vi6wwj-lV2I/AAAAAAAAFBM/ItDJQkS4G-g/s1152-Ic42/001.jpg)
The canvas cover is a separate piece so can easily be left off. As is the large front radiator and the crewman.
Quote from: fred. on 26 October 2015, 11:03:55 PM
I'm totally wrong about the size of the Whippet, its actually fairly small compared with the GW model. But I do think the Holt tractor might make a very good base, especially with its small front wheel.
The canvas cover is a separate piece so can easily be left off. As is the large front radiator and the crewman.
Thanks Fred
Quote from: fred. on 26 October 2015, 10:54:32 PM
Some very cool ideas.
The Empire steam tank is actually wheeled not tracked. But don't let that stop the imagination. The holt tractor might work well, especially as it already has a funnel.
The wippet model would be a great base, but might be a bit big for a 20x40mm WM base. I'll dig one of mine out in a bit.
I think I will have a rummage through the bits box tomorrow and see if I can scratch build the d**n thing.
Welcome to the forum Tiberius
Take care
Andy
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 26 October 2015, 09:29:37 PM
The Char 2C is a monster, don't have a pic with figures but this real life one gives a good idea of scale to humans:-
That Char 2C is impressive! Does a 10mm model of it exist? Couldn't find it on the Pendraken Site.
Quote from: fred. on 26 October 2015, 11:03:55 PM
I'm totally wrong about the size of the Whippet, its actually fairly small compared with the GW model. But I do think the Holt tractor might make a very good base, especially with its small front wheel.
I'd hate to see how small my little FT compares with the GW behemoth! Thankfully it may very well never meet one in real life.
Hello Tiberius
Quote from: Tiberius on 27 October 2015, 02:08:34 AM
That Char 2C is impressive! Does a 10mm model of it exist? Couldn't find it on the Pendraken Site.
Yes, it's right there in WW2 French http://www.pendraken.co.uk/FRE11-p6281/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/FRE11-p6281/)
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/FRE11.jpg)
There's also a T35 available from another supplier, and the Vickers Independent, Type 91 Heavy Tank and Neubaufahrzeug available from Fairy Kikaku in resin.
And we have been threatened with a Ratte and Maus as well
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/11164371016_2cd75f348f.jpg)
We're actually pretty well off for large tanks in 10mm/12mm.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Quote from: Tiberius on 27 October 2015, 02:08:34 AM
I'd hate to see how small my little FT compares with the GW behemoth! Thankfully it may very well never meet one in real life.
I wouldn't worry about the size, your model absolutely captures the look and feel of the steam tank.
So as I look towards other models I will be adding to my collection, I wonder what would be the best models substitute for Empire Skirmishers. I've never seen the models in person and none of the pictures I've seen are that up close, so I don't even know what I'm looking for.
Also, my bases at the moment are just warhammer 20x20mm bases held together with green stuff. I have found some other bases online, like the litko and minibits ones, but I was wondering the thickness of genuine warmaster bases, so i can try to at least come close.
Quote from: Tiberius on 29 October 2015, 07:13:07 PM
So as I look towards other models I will be adding to my collection, I wonder what would be the best models substitute for Empire Skirmishers. I've never seen the models in person and none of the pictures I've seen are that up close, so I don't even know what I'm looking for.
Also, my bases at the moment are just warhammer 20x20mm bases held together with green stuff. I have found some other bases online, like the litko and minibits ones, but I was wondering the thickness of genuine warmaster bases, so i can try to at least come close.
Bases first, the Minibits ones aren't too far off the plastic WM ones. I use both together quite happily.
The three different Warmaster skirmisher models I have are a mix of sword and pistol, sword and buckler and (iirc) one with two-handed sword and one with two longswords. No exactly equivalent figures in the Pendraken ranges, that I'm aware of, but it's more important that they are identifiable than that they exactly mimic the GW ones IMHO. I'd use half-a-dozen arquebusiers in a skirmish line per stand, if it were me.
Closest real world units are probably the sword & buckler men used by the Spanish in the first quarter of the 1500s
Skirmishers: The GW figures have a mix of melee weapons, bucklers and pistols.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--sENB_4UyO0/UsXZhSyUrcI/AAAAAAAACMA/BddSlfl7F-I/s800-Ic42/IMG_2865.jpg)
In WM terms they are melee troops, not shooting troops. And they add more combat attacks to units of halberdiers when attached to them. I'd definitely go for fairly loose order basing, with not too many figures on a base. Sword and Buckler men would work, as might the Landschkent two handed swordsmen. I don't think there are any pistol armed infantry in the pendraken catalogue.
Bases
Yep Minibits MDF ones are great, a touch thicker than plastic bases, but a lot thinner than the 28mm slotta bases you are currently using.
If you really want plastic have a look at Renedra.
I just finished my first unit of knights.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrehtqa3b.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrehtqa3b.jpeg.html)
Here is my tiny Warmaster Army thus far!
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsq6tzmfw6.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsq6tzmfw6.jpeg.html)
Next is Pistoliers, which I'm used the ECW helmeted Calvary. I just need to make a couple more feathers for the 12 man unit, and sculpt a green stuff banner, then I will start painting. Here is the command so far.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpst42e3cyi.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpst42e3cyi.jpeg.html)
Quote from: Tiberius on 31 October 2015, 07:56:22 PM
Next is Pistoliers, which I'm used the ECW helmeted Calvary. I just need to make a couple more feathers for the 12 man unit, and sculpt a green stuff banner, then I will start painting. Here is the command so far.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpst42e3cyi.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpst42e3cyi.jpeg.html)
Your 'green stuff' feathers are so much nice than my 'milliput' ones on my 'ersatz Empire knights'.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a75jrcod9jc/VcIv13ATByI/AAAAAAAAFls/MSPy7vOoC1Q/s1600/P1020250.JPG)
Very nice work chaps! 8)
Nice work on the feathers, they look very good, and really give the Empire look to the figures.
The ECW figures work well for pistolliers - probably better than the LoA ones as they have a bit more armour.
That's crackin work with the green stuff! Really good :)
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 31 October 2015, 08:23:59 PM
Your 'green stuff' feathers are so much nice than my 'milliput' ones on my 'ersatz Empire knights'.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a75jrcod9jc/VcIv13ATByI/AAAAAAAAFls/MSPy7vOoC1Q/s1600/P1020250.JPG)
:) Your feathers do lay a little more naturally than mine. Especially on my knights some of them stand a little unnaturally.
I am thinking about adding shields to mine at some point, are the ones on those knights ones you made yourself? Or did they come with the models?
Quote from: fred. on 31 October 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Nice work on the feathers, they look very good, and really give the Empire look to the figures.
The ECW figures work well for pistolliers - probably better than the LoA ones as they have a bit more armour.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 31 October 2015, 09:44:07 PM
That's crackin work with the green stuff! Really good :)
Thanks gents! I am excited to see how they will turn out with some paint on them.
Very nice wok, Tiberius ! :)
Painting over green stuff can sometimes need an extra (thin) layer of primer 'slapped on top'...... but mainly only if you use white.
For some reason the green can sometimes show through. (Only really relevant if you're going to use a 'light' colour as the 'top layer'.
Cheers - Phil
Thanks for the tip Phil!
I am hoping to paint their horses white, so I probably will need another thin layer of primer on the whole model anyways.
Soon I will need to buy some cannons. I was hoping to get actual GW cannons, and found a good deal on eBay, but sadly they never got mailed! I was refunded but I'm still pretty sad about it.
So I'm looking for the best GW replacement cannons now. There are a lot of renaissance cannons to choose from, but I'm not sure which one would work best. Thoughts on which one matches best?
Don't know if it matches but the bombard in the Ottoman range is beautiful
Cheers
Ian
The GW ones are wheeled, Sandanista, but those Ottoman ones are very nice models.
I'd go for either the heavy guns in various Renaissance ranges (seems to be the same gun with different crew) or alternatively the 12lber in the League of Augsburg range with perhaps ECW crew? The latter would be something non-standard and would need to be worked out with Leon and Dave.
The originals looked like this:
(http://www.2md.dk/gw-warmaster/images/armies/empire/steven_uy/cannons.jpg)
The Landsknecte guns and cannoneers might well do nicely -
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11351355_1588132488103216_7473157687641526450_n.jpg?oh=3ca079e3e7ab13b35c10c5a45e79616b&oe=56C0EC4E)
Couple more on the gallery there!
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1510087222574410.1073741848.1375731686009965&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1510087222574410.1073741848.1375731686009965&type=3)
Quote from: Tiberius on 01 November 2015, 03:58:43 AM
I am thinking about adding shields to mine at some point, are the ones on those knights ones you made yourself? Or did they come with the models?
The shields are part of the original Kallistra figure.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1goskc9BntI/VcIvE82MkOI/AAAAAAAAFlc/yWdgPpRKPTU/s1600/P1020252.JPG)
The LoA guns are more in the style of the empire ones - right down to the decoration on the barrel but don't come with gunners. Leon might be willing to do a pack of Landsknecht gunners if asked nicely.
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/LOA23.JPG)
Compared to the Landsknecht guns I think the ones in the Scots/English Renaissance range look more appropriate, and again ask for a Landsknecht crew. I like the way they have thick rope attaching the barrel to the carriage.
Quote from: Leman on 02 November 2015, 11:51:13 AM
Compared to the Landsknecht guns I think the ones in the Scots/English Renaissance range look more appropriate, and again ask for a Landsknecht crew. I like the way they have thick rope attaching the barrel to the carriage.
I like that suggestion - I would probably mix in the Landskneckt crews with the English/Scots crews to give that indeterminate period Empire look.
The actual LAN guns are pretty dinky - the GW ones are huge! But the Ottoman bombards are massive, I based them on 60x40mm bases to get the gun and crew figures on, but they are super cool.
Yeah, the landsknecte guns are quite small - that's a 80mm by 40mm base with plenty of scenic bits and three plus crew fitted fine!
Thanks again for all of your help in my little project, it is quickly becoming not so little.
Just got my next order of pendraken in! It includes some Medieval Monks, Flodden French Crossbowmen, 16th Cent. Scot short pikes and a couple other rag tag items. I'll show those once I get them "Warmasterized"
But here is my first stand of ECW cavalry as Empire Pistoliers. I still need to do a little touching up, but I'm pretty happy with them.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsvalho9bt.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsvalho9bt.jpeg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyyujs2ni.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyyujs2ni.jpeg.html)
Quote from: Tiberius on 06 November 2015, 05:06:16 AM
But here is my first stand of ECW cavalry as Empire Pistoliers. I still need to do a little touching up, but I'm pretty happy with them.
I think you should be....They look really spiffy. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Very cool
Very nice!
Here is the unit of "Pistoliers." I'm surprised at how similar they ended up looking to the GW ones. They did so much more than the knights. Still some tiny touch ups to do, but I'm feeling too lazy for that right now.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsuet79dn1.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsuet79dn1.jpeg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsiijov5xj.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsiijov5xj.jpeg.html)
A couple of things I am wondering about. What is the best way to paint the faces? I just did Elf Flesh with a brown wash and then some highlights with elf flesh again. Maybe it's the sculpts, but more lightly my painting, but I just have a hard time making it look at all like a face. Some of the helmets have nose guards, and that doesn't help anything either.
Also I might replace the teal on the flag with white. The teal might look just a little too modern there.
I think the next project will be the Flagellant monks! Thanks to everyone for your comments!
All look great to me! 8)
Same here. :)
Faces look fine, to me. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Looks good!
TBH if you've undercoated black then the flesh can be down with a "T stripe" and a dab for each cheek - at least at gaming distance that'll give good looks, and if you want more then a smaller, lighter highlight across the same point will do it! Or flat paint & wash works fine, again a light drybrush can bring it up if you want (or not :D)).
Those look good to me though :) Nice grim expressions, just right for someone staring down the maw of a chaos beast!
Funnily enough I've just been reading Warmaster Ancients with a view to putting together some 10mm Condotta armies using my old Empire figures and the new Pendraken 1513 figures.
These have turned out very nicely, great conversions. I do like the new thinner bases too.
Not sure why it didn't occur to me before, advancing age and creeping senility probably, but there's a Sword & Buckler Man (EL6) in the Elizabethan range who'd be ideal as an Empire skirmisher.
Thanks all!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 09 November 2015, 04:40:40 PM
Looks good!
TBH if you've undercoated black then the flesh can be down with a "T stripe" and a dab for each cheek - at least at gaming distance that'll give good looks, and if you want more then a smaller, lighter highlight across the same point will do it! Or flat paint & wash works fine, again a light drybrush can bring it up if you want (or not :D)).
Those look good to me though :) Nice grim expressions, just right for someone staring down the maw of a chaos beast!
The "T stripe" is a good way to think about it! I will try that for my next models.
Quote from: Leman on 09 November 2015, 07:55:40 PM
Funnily enough I've just been reading Warmaster Ancients with a view to putting together some 10mm Condotta armies using my old Empire figures and the new Pendraken 1513 figures.
I need to find a way to get a hold of those rules, especially for Warmaster Medieval. Pretty spendy on amazon and eBay sadly.
Quote from: fred. on 09 November 2015, 09:05:44 PM
These have turned out very nicely, great conversions. I do like the new thinner bases too.
Thanks! Glad you noticed! :D
Quote from: Ithoriel on 10 November 2015, 12:36:16 AM
Not sure why it didn't occur to me before, advancing age and creeping senility probably, but there's a Sword & Buckler Man (EL6) in the Elizabethan range who'd be ideal as an Empire skirmisher.
I do really like that model, the one downside is it's mono pose. Not only is it a mono pose, but one that would be very difficult to do any conversions with. However that model mixed with the Warmonger Zweihanders might be enough variety for my liking.
Just did some work on my Flagellants, just one stand so far, hopefully more soon.
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The jewelry chain was good idea. Thanks for that Ithoriel!
Very nice job on those, Tiberius. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Good work there! :)
Very impressive.
The Flagellants are finished! For the most part anyways. I might try to add some ornament on the top of the small banner. I have not idea how to even attempt sculpting something that small. I need to touch up the bases a bit apparently also, but I didn't notice that til I saw it on a big screen!
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsotq02nx1.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsotq02nx1.jpeg.html)
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It is interesting how much the camera reveals :-[ ;)
:-bd =D> :-bd
Very cool work!
Very nice. Are these figures converted? If so do you have pictures of the unconverted ones?
Yup, very converted. There are only two poses. Sorry the picture is a little washed out.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszyjol0sh.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszyjol0sh.jpeg.html)
Great work.
Wow!! :o
I'm really impressed now, I thought they were good before when I thought you had just added the flames, now I am very impressed.
I think you should have a little chat with nice Mr Leon about doing some conversions for him to cast up!
8)
Very nice job !
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: fred. on 18 November 2015, 06:36:23 PM
Wow!! :o
I'm really impressed now, I thought they were good before when I thought you had just added the flames, now I am very impressed.
I think you should have a little chat with nice Mr Leon about doing some conversions for him to cast up!
Hahaha, thanks for the compliment! I promise if you could see these a little closer or in person they are not near the level of something like that. But they were a lot of fun (and a bit of frustration) to make. I'm learning more and more how to work with green stuff properly, but I still lack the patience for anything truly great. :)
Also, I've been working on my General. Here's the progress thus far. I'm hoping up the general's greatsword will turn out nicely once painted. I already put several coats of paint on it to try to help smooth it out a little. Also I'm hoping the general's laurels also turn out well, that little sucker was a pain.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsevllkwgi.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsevllkwgi.jpeg.html)
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I'm going to try to add some ornament to the top of the standard, I'm trying to figure out something simple to make that I can actually form that small.
Eagles, a square with a t for the body
Or a snail...
Quote from: paulr on 18 November 2015, 04:13:24 AM
It is interesting how much the camera reveals :-[ ;)
:-bd =D> :-bd
I was young when I posed for those photographs, and I needed the money. Oh, you're talking a bout something else....
Quote from: mad lemmey on 19 November 2015, 11:29:01 PM
Eagles, a square with a t for the body
Or a snail...
Or a duck?
I usually cheat and snip a suitable helmet crest off a figure I don't intend to use.
The helmet crest is a great idea, sadly I don't have any crests that would work well in 10mm at the moment. I will have to dig through my warhammer bits deeper and see if any fit the size.
But I am looking for some help. I'm working on my heroes at the moment, I'd really like to make a Warrior priest hero. Any ideas on a good model to use for such a character?
For a Sigmarite priest you could do worse than the guy with the two-handed hammer in ER17 - third from the left here
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/ER17.JPG)
:-bd nice army
Thanks jchaos! I'm starting to notice that a lot of the same people are on both specialist games and this forum.
Here's my completed General. The General is from the Knight and his entourage are from the French Flodden Fields command.
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The white armor was an experiment, but I really like the results. I may have to do a whole unit of knights like this in the future.
Terrific !!
Cheers - Phil
Looks really good.
Alright, I cheated. I found these cannons for a reasonable price and I got them. I was actually able to get a few blisters for about 8 bucks a pack! I couldn't pass it up. But don't worry, next I will be doing some Scots short pikes as Empire Spearman.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsb0wraza6.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsb0wraza6.jpeg.html)
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The last argument of Emperors?
Very nice, I heartily approve!
8)
Cheers - Phil
Nicely done painting there! 8)
Quote from: Tiberius on 19 November 2015, 07:43:33 PM
I'm going to try to add some ornament to the top of the standard, I'm trying to figure out something simple to make that I can actually form that small.
Have you thought about using a small plastic bead? I bought a child's necklace which gave me loads of em. Used them on my 15mm Sassanids.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sBw8ndqePUc/S17q86pvGLI/AAAAAAAAAEU/cdIA1D2Z9YE/s320/Sassanid+Levy+command+1.jpg)
That is a really good idea! I will have to look into that the next time I go to a hobby store.
Here is the next up. My Flodden Scots short pikemen appearing as Imperial Spearman.
I added some feathers, some tuffs on the spears, and of course, puffy sleeves.
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah136/clericclausen/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswfy9seo1.jpeg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/clericclausen/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswfy9seo1.jpeg.html)
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Quote from: jimduncanuk on 26 October 2015, 10:05:22 PM
An idea is slowly condensing in my mind. I need to get my hands on a suitably scaled model to let my modelling fingers feel the width.
My slowly condensing idea has evaporated due to snazzling a GW Steam Tank fom Ebay for a reasonable 12 quid.
Quote from: Tiberius on 13 December 2015, 09:31:16 PM
Here is the next up. My Flodden Scots short pikemen appearing as Imperial Spearman.
I added some feathers, some tuffs on the spears, and of course, puffy sleeves.
These look pretty good.
Those spearmen have come out rather nicely!!
You are creating a lovely unique army here.
Very nice work!
Seconded ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
They look particularly good.