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Title: Artillery in WW1 East Africa
Post by: MediumAL on 19 October 2015, 08:31:15 PM
Hi, looking for guidance on which models to use.
I have some of the 10pdr screw guns, but other guns in use were;
13pdr used by South African Field Artillery.
12pdr and 15pdr used by imperial artillery.
Heavy Batteries - 4" naval guns
Imperial Howitzers

Germans
105mm howitzer - use GP7?
105mm Field Gun - use GP33?
Batterie Vogel had a 3.7cm filed gun - would that be the gun in GP26? That is described in the catalogue as an Anti-Tank gun.
Is there anything suitable as a Konigsberg gun?
Title: Re: Artillery in WW1 East Africa
Post by: fred. on 19 October 2015, 09:34:13 PM
If you have photos of the various guns, it might help people suggest options from other ranges.

I'd be surprised if the 3.7cm AT gun is the same as the field gun.

I think for 13pdrs you can use 18pdrs, they were pretty similar.
Title: Re: Artillery in WW1 East Africa
Post by: MediumAL on 19 October 2015, 09:46:17 PM
Thanks, I'll see if I can find some pics. Problem tends to be that when you find a pic, it's often not captioned.
Title: Re: Artillery in WW1 East Africa
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 19 October 2015, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: MediumAL on 19 October 2015, 08:31:15 PM
Hi, looking for guidance on which models to use.
I have some of the 10pdr screw guns, but other guns in use were;
13pdr used by South African Field Artillery.

Agree with Fred, 13pdrs and 18pdrs indistinguishable at this scale.

Quote12pdr and 15pdr used by imperial artillery.

In the Boer War range there is the naval 12 pdr http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW8-p3823/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW8-p3823/)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/QF_12_pounder_18_cwt_East_Africa_WWI.jpg)(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l575/PendrakenMiniatures/2014%20Painting%20Competition/PPCOpenArmy2_zps86502a0d.jpg)
(masterfully painted by Ace of Spades) - middle right

The 15pdr, again from the Boer War range http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW7-p3822/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW7-p3822/)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/BL15pounderFieldGunGermanEastAfrica.jpg)(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l575/PendrakenMiniatures/2014%20Painting%20Competition/PPCOpenArmy4_zps3da5876a.jpg)
Bottom centre


QuoteHeavy Batteries - 4" naval guns

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/BL_4_inch_Mk_VII_gun_East_Africa_WWI.jpg)

Boer War has 4.7" guns available http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW9-p3824/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW9-p3824/) (bottom middle of the the first AoS army shot).

QuoteImperial Howitzers

If you're looking for the 5.4" howitzer then the there is one of the them in the Boer War range http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW9-p3824/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW9-p3824/)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/BL_5.4_inch_Howitzer_and_Crew_East_Africa_WWI.jpg)

Can't find a picture of the model, but the original looked like this

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/BL_5_inch_Howitzer_Second_Boer_War_LOC_LC-USZ62-48652.jpg/576px-BL_5_inch_Howitzer_Second_Boer_War_LOC_LC-USZ62-48652.jpg)

QuoteGermans
105mm howitzer - use GP7?

That's what I'd use.

Quote105mm Field Gun - use GP33?

Ditto

QuoteBatterie Vogel had a 3.7cm filed gun - would that be the gun in GP26? That is described in the catalogue as an Anti-Tank gun.

My guess would be the 3.7 cm Automatic Machine Gun (Pom-pom). There were some in German South West Africa.
(http://samilitaryhistory.org/vo032dha.jpg)
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW11-p3826/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW11-p3826/)

QuoteIs there anything suitable as a Konigsberg gun?

Nothing purpose built. You could try modifying the 4" naval guns, using the 40pdr/5" gun http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW35-p3850/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/BW35-p3850/) - no picture of the model I'm afraid.  Or scratchbuilding.

Picture of the original 5" gun
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/BL_5_inch_gun_Union_Buildings_Pretoria_rear_view.jpg)

Pictures of the Konigsberg gun
(http://samilitaryhistory.org/vo032dhq.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Bundesarchiv_Bild_105-DOA3100%2C_Deutsch-Ostafrika%2C_Artillerie.jpg)

Close enough?

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: Artillery in WW1 East Africa
Post by: MediumAL on 20 October 2015, 06:33:49 AM
Thanks very much, that is fantastic info. Didn't even think about the Boer range. Order going in tonight. The figures are great, plenty of inspiration there,


Al
Title: Re: Artillery in WW1 East Africa
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 20 October 2015, 09:33:25 AM
Hello Al

Quote from: MediumAL on 20 October 2015, 06:33:49 AM
Thanks very much, that is fantastic info. Didn't even think about the Boer range. Order going in tonight. The figures are great, plenty of inspiration there,


Al

No probs for the info, I enjoy doing this stuff. Don't forget to ask for WW1 era/ME crew if possible (British ME or Boer could be used for German crew), and most of the limbers looked like they were pulled by oxen rather than horses.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan