Right chaps...
For my Bathday, the old man has just sent me a 7100 Dremel and extra bits.
Any idea how to (safely) use one? What should I do first? Should I upgrade my life insurance now?
Don't ask that Lewis fellar .
Sure you are allowed to operate powered machinery ??
IanS
I was given one of the cordless types a few years ago. I find it extremely useful for chamfering the edges of thick card terrain bases and drilling small pilot holes for curtain wires hooks. It was once used for fast-filing the chain armour off of a 25mm figure. I still have to find a use for one for 10mm or smaller figures so apart from that it has stayed in the box.
Nice gift. I use a third party one. Start off with the lowest speed setting.
i had a few tanks and the hole where the turret goes was not deep enough to allow the turret just to drop in, so I drilled out a bit deeper. I have also used it for drilling into wooden bases when making scenery such as fencing. I have also used a cutting wheel / disc.
i wear glasses and if I didn't, I would probably wear safety goggles just to stop anything flying towards the eyes.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 05 October 2015, 05:23:47 PM
Any idea how to (safely) use one?
Don't ask
me ! :P (Thank you, Ian ;))
Seriously tho', Will. ;)
Probably the worst that you can do with a Dremmel is 'burr' down a figure and send a sliver of metal into your eye.
If I didn't wear both glasses and the optivisor.....
When using the metal burrs (
especially tungsten carbide ones, 'cos they EAT through the metal and send tiny metal shards everywhere)....I'd definitely use a pair of safety goggles.
That'd be my biggest recommendation.
Don't 'force' the Dremmel to do the work by pressing too hard....You're far more likely to slip and send some burr or bit into your free hand/fingers doing that. (
And muck up what you're trying to do.)
Use a relatively light touch....It's 'safer', and you'll be less likely to clog the burr with metal from the friction.....Let the Dremmel do the work,
Hope that makes sense !
(Happy Birthday ! :))
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: mad lemmey on 05 October 2015, 05:23:47 PM
Right chaps...
For my Bathday, the old man has just sent me a 7100 Dremel and extra bits.
Any idea how to (safely) use one? What should I do first? Should I upgrade my life insurance now?
Count your fingers before you start, do a job with it, count your figures again, any mismatch in results will imply you are doing it wrong.
Honestly, be 'bl**dy' careful with it.
My biggest scares have been with the cut off wheel (disk) type bits. They can shatter quite catastrophically.
Eye protection is a Very Good Idea. Anyway, I've used the dremel more with terrain projects, less so with figs or models.
Cheers,
Aksu
We've got one in the unit we use for a few things and I'd echo the 'not too much pressure' from above. I've broken loads of drill bits just by pushing on it too much and it snapping. You then get a chunk of drill bit heading off into the unknown and jagged stump heading for your hand.
Quote from: Aksu on 05 October 2015, 06:41:58 PM
My biggest scares have been with the cut off wheel (disk) type bits. They can shatter quite catastrophically.
Good point, Aksu !
The carborundum discs are very prone to shattering, especially if you're trying to grind through anything and you don't keep the disc
absolutely straight.
The
slightest sideways pressure on those and they're in bits.
Have to admit, I tend to use those discs as big, flat 'sanders', rather than cutters, nowadays. They last longer like that. ;)
Cheers - Phil
We got the click in system and a diamond edge cutter thingy , much stronger than the original discs
http://www.dremeleurope.com/gb/en/dremel®ezspeedclicdiamondcuttingwheel-354-ocs-p/
I bought meself a Dremel a few months ago and it has changed my life!
Though I do need to remember not to hold very small things that I'm drilling.
Fenton, your link led me initially to this man who obviously knows how to handle a Dremel in a wet environment.
(http://www.dremeleurope.com/media/images/errorPic.jpg)
Quote from: fsn on 06 October 2015, 07:25:42 AM
Though I do need to remember not to hold very small things that I'm drilling.
That's the problem I'd like to solve: how to keep 10mm figs steady and at the correct angle when coming into contact with a bit rotating at 10,000 RPM.
Quote from: Fenton on 06 October 2015, 06:35:50 AM
We got the click in system and a diamond edge cutter thingy , much stronger than the original discs
http://www.dremeleurope.com/gb/en/dremel®ezspeedclicdiamondcuttingwheel-354-ocs-p/
Stupid tablet. Stupid copy and paste
This should hopefully be better
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dremel-Speed-Clic-Cutting-Kit/dp/B0035PVTHA
Quote from: WeeWars on 06 October 2015, 10:31:56 AM
That's the problem I'd like to solve: how to keep 10mm figs steady and at the correct angle when coming into contact with a bit rotating at 10,000 RPM.
I'll try and get Mrs T to take a photo of how I do this. (It's just a matter of having as much control over the Dremmel AND the model as you can.)
It's basically keeping the figure as still as possible, and just moving the Dremmel in 'short bursts'.
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 06 October 2015, 11:17:20 AM
I'll try and get Mrs T to take a photo of how I do this.
Or, perhaps, an opportunity for a new YouTube Video Channel.
Quote from: WeeWars on 06 October 2015, 11:31:24 AM
Or, perhaps, an opportunity for a new YouTube Video Channel.
If Phil is involved and the injuries involved it might need to be rated 18
Wales Dremmel Massacre methinks ?? ;D
IanS
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP5656_zpsbi7elugp.jpg) (http://s1118.photobucket.com/user/technodestructorman/media/IMGP5656_zpsbi7elugp.jpg.html)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP5657_zpshs24piwh.jpg) (http://s1118.photobucket.com/user/technodestructorman/media/IMGP5657_zpshs24piwh.jpg.html)
These aren't particularly good pics.....I'll try and get some clearer ones done tomorrow.
Anyway.....Top photo...
You should hopefully be able to see that I've stuck the figure to a cork.
Much easier to hold onto a cork than a little figure.
I'm 'clamping' the cork to the cutting mat, with the thumb and index finger of my left hand...The middle finger is stopping the cork from rolling (which you won't be able to see :P).....The cork can't move anywhere unless I want it to...and it's lovely and 'still'.
Right hand, holding the Dremmel between the thumb and index finger..middle finger underneath the Dremmel...Edge of right hand third and fourth fingers resting on the cutting mat.
Like this, I've got just about total control of the Dremmel and the figure, (said he ;D) as both hands and some of my digits are resting on the cutting mat....I can use a very light touch with the Dremmel with my hands in these positions.
Second photo.
Here, there's more of an angle involved in using the drill.....The figure's not flat on the tabletop but I still need to have as much control as possible.
The edge of my hands are still in contact with the surface of the table, but to give extra 'stability' with the cork at this angle, I've got my left thumb in contact with the third and fourth fingers of my right hand. 'Locking' your hands together in this way gives you more control.
The Dremmel (and the model) are far less likely to wobble about.....Which is one of the biggest problems I imagine some of you are having.
Hope this makes some sort of sense !
I'll come back and edit it again if need be.....It's a swine not being able to use the preview button.....Still ! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Washing very very hot water,
IanS
You've got very long thumbs Phil
Those pictures made me shudder. a sharp ended, rotating metal object in close proximity to flesh.
I don't think it's even turned on
It's amazing you whittled that figure from a cork!
Also ... did you used to advertise Mild Green Fairy Liquid?
Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 October 2015, 06:18:16 PM
Washing very very hot water, IanS
Sorry Ian....I've taken the reference about shrinking things out. (That's just so folk know what your post refers to. ;))
Quote from: Fenton on 06 October 2015, 06:21:09 PM
You've got very long thumbs Phil
I think all of my digits are on the long side, Steve.....But you're right with your other post.....Mrs T took these for me while the drill was off...But this is exactly how I use it when it's whizzing round.
Quote from: Subedai on 06 October 2015, 06:24:27 PM
Those pictures made me shudder. a sharp ended, rotating metal object in close proximity to flesh.
Noooooo.....I'm in complete control ! =O
Seriously....When I'm using the Dremmel like this, I use so little pressure, the risk of slipping is absolutely minimal.
Quote from: fsn on 06 October 2015, 06:39:34 PM
It's amazing you whittled that figure from a cork!
Also ... did you used to advertise Mild Green Fairy Liquid?
OIK !....You know Leon won't let me use cork to make a model, 'cos cork flattens when Dave presses it in the mould.
....and regarding your second point, Nobby.....Well...I do all the dishes, but they've never contacted me to do the ads.
Cheers - "Bubbles"
Quote from: Techno on 06 October 2015, 07:01:27 PM
Cheers - "Bubbles"
Thought only coknees supported theee 'ammers.....
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 October 2015, 07:20:09 PM
Thought only coknees supported theee 'ammers.....
IanS
And some
Essexites,
Essexen...people from Essex and now Kent.
Quote from: Techno on 06 October 2015, 06:13:01 PM
The Dremmel (and the model) are far less likely to wobble about.....Which is one of the biggest problems I imagine some of you are having.
Those are good tips for steading everything. I was wondering how to make the miniature immobile - perhaps without needing to mix up a batch of greenstuff? Glues don't seem to be strong enough. Clamps damage the teeny figures. I haven't tried a bed of Instant Mold but that might be an idea and better than a bed of Blu-Tack.
As I've always got wodges of Green Stuff, that's why I tend to use that, Michael. ;)
Although it doesn't make the figures as secure as GS.....You might try 'Black Tak' instead of Blu Tak ?
That would work reasonably well. (Certainly better than Blu Tak, anyway).....But not as good as GS.
Cheers - Phil
Problem could be that, if we're not creating masters, we'd have to remove the GS afterwards? I was thinking of using a Dremel to attack whole units. The time the Dremel saves might be wasted preparing GS and then carefully removing it? Might be quicker to make a cushion of Instant Mold? - assuming all the figures are the same pose.
Quote from: WeeWars on 07 October 2015, 11:26:54 AM
Problem could be that, if we're not creating masters, we'd have to remove the GS afterwards? I was thinking of using a Dremel to attack whole units. The time the Dremel saves might be wasted preparing GS and then carefully removing it? Might be quicker to make a cushion of Instant Mold? - assuming all the figures are the same pose.
:-\
I've never had too much problem getting the wee men off the GS, Michael.
One of the dental tools I've got is a good 'lever' for that job.....and if any GS DOES stick to the base, it usually peels away without too many problems. (Perhaps because I've done this so often, it's become pretty easy. ;))
Not having to mix up larger batches of GS would save you a bit of time, I suppose. :-\
I don't worry about having to wait for it to cure (normally)...as I tend to make 'sticking figures to corks' a job for late on in the day, so that it cures overnight and the figures are ready 'to go' first thing the next day.
Instant mould
should work (I'm guessing).
Give that a whirl, and let me know how you get on. ;)....I may try that myself !
Cheers - Phil