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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => 20th Century => Topic started by: Sunray on 25 September 2015, 01:23:06 PM

Title: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 25 September 2015, 01:23:06 PM
In building a WW2/post war city one needs public transport -  trams are useful - often used as street barricades as the images for Warsaw 1939 and Budapest 1956 suggest.

They are too rich in price at N gauge as these are meant to be runners, so I was looking at the diecast and toy market

I found a SIKU 1615 toy model from Scale Farm - the dimensions 16mmx 2mmx 3mm - suggests compatibility with 1/150 or 10mm figures.

Has anyone on the forum seen or purchased this model ?
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: fsn on 25 September 2015, 03:31:59 PM
Amazon. From £7.44 delivered.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Siku-1615-SIKU-Tram/dp/B0002GTF5S/ref=sr_1_2?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1443195045&sr=1-2&keywords=siku+tram
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/Siku-1615-SIKU-Tram/dp/B0002GTF5S/ref=sr_1_2?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1443195045&sr=1-2&keywords=siku+tram)
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 25 September 2015, 04:36:41 PM
Thanks mate- I just ordered one, so will by next week be able to comment on compatibility with 10mm.   If its a goer, I will buy another and modify/paint it up as a burnt wreck.

N Brass Locos do a 91mm length of dummy track x 2 for ££6.50 and dummy twin tram power posts x 10 for £8.50

Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 25 September 2015, 04:42:27 PM
Anyone know any producers of Rugby players? ;)
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Techno on 25 September 2015, 06:43:17 PM
Subbuteo.....But they'd be the wrong size.  :P
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: petercooman on 25 September 2015, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Techno on 25 September 2015, 06:43:17 PM
Subbuteo.....But they'd be the wrong size.  :P
Cheers - Phil

Bloody scale creep!
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 25 September 2015, 09:31:51 PM
Hello Sunray

Oxford Diecast makes a double decker UK style tram:-

(http://www.britishmodelbuses.com/LargeImages/OxfordDiecast2/NTR001_Tram_London%20Transport_O_Final_Large.JPG)

and one of Pendraken's competitors makes a Soviet Z1 tramcar in their Scenic model range. You could threaten me with a pick and shovel but you couldn't mine this information from me  :).

Or if you're feeling industrious you could try some card models :-

http://hamapaper2.zouri.jp/thumblink2/thumb35.html#%E8%B7%AF%E9%9D%A2%E9%9B%BB%E8%BB%8A (http://hamapaper2.zouri.jp/thumblink2/thumb35.html#%E8%B7%AF%E9%9D%A2%E9%9B%BB%E8%BB%8A)

These http://home.k02.itscom.net/brc/mod_list.html (http://home.k02.itscom.net/brc/mod_list.html) look about 1/100 so reduce before printing.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 26 September 2015, 08:49:59 AM
Thanks Vic,  for this 'shaft' of light.   You are a 'mine' of information
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: fsn on 26 September 2015, 11:18:24 AM
Is it Magister Miletum?
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 26 September 2015, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: fsn on 26 September 2015, 11:18:24 AM
Is it Magister Miletum?


;D  - Oh for  pit -y's  sake .


Naw...not them - they haven't been at the coal face of figure making long enough.  

Not one of your miner league players......

On a serious note - I had a look at the offering by that other company - whilst most gratefully accepting the fact that its not 'limited availability' [sic], it looks a pretty solid chunk of metal  (cast in 2 sections ?)- ie hard to represent in a damaged condition. Lets face it, we want it for a warzone, not some twee n gauge layout.

I will hold fire and see how the SIKU measures out. - the lighter construction (windows) makes a bit of battle damage easier to replicate - when all you want is a piece of scenery/cover/obstacle on the killing ground.

Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 27 September 2015, 01:37:30 AM
Hello All

Have to be careful with all these puns lying around, a man could do himself an injury without care  :D.

I'll think you'll find that this tram is largely cast in resin, a lot of his larger stuff is cast thus. Including the Citroen bus which I wasn't able to grab before the mould died. Still I think the 7 other buses I've got now will have to do  :D.

Edit: Just had a look at that Oxford Diecast tram again and I think that the upper storey is separate. It could probably be modified without too much drama, skinned knuckles and/or punctured fingers. Here's a pic that shows general scale:-

(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/NTR001_27928_Qty1_ruler.jpg)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 27 September 2015, 06:57:00 AM
Thanks Vic, yes, you are right the tram does look like  a resin cast.   

I looked at the Oxford double decker, it would be ideal for AVBCW scenarios - they  also do a range of other UK city's trams.

But I want a" foreign " single type tram hence my  interest in SIKU.
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: John Cook on 27 September 2015, 03:44:36 PM
Does this Pithead offering do it?
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 27 September 2015, 10:58:44 PM
Hello All

Quote from: John Cook on 27 September 2015, 03:44:36 PM
Does this Pithead offering do it?

Pithead eh, who would have thought it! Still, I'm glad it wasn't me that came out to be branded as a.....HERETIC!!!

HERETIC, HERETIC!!!!!, Burn him, burn him .... after submerging him in the duck pond a few dozen times.....    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Good Lord, I've come over all TMP-ey  :D :D

(Goes away mumbling.... "Yes I know I have other brands like Pithead and Minifgs but it's only because they had them available and I really, really needed them...)

Comes back.....Ok, ok, I will relent, we can submerge him in the duck pond after burning him.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: petercooman on 27 September 2015, 11:18:46 PM
Burn?
duck?
pond?

A WITCH!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 28 September 2015, 12:37:04 AM
[quote
Does this P****** offering do it?
[/quote]

Ahhh the name that shalt  not be spoken, typed or referenced on this holy forum.   :d

Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: John Cook on 28 September 2015, 03:09:32 AM
I'm afraid you are confusing me with somebody who gives **** :)
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 02 October 2015, 11:02:02 AM
The SIKU offering arrived.  I conclude that its a "fit the blister pack" scale [sic], but at 160mm whilst over the average length for N gauge trams - it does not look out of place with 1/150 figures. Scenery is scenery - and those building street barricades can't afford to be pedantic as the T34/85s roll around the corner......   
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sean67 on 03 October 2015, 04:11:45 PM
I was at Munich Airport today dropping son off.
Went into the toy shop there they had three different trams on in a box with 1/87 scale on it and a small one in a blister, and a bigger one in the blister. The small one was priced at 3.99 euros and the larger one was 7.99.
Think I'll get a few of these for my next project.
On a side note today's a German bank holiday 25 years ago today the wall came down.
Regards
Sean
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 03 October 2015, 11:26:12 PM
Interesting find Sean.  I suspect the SIKU is 1/87.

If the smaller tram you spotted has a name, manufacture's code or product it would be useful to give us a "heads up" next time you see one.

Once we have details, the search engine can do the rest.

Thanks mate
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sean67 on 06 October 2015, 04:49:16 PM
Hi Sunray
http://www.clubsiku.co.nz/index.php?page=Catalogue
The trams are under the blister part of the catalogue 1011 is a small tram on the first page and 1165 is a larger one on the second page.
I will try and get measurements next time I'm in a shop with them.
Regards
Sean 8)
Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Sunray on 06 October 2015, 08:46:47 PM
Sean

Many thanks for taking the trouble to post this.  I see I the Siku tram 1011 advertised at £3 on toyshop websites and described as 1/120 scale. 
That's good value for a game prop, and at 8x2x3cm is Ok table size.  The cheaper the props, the more left to spend on figures.    :)

Cheers mate. :)


Title: Re: SIKU toy tram - scale ?
Post by: Wulf on 07 October 2015, 10:48:45 AM
I have the coal-related mini and, while it takes a bit of working out to get the metal bits aligned to the resin body, it's very nice.