Hi Everyone
I am a Warmaster player. I have a large Undead army (3000pts), a growing Empire army (2000pts) and am about to start a High Elf army(1-2000pts).
My figures are largely Games Workshop originals although I am padding out my armies with other manufacturers.
I am also about to be a Warband (Pendraken) player and I have a starter Undead pack and a starter Barbarian pack.
I hope to get sabots so I can use my Warmaster armies with the Warband rules and conversely my Warband armies with Warmaster. Warband bases are nominally 100 x 50 mm so sabots are an easy way to use Warmaster figures without rebasing.
I expect that some figures sizes will make that a bit awkward. For example the Warband Barbarian army has Bison Riders. They are big figures. You cannot get more than two of them onto a Warmaster 40 x 20 mm base. Therefore a Warband sabot base will only have 6(8) figures on it.
I can get all 12 bison riders onto a Warband 100 x 50 mm base if I don't use sabots.
The question is what Warmaster army would have a unit like Bison Riders in it so it is in my interest to base them Warmaster style or will I just base them Warband style.
I expect that some of my figures will only be used for Warband such as Command or Magic Users as these are quite differently portrayed in the two rulesets.
Apologies for the length of this post.
Firstly hello and welcome
Warband bases are fine with Sabots, not played warmaster, but many on the forum have and will help. 8)
Jim,
Presumably you've got the Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009 pdf?
In there the only thing close to a Bison unit, I think, is the Ogres Kingdoms Rhinox Riders unit.
Welcome
Warmaster 40x20 bases work great with sabots for Warband. You can either use 3 or 4 WM bases, I tend to use 4 for cavalry, and either 3 or 4 for infantry.
As to which WM army Pendraken Barbarians might work for - I'm not immediately sure. Kislev perhaps? But I don't think there is a direct match. So it may be better to go with basing these guys just for Warband? One of the things I like about bigger bases is that it opens up a lot more options for arranging the figures, rather than the rather tiny 40x20 WM bases.
Leon has cut me some sabot bases with 1p and 2p sized holes to allow my WM command figures to be used for Warband.
Here a few examples of WM based figures being used for Warband
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4o72M6eUo78/VTQEv1aaFyI/AAAAAAAAEiw/RrJsOOmmIE4/s1024-Ic42/IMG_0904.JPG)
3WM base unit on the far left, several 4 stand bases, with cavalry facing forwards, and infantry across, and a command stand with 2ps towards the top
Quote from: mad lemmey on 01 September 2015, 02:32:03 PM
Firstly hello and welcome
Warband bases are fine with Sabots, not played warmaster, but many on the forum have and will help. 8)
Thanks Lemmey
I'm hoping to get some trial sabots this weekend at Border reiver.
Quote from: andys on 01 September 2015, 06:54:50 PM
Jim,
Presumably you've got the Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009 pdf?
In there the only thing close to a Bison unit, I think, is the Ogres Kingdoms Rhinox Riders unit.
Thanks Andy
No I don't but I'll hunt it out now.
Quote from: fred 12df on 01 September 2015, 07:00:08 PM
As to which WM army Pendraken Barbarians might work for - I'm not immediately sure. Kislev perhaps? But I don't think there is a direct match. So it may be better to go with basing these guys just for Warband? One of the things I like about bigger bases is that it opens up a lot more options for arranging the figures, rather than the rather tiny 40x20 WM bases.
Thanks Fred
I'll see how I get on with a pseudo-Orc army and will also check out the Trial Armies PDF.
I'll keep Kislev in mind too.
I like the idea of Barbarians as Orcs 8)
But a key part of the WM Orc army is the goblins, the wolf riders giving you light cavalry, and the goblin infantry - which are a compulsory unit. Not immediately sure which figures would work for these - perhaps some of the historical Pendraken figures as they are smaller than the fantasy ones?
Welcome from me, as well, Jim.
Cheers - Phil
I'd love to see imaginative interpretations of the various armies. :D
Hi Jim, welcome to the Forum!
8)
Quote from: Leon on 01 September 2015, 09:43:24 PM
Hi Jim, welcome to the Forum!
8)
Hi Leon
Hope to get down to Gateshead this weekend.
I'll maybe succumb to the High Elves and some sabot bases.
Jim
Quote from: andys on 01 September 2015, 06:54:50 PM
Presumably you've got the Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009 pdf?
I have downloaded it this evening.
Quote from: Techno on 01 September 2015, 08:36:47 PM
Welcome from me, as well, Jim.
Cheers - Phil
Hi Phil
I am a long-time 'lurker' and a bit long-in-the-tooth too.
Keep an eye on my blog.
http://jim-duncan.blogspot.co.uk/
Jim
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 01 September 2015, 10:08:00 PM
I'll maybe succumb to the High Elves and some sabot bases.
No worries, let me know if you need any of the sabot bases as we don't carry much stock of those at the shows.
Welcome!
I'd be tempted by Warriors of Chaos for the Barbarians - Bison Riders using Chaos Knights (they're very tough!), the meatiest warriors as Chaos Warriors on foot (c'mon, would a Chaos Warrior really beat Conan?!), and lighter or less dense warriors are Marauders. If I still had the army list/rules PDF I my phone I'd have a better look but that might do off the top of my head...
Hi Jim,
nice to see another "well-kent face" on here!
I'd go with the idea of using the barbarians as proxy orcs in Warmaster.
Warriors as Orcs, Archers as Goblins, Bison Riders as Boar Riders, Catapults as Rock Lobbers, Giants (from the monster section of the Warband selection) as, well ... Giants, Berzerkers as Black Orcs, there are Ogres and Trolls in the old fantasy section or you might want to proxy them with some of the new elementals or such. Heroes and Shamans cover the personalities.
You'd be missing equivalents for Wolf Riders, Wolf Chariots and the Wyvern and Chariot mounts for characters. I'd suggest Mammoths for Wyverns but but flying mammoths might be a bit much even in fantasy games :)
That help any?
Welcome Jimdun, Canuck. Always nice to see a Canadian.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 September 2015, 02:51:39 AM
I'd suggest Mammoths for Wyverns but but flying mammoths might be a bit much even in fantasy games :)
Sounds good to me. If you can dream it, do it. :D
I flying mammoths what Orcs see when drunk or knocked on the head?!
Canadians seem to make good wargamers. We have one here who's swallowed the wargaming bait, hook, line, sinker, float, rod, reel, and angler at a single bite.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 02 September 2015, 08:04:15 AM
I flying mammoths what Orcs see when drunk or knocked on the head?!
Only acid green ones with bright blue spots
IanS
They're the best kind!
The flavour is so piquant.
Quote from: fsn on 02 September 2015, 07:23:14 AM
Welcome Jimdun, Canuck. Always nice to see a Canadian.
Sorry to disappoint anyone, I'm Scottish, through and through.
My account name is JIMDUNCANUK which is made up from Jim Duncan UK.
I also run a blog.
http://jim-duncan.blogspot.co.uk/
Jim
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 September 2015, 02:51:39 AM
nice to see another "well-kent face" on here!
I'd go with the idea of using the barbarians as proxy orcs in Warmaster.
That help any?
Hi Mike
I'll give the pseudo-Orcs a go, not sure where I'll end up, I wonder if I can get female Barbarians?
Jim
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 September 2015, 02:51:39 AM
You'd be missing equivalents for Wolf Riders, Wolf Chariots and the Wyvern and Chariot mounts for characters. I'd suggest Mammoths for Wyverns but but flying mammoths might be a bit much even in fantasy games :)
OK some mammoths then and maybe some Amazons on Camels for Wolf Riders and then maybe some Camel Chariots and then ... ... ...
Quote from: Leon on 01 September 2015, 10:12:12 PM
No worries, let me know if you need any of the sabot bases as we don't carry much stock of those at the shows.
Maybe some WAR-BS10050 and WAR-MVT1 and WAR-MVT5
Jim,
You're going to settle in fine!
My photos if my barbarians should be posted tonight too!
So...'Canada Jim' it is then? ;)
On the 'proxy' note, I see it less as proxying figures and more as being creative.
I'd hate to see Warband go all Wames Gorkshop and prescriptive about what figures can be used for what army or unit.
One of the joys for me, is the 10x5cm base allows you to let your imagination run wild with some truly weird fantasy dioramas (and Pendraken have some great options, particularly in the 'dungeon' ranges); and I hope the sense of freedom means we'll see some marvellous and eclectic armies...
Still planning to do my goblins as 'fire goblins'...should be some off the wall units representations in that. :D
Not sure with my Barbarians yet buy I may go 'African' with them.
Quote from: Luddite on 02 September 2015, 01:23:50 PM
I'd hate to see Warband go all Wames Gorkshop and prescriptive about what figures can be used for what army or unit.
I remember fondly armies like Happy Ent's "Green Kislevites" - orc figures but the Kislevite army list.
GW prescriptions didn't run very far in any of the groups I played with!
I wrote the Albion armylist because GW wouldn't :)
Now, Leon, about those Balori, or whatever they were to be called ....
Oh yeah, I like the Albion list - very nice piece of kit, thematically and on table :)
That might do well for Barbarians!
Quote from: Luddite on 02 September 2015, 01:23:50 PM
I'd hate to see Warband go all Wames Gorkshop and prescriptive about what figures can be used for what army or unit.
Not by me although I do have Undead, Empire and High Elves by GW, I also have Teutonics and Normans by Kallistra as well as Undead and Barbarians by Pendraken. I hope to have High Elves by Pendraken by this weekend.
I can see a great mixing of manufacturers from my viewpoint.
I can also see several different rulesets in use as I have Warmaster, Warmaster Ancients, Hordes & Heroes, Neil Thomas' Ancient and Medieval as well as One Hour Wargames and of course Warband.