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Title: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Steve J on 05 July 2015, 07:28:29 PM
Well, I'm not sure how to sum up my reaction to GW ditching Warhammer as we knew it for 'Age of Sigmar'. Shock probably best describes it. For more detail see below:

http://johnstoysoldiers.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/review-of-age-of-sigmar-rules-by-gw.html?showComment=1436124008100#c6370275159819375198 (http://johnstoysoldiers.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/review-of-age-of-sigmar-rules-by-gw.html?showComment=1436124008100#c6370275159819375198)

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/07/04/games-workshop-reinvents-warhammer.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/07/04/games-workshop-reinvents-warhammer.aspx)

I'm going to be stocking up on some paints this week just in case it all goes Pete Tong.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: jchaos79 on 05 July 2015, 07:57:44 PM
I do not know what to say. Never played WHFB, but played warmaster in this setting. Now the setting is gone. It does not matter too much for me. What I like is warmaster system. I could play the system in heroic fantasy, plain fantasy, GW fantasy, historic, tolkien fantasy, etc...

Ironically, now there is another force: the sigmarites, and models similar to this concept in 10mm is cover by the angles of magister millitum.

Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: petercooman on 05 July 2015, 08:26:49 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


smells like warmachine  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Matt J on 05 July 2015, 08:54:29 PM
Been following this the last couple of weeks (even bought the latest WD  :-[). I can see what GW are trying and well I don't think its all bad. The warhammer world was beautifully visualised and created over decades, I grew up with it so I m sad to see its loss but its still there as an historical setting.
The new mini's look great and I'm tempted to buy the new box set even though I haven't bought any GW for eons. However the background fluff and rules are just a bit pants. I'm no gamer but the rules seem simplistic to the extreme. Maybe it the Hail Caesar/Black powder approach, no points, no set in stone rules just have fun, but I don't think it'll work for GW (power) gamers.
Might be great to introduce my son to wargaming though.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: petercooman on 05 July 2015, 09:05:56 PM
From the orcs and goblin warscroll:

WAAAgh! horns
Models in this unit may carry Waaagh!
Horns. You can add 2 to the charge rolls of
a unit that includes any Waaagh! Horns,
but only if you bellow 'Waaagh!' when
rolling the dice



:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Nothing for me im afraid, i played warhammer for the look of rank upon rank of fantasy soldier and mighty heroes leading their regiments. If i want golden pansies flying about with white wings, i'll buy 40k blood angels, wich have a similar look.

This is how a warhammer army looks for me,it's my smallest but the only one i have a picture of that i can find:


(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/dwarfs/DSC02156.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/dwarfs/DSC02156.jpg.html)

(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/dwarfs/DSC02159.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/dwarfs/DSC02159.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Ithoriel on 05 July 2015, 11:39:53 PM
Stupidly expensive figures, dross rules and and a background "reboot" that makes no sense to me and which seems to exist only as an excuse to make more new, stupidly expensive figures.

I'm glad I do my fantasy gaming in 10mm these days!
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Techno on 06 July 2015, 05:25:29 AM
No points system ?
Did I read that correctly ?

So basically, whoever's prepared to spend the most money on an army, wins ?

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: FierceKitty on 06 July 2015, 05:46:44 AM
Sounds same as always.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: GordonY on 06 July 2015, 06:19:40 AM
I think we're witnessing the last desperate thrashing of a dying behemoth, they've finally realised that they really cant have yet another edition of that bloated monster call Borehammer so here's the result. Sorry GW, epic fail.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Nosher on 06 July 2015, 07:51:40 AM
Which all goes to prove you cant polish a turd

In five years time Warhammer will be released as the 'all new singing and dancing thing'
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Luddite on 06 July 2015, 05:34:07 PM
I think its worth noting that Mantic are really pushing hard to take those WFB players GW just kicked in the teeth.   ;D

http://manticblog.com/2015/07/06/kings-of-war-foreword-by-rick-priestly/ (http://manticblog.com/2015/07/06/kings-of-war-foreword-by-rick-priestly/)

Given that Mantic is basically run by the people who used to make GW a success, this makes me laugh.   :D
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: fred. on 06 July 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Yep. Mantic's emails over the weekend were particularly funny.

They nicely merged the American Independence day and WHFB themes
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: slimreidy1 on 06 July 2015, 07:27:42 PM
and that ladies and gentlemen is why I have already sold everything I had Warhammer/Gamesworkshop!!!
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 July 2015, 08:18:55 PM
Well, we knew it was coming... Brave new world and all that. Warhammer for me is stuck somewhere between weird skirmish-semi roleplay 1st ed, comedy 2nd and some actual big battle 3rd and, errr, whatever it was when we restarted for a year or two what's now probably ten years back!

So this is a bit odd and slightly retro but not feeling.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: petercooman on 06 July 2015, 09:30:39 PM
Well i watched a battle report for the new rules, and found it very dull.

Now idon't want it to fail, and some people will like it, i'm sure they will, but i just can't comprehend why they would do this.

As a side project (like dreadfleet etc..) i would understand it, but as a replacement for warhammer, that i don't get. If you want to play skirmish battles like that, there are enough decent rules in that category out there with wich you can still use your warhammer models anyway.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Leon026 on 07 July 2015, 06:18:34 AM
hmm, might be time to start stocking up on Citadel paints - I've always quite liked their paints, truth be told.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 July 2015, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Leon026 on 07 July 2015, 06:18:34 AM
hmm, might be time to start stocking up on Citadel paints - I've always quite liked their paints, truth be told.

See, their plan to increase sales and boost profits is working already :)
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: NTM on 07 July 2015, 12:03:48 PM
Regardless of the fortunes of GW I will continue to dust off my copy of Warhammer 1st edition for a skirmish with my 1980's figures.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 July 2015, 12:16:59 PM
I wish I knew where mine was!
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Techno on 07 July 2015, 01:34:46 PM
Mine's in the shed....Or maybe, the attic.  :-\
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 July 2015, 01:36:42 PM
I'm not likely ever to actually play it again, but the nostalgia hit alone would be nice :D
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 07 July 2015, 02:53:38 PM
Three reposts to 10000
Not good share results then...
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/22BCB871-0B3F-445B-AB67-3238C87F5B26_zpswqaekkii.png) (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/madlemmey/media/22BCB871-0B3F-445B-AB67-3238C87F5B26_zpswqaekkii.png.html)
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: andys on 07 July 2015, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: Luddite on 06 July 2015, 05:34:07 PM
I think its worth noting that Mantic are really pushing hard to take those WFB players GW just kicked in the teeth.   ;D

http://manticblog.com/2015/07/06/kings-of-war-foreword-by-rick-priestly/ (http://manticblog.com/2015/07/06/kings-of-war-foreword-by-rick-priestly/)

Given that Mantic is basically run by the people who used to make GW a success, this makes me laugh.   :D
Now all they need to do is knock up some 10mm rules, using 20x40mm bases, bash out some 10mm miniatures and call it Masters of War...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 July 2015, 09:16:39 PM
Drop that in their suggestion box!

Although I'm not a fan of KoW from reading I gather it plays well - doesn't look  my sort of thing but I'd give it a bash!
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Techno on 08 July 2015, 06:15:34 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 07 July 2015, 09:16:39 PM
Drop that in their suggestion box!

NO !!....DON'T !! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Leman on 08 July 2015, 07:22:13 AM
I am treating this with a massive bout of indifference,
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Luddite on 08 July 2015, 03:20:28 PM
Watched a game last night.

One player quite liked it. 

The other player was going purple with rage.

My view?

Well...it does rather make me want to check out Mantic's Kings of War.  I have a Dark Elf army still on the sprues that I've been looking to do something with...I was waiting for Dan Mersey's Dragons Rampant to use them though...
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Bodvoc on 08 July 2015, 04:52:01 PM
Kings of War is a great game, get those Dark Elves made and painted Luddite and give it a go. I suspect that Dragon Rampant will be very good as well.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Leman on 09 July 2015, 07:06:50 AM
Was in GW yesterday to pick up some metallic paints, and there was a massive poster advertising Warhammer - Age of Sigmar, so it looks like the name Warhammer will continue to function. Didn't notice the figures as I'm not interested in their offerings. I suspect they may have another big competitor in Frostgrave, or whatever it's called. My only desire for Fantasy is a bit GOT, i.e. 10mm condottieri armies with some da Vinci machines thrown in and a dragon.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 23 July 2015, 11:37:34 PM
Hi

Has anybody seen the YouTube video taken from 'Downfall' but with subtitles added on the reaction to the change from Fantasy Battles to Age of Sigmar?

http://miniaturewargaming.com/blog/2015/07/hitler-reacts-to-gws-age-of-sigmar/ (http://miniaturewargaming.com/blog/2015/07/hitler-reacts-to-gws-age-of-sigmar/)

Don't usually like films about Hitler or the Third Reich but I found this parody funny.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Ithoriel on 24 July 2015, 03:05:31 AM
Not quite as good, in my entirely biased opinion, as the Edinburgh Trams one but certainly good enough that I pinched the link and posted it on Facebook :)

Thank you!
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Leman on 24 July 2015, 08:13:08 AM
I actually laughed out loud.
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 July 2015, 08:19:39 AM
Yeah, that's one of better Downfall parodies, I thought. Esp. as I watched the "Hitler loses all his Battlemechs and decides to take up Warhammer" one just after :D

Also, GW have SPACEY FANTASY MARAAAAAAIIIINE -

(http://tencopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/warhammer-world-after.jpg)

Mantic have FISTY GLUE MAAAAAAAAAAN -

(http://tencopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/mantic_games_fisty_glue_man.jpg)

But in the grim steam train wars of SODOR, there is only ETERNAL TRAINS. And running them is... RAINY MAN!

Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Techno on 24 July 2015, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: Leman on 24 July 2015, 08:13:08 AM
I actually laughed out loud.

So did I !  :-[ :-[
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: Tawa on 24 July 2015, 10:51:56 AM
Oh dear lord that's hilarious!  =O

Quote from: toxicpixie on 24 July 2015, 08:19:39 AM(http://tencopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/warhammer-world-after.jpg)
Title: Re: Warhammer is Dead!
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 July 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Totes not a spacey maroon, totes.