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Title: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: fsn on 13 May 2015, 07:04:35 AM
Horrific news today that North Korean Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol was "executed" with an anti-aircraft gun.

Was I the only one who wondered what kind of gun it was?

Does that make me a bad person? 
 
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Leman on 13 May 2015, 07:54:20 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Westmarcher on 13 May 2015, 08:24:46 AM
Its quite natural to wonder. For example, even my wife asked me if it was one of these big AA guns you see in the WW2 documentaries. And she's definitely not a bad person. I'm certain you're a better person than the victim. I don't think a good guy gets to be Defence Minister in a regime like that. Most certainly, a better person than its Nero / Caligula like leader. I've not read anything in detail about this event (will we ever get any detail?) but one report said that he failed in a bid to buy arms from Russia so I suspect the AA gun was some old Cold War era weapon like a ZSU (23mm). Maybe executed by the gun he was tasked to replace? I'm sure it was a quick death anyway unlike that suffered by the many thousands murdered by that regime.

P.S. An update - this link obtained via the BBC report suggests a smaller calibre weapon.

http://www.hrnkinsider.org/2015/04/unusual-activity-at-kanggon-military.html (http://www.hrnkinsider.org/2015/04/unusual-activity-at-kanggon-military.html)
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Techno on 13 May 2015, 08:32:55 AM
I have to admit I wondered too. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Something that fires 'shells' ?.....Something that fires 'big bullets' ?
I heard that the execution was prompted by the chap falling asleep in some gathering or meeting, and had thus shown disrespect.

As 'Westie' says.....We'll never know the detail, I'm sure.

Cheers - A Bad-Person
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Fenton on 13 May 2015, 08:55:06 AM
My first thought was that the condemned man had to sit on a drone and the AA gun had to try and shoot him down. My next thought was that maybe the condemned mans family had 10 minutes to avoid the shells while piloting the drone and if they succeeded  by n avoiding being hit then  got a reprieve
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Matt J on 13 May 2015, 09:24:29 AM
apparently six ZPU-4 used at a range of 30m

(https://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/5006/medium/ZPU-4_6.jpg)

Tad over kill



Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Fenton on 13 May 2015, 09:36:15 AM
I wonder if you managed to stand right in the middle of barrels you would be safe. Probably not
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 May 2015, 10:04:32 AM
Maybe it was a 16th-century hwacha. They're pretty spectacular, and fired at a helicopter as it took off....
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Luddite on 13 May 2015, 10:06:46 AM
Actually, this seems surprisingly humane given the reports of previous NK execution methods.

After the first salvo hits, its basically an instant kill isn't it?  

Better than being eaten alive by dogs at least.

:(  
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Matt J on 13 May 2015, 10:09:58 AM
Reports say they use heavy mortars for executions as well, probably building up to execution by missile strike
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Steve J on 13 May 2015, 11:59:09 AM
I wondered too. The regime is getting increasingly bizarre in its paranoia, which scares the hell out of me.
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Womble67 on 14 May 2015, 09:06:25 AM
I tell you what we don't realise how lucky we are to live in a civilised country.

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 14 May 2015, 11:45:08 AM
After last Thursday its not are its were......
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 May 2015, 10:27:36 PM
I had the same thought "quad 50 cal or 2 pound pom-pom" - things only a wargamer could think.

Apparently other people who have been disrespectful - basically pointing out 'Bad Ideas', which is also what this general did - have been executed by mortar. Think about the accuracy there....
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 15 May 2015, 10:13:01 AM
Execution by mortar?
Are you being aimed at, or stood in front of a firing mortar?

However, my immediate thought was, erm, somewhat more ' Wyle E. Coyote'!
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Leman on 15 May 2015, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: Womble67 on 14 May 2015, 09:06:25 AM
I tell you what we don't realise how lucky we are to live in a civilised country.

Take care

Andy
It's a pity some other people living in this country don't realise it either. And while we're at it, it looks like Palmyra is going to get the Isis looney treatment now.
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: mart678 on 15 May 2015, 12:19:42 PM
We did execute people by tying them over cannon barrels :D :D :D

They should lie them on the ground and run them over from feet to head with a MBT :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 May 2015, 12:27:05 PM
Moderately painful Mart...

IanS
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Rob on 15 May 2015, 05:32:31 PM
Perhaps they should make it a dual purpose statement and use a giant circus cannon and shoot the victim into South Korea  :-\ :) :)
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Last Hussar on 15 May 2015, 06:11:39 PM
I wonder when he will promote his horse.
Title: Re: North Korea Defence Chief Hyon Yong-chol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 May 2015, 06:44:48 AM
And marry his sister ?

IanS