I hope no one minds me asking this here...
I'm looking to order a significant number of Tumbling Dice 1/4,800 Napoleonic ships and was wondering if anyone has any feedback on the company and/or the ships?
I have found a few comments in the forum on their 1/600 scale planes which look to be fairly positive :)
I've also seen a number of photos of the ships and they look to meet my needs :)
I have only ever seen him at shows, but he strikes me as a nice bloke who takes a genuine interest in his customers and is happy to chat. He is always at the Phalanx show (June) if that helps. I cannot comment on his small scales, but have seen his Langton stuff in his display case and that looks very nice.
I did buy Mig Alley off him about 8 years ago, which is a £10 game with micro type aircraft and i was happy with what I got.
Have a look on boardgamegeek for games like flying colours and serpents of the sea by gmt. I seem to recall lots of pictures where the counters were substituted by small scale ships, wich i think were tumbling dice models.
Paul is an absolute gent,
I've known him for years, he's always friendly, always full of ideas.
He's not very internet savvy but his service is great. Best to phone or email in advance!
He used to work for Asgard miniatures many many years ago!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 13 April 2015, 07:59:50 AM
Paul is an absolute gent,
I've known him for years, he's always friendly, always full of ideas.
He's not very internet savvy but his service is great. Best to phone or email in advance!
He used to work for Asgard miniatures many many years ago!
^^^^ THIS. In spades. Lovely models, great guy and (when he's not knee deep in customers) a delight to talk to.
From conversations about business practices of other companies, that I won't name, he's definitely in favour of wargame models rather than collectors pieces :) That shows in the models, instantly identifiable if you know the period but with no fiddly detail that would get snapped off or lost under a coat of paint.
I have WW1 and WW2 aircraft and a couple of Armada period fleets.
Don't know him personally, but I have bought a lot of his minis! Especially the 1/600 aircraft (some of which are better than others), but as it happens I have the 1/4800 ships on my work table as we speak. I intend to tidy them up & paint them for the Pz8 rules.
You would need a damn steady hand to paint 3 lines of gunports on the 3-decker, and cleaning up the seam down the middle of the sails will be a pig, especially with some of the smallest 3-deckers, but detail is just lovely. Despite being sold as generic 1, 2 or 3 deckers (plus small craft), there are actually lots of variation between these. There are at least 2 different 3-deckers, and quite a few different 2-deckers. Some of the 2-deckers are considerably smaller than others (which makes the masts tighter together & the sails harder to clean up...) The little ships are great too - including 3-masted Sloops only 14mm long and 12mm tall! Even the biggest of the ships is just 23x18!
Bought a very nice stan-in for the Rolf Krake from him at York. Very nice little steam monitor with masts.
I have lots of the TD 1/600 aircraft - bought online and at shows.
I've never had a problem, always very helpful - the webstore is a bit primitive but the orders get through.
Thanks all
I have exchanged a few emails with him as I want to 'tweak' the composition of the Trafalgar and Squadron packs I'm looking to order to share with Pierre the Shy ;)
He definitely seems a very helpful chap and the pictures of the models do look 'the business' :)
It is good to get confirmation that some of my limited wargaming budget will be going to another absolute gent, sorry Leon ;) ;D
Quote from: Wulf on 13 April 2015, 10:22:51 AM
Don't know him personally, but I have bought a lot of his minis! Especially the 1/600 aircraft (some of which are better than others), but as it happens I have the 1/4800 ships on my work table as we speak. I intend to tidy them up & paint them for the Pz8 rules.
You would need a damn steady hand to paint 3 lines of gunports on the 3-decker, and cleaning up the seam down the middle of the sails will be a pig, especially with some of the smallest 3-deckers, but detail is just lovely. Despite being sold as generic 1, 2 or 3 deckers (plus small craft), there are actually lots of variation between these. There are at least 2 different 3-deckers, and quite a few different 2-deckers. Some of the 2-deckers are considerably smaller than others (which makes the masts tighter together & the sails harder to clean up...) The little ships are great too - including 3-masted Sloops only 14mm long and 12mm tall! Even the biggest of the ships is just 23x18!
A step by step pictorial report on your approach and progress would be interesting and useful ;)
Or some comments on lessons learned... e.g. how are you cleaning up the seam on the sails; knife, file, ...
I'm not sure yet what approach I will take to painting these, my normal approach is to undercoat grey, paint, wash and then highlight
It's a bit late for a pictorial, I'm about finished :D
The big problem is the seam down the middle of the sails. Apart from the bigger 2-deckers, and the 3-deckers, there's barely space between the masts to get a knife blade in there, let alone a file, so that's still to do. I figure a long process with the point of a long, thin, very pointy blade...
I did use a tiny bladedscrewdriver designed for electrical/computer work to poke through down at the base of some masts - a knife point would have done the trick, but the screwdriver let me put quite a bit of pressure on it without fear of breaking, and created a flat edge. A lot of the ships have the lowest sail on mainmast & Mizzen furled, and the bulge of that sail means there's a 'hole' between masts down at the bottom, but no gap above it to get a knife or file down that far from the top.
A Dremmel..... using a tiny burr ? :-\
(Said he, not quite being able to picture what's required.)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Wulf on 13 April 2015, 10:22:51 AM
3-masted Sloops only 14mm long
Quote from: Techno on 14 April 2015, 06:34:57 AM
A Dremmel..... using a tiny burr ? :-\
(Said he, not quite being able to picture what's required.)
Cheers - Phil
3 Masts, all with sails, a fast spinning dremmel and my fingers all in a space 14mm long :-\
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/Ss70xdka-ZI/AAAAAAAAA8M/QX4PExe2A1c/s400/SANY0314.JPG)
I'm not sure if that would end well ;)
Can you fix the ships to corks with green stuff, Paul ?
Give you something easier to grip, rather than just the model itself.
But if you wouldn't be comfortable......Perhaps not a good idea. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Although I have no knowledge of the models themselves, I might hazard a guess that in such situations as described above to suggest that I have found using the smallest bur fixed in a modellers Archimede's screwdriver to be the solution. (A dremmel is somewhat too cumbursome at times and also being electrically powered can have a disasterous effect with just a moments loss of concentration.)
I'm happy with the results of gentle scraping. I await some very small bases, then I'll set about bringing myself closer to a nervous breakdown attempting to paint the gunport striping...
Quote from: Fig.ht on 14 April 2015, 10:25:38 AM
being electrically powered can have a disasterous effect with just a moments loss of concentration.
Why did I think of Techno at this point? :-\ :o :d
Quote from: Techno on 14 April 2015, 06:34:57 AM
A Dremmel..... using a tiny burr ? :-\
(Said he, not quite being able to picture what's required.)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: paulr on 14 April 2015, 09:52:41 AM
3 Masts, all with sails, a fast spinning dremmel and my fingers all in a space 14mm long :-\
I'm not sure if that would end well ;)
That's our Phil.
;D ;D ;D
Here's an attempt to show the problem. The middle ship is a typical 2-decker, with a needle file & fine blade to show scale. As you see, the file only just fits into the biggest gap between masts, and would just flatten the sail with no chance to clean up the curve or the spar. On the right, a 3-decker, much easier, on the left, a sloop, and even the knife blade barely fits in there!
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/2488289/wulf-corbett?size=medium
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic2488289_md.jpg)
Seeing those ships I think I would go for trying dental scrapers, the various angles available in the shaft of the scrapers would I think make it easier to more correctly position the point to scrape away any excess.
Quote from: Fig.ht on 14 April 2015, 01:37:42 PM
Seeing those ships I think I would go for trying dental scrapers
Or a bigger scale that I could actually see and / or paint.
small piece of buff paper would work
Quote from: getagrip on 14 April 2015, 01:40:23 PM
Or a bigger scale that I could actually see and / or paint.
Agreed! my old eyes would ave no chance of doing anything at that scale, nice looking models though.
Quote from: getagrip on 14 April 2015, 01:40:23 PM
Or a bigger scale that I could actually see and / or paint.
One of the major advantages of this scale is that you can get large numbers of ships on a reasonable size table :)
There were over 70 ships at Trafalgar
Other advantages include storage space and cost ;) :)
In the rules I've written the ground scale also matches the model scale of 1:4,800
And they are nice looking models :D
Quote from: paulr on 14 April 2015, 07:55:59 PM
One of the major advantages of this scale is that you can get large numbers of ships on a reasonable size table :)
There were over 70 ships at Trafalgar
Other advantages include storage space and cost ;) :)
In the rules I've written the ground scale also matches the model scale of 1:4,800
And they are nice looking models :D
They are superb. :)
I would also love to play this but probably never will; too much to paint already.
As for painting them, I know when I'm beat! ;)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 14 April 2015, 11:32:09 AM
Why did I think of Techno at this point? :-\ :o :d
I'm OK with a Dremmel.....It's only when I use proper size drills etc, that I might be considered (ahem) careless ! :P
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: getagrip on 14 April 2015, 08:00:04 PM
As for painting them, I know when I'm beat! ;)
Then what about rigging them! :P
Quote from: mad lemmey on 14 April 2015, 08:54:05 PM
Then what about rigging them! :P
X_X X_X X_X
Be nice...did I mention it's my birthday? :D
Rigging - at least the main ratlines - is moulded on. makes the masts nice & sturdy.
Quote from: Wulf on 14 April 2015, 09:25:26 PM
Rigging - at least the main ratlines - is moulded on. makes the masts nice & sturdy.
Paul and I talked about that point the other night.
we agreed that at 1/4800 scale rigging would not show at "normal" veiwing range so
not showing any, only national colours at mizzen and admirals flag at main to
show flagships.
"Don't give up the ship ~ we have not yet begun to fight"
Just make sure the flags point forward, not back.
I've seen so many sailing ship models get that wrong... :(
Quote from: pierre the shy on 15 April 2015, 12:31:30 AM
only national colours at mizzen and admirals flag at main to
show flagships
And those only on some of the ships, the majority will probably have no flags so they are more generic and can serve on any side
I'm planning to use my ships as British, French, Spanish, and Dutch, at least, in various combinations ;)
The number of ships that were captured and recaptured and the small scale means each ship can be used for a range of countries :)
Quote from: Wulf on 15 April 2015, 12:36:41 AM
Just make sure the flags point forward, not back.
I've seen so many sailing ship models get that wrong... :(
Drives me up the wall when I see that >:(
National flags may end up painted on the mizzen, pushed there by the wind rather than adding a seperate flag
My intention is to paint one lot with ivory sails, one with buff sails. Also, if I can manage it, one with white gunport stripes, one yellow. Bases will be marked with rating & an ID letter - like "III A" or "I B". I'll track who is who on paper. But using the Pz8 one-page rules, there's no need for more!
Quote from: Wulf on 15 April 2015, 12:36:41 AM
Just make sure the flags point forward, not back.
I've seen so many sailing ship models get that wrong... :(
It's bizarre how really good and careful modellers often get that one wrong!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 15 April 2015, 01:59:44 AM
It's bizarre how really good and careful modellers often get that one wrong!
Good point worth remembering for any square rigged ships. ;)
Will keep ships generic....first off will be Suffern in the Indian Ocean during 7 YW.
No puns please :)
No sufferin please - you asked for that one...
IanS
I'm looking forward to seeing the fleets in action.
Quote from: Wulf on 15 April 2015, 01:06:46 AM
My intention is to paint one lot with ivory sails, one with buff sails. Also, if I can manage it, one with white gunport stripes, one yellow. Bases will be marked with rating & an ID letter - like "III A" or "I B". I'll track who is who on paper. But using the Pz8 one-page rules, there's no need for more!
My current plan is to leave the bases unlabelled and to use double sided tape to attach 'temporary' labels underneath with flag, name and number of guns.
I'll be using a set of rules I have written myself and used for a number of years. Will track damage on paper. For larger battles I may include the damage records on the temporary labels to reduce paper work.
Not sure on the colour schemes as yet. I have found a couple of sites with some information but want to keep the ships fairly generic so they can be used from 1750 to 1820 and for a range of countries.
Thanks for the positive feedback, I have placed the order. 120 ships will soon be heading our way, about 60 each for 'pierre the shy' and I.
I like the idea of 1:1 figure to ground scale, good plan!
Those look tasty, and I bet you could knock them out dead quick with a "suggestive" paint scheme (stop sniggering at the back!) that hints at detail without needing to paint it in...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 April 2015, 08:45:57 AMThose look tasty, and I bet you could knock them out dead quick with a "suggestive" paint scheme (stop sniggering at the back!) that hints at detail without needing to paint it in...
I believe (haven't tried yet) that just getting those stripes along the gunports will make the ships look right. Beyond that, just getting the sails looking like sails will do...
I reckon that's what you need with "tiny scale" models - I've done some 2mm blocks from Irregular, and they look pretty decent with a very basic "schwip" of paint across them. Those boats would be the same, I think... - doubly so at "gaming distance" :)
Quote from: Wulf on 15 April 2015, 09:45:25 AM
I believe (haven't tried yet) that just getting those stripes along the gunports will make the ships look right. Beyond that, just getting the sails looking like sails will do...
Given the size of them, and the number you'll have, coupled with the distance from eye to mini on the table, I'm sure you don't need to paint
every detail.
No doubt others will disagree. :)
Got to add the running rigging.....
IanS ;)
AND the ship's cat!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 15 April 2015, 10:35:31 AM
AND the ship's cat!
Love to see the detail on that at this scale. :D
My little bases arrived, but are unfortunately just too small - the measurements looked OK, but 'in the flesh' they're too tight to get even the simple labelling I want. I'll get some Minibits bases, but I'm waiting for another Pendraken order to arrive, and I don't want to put another in just for that!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 15 April 2015, 10:35:31 AM
AND the ship's cat!
:D
It's not the cat - it's its nine tails that scare me! :-S
Quote from: Wulf on 15 April 2015, 10:43:22 AM
My little bases arrived, but are unfortunately just too small - the measurements looked OK, but 'in the flesh' they're too tight to get even the simple labelling I want. I'll get some Minibits bases, but I'm waiting for another Pendraken order to arrive, and I don't want to put another in just for that!
What size were your little bases Wulf? I don't want to make the same mistake ;)
I went for absolute minimum, 10x20mm. Which, in retrospect, made sense for the ship hulls, but not the metal bases moulded on...
I'll buy 15x30 bases this time around. I may still use the 10x20 ones for the small craft. I wanted to use 1" hexes, to get the biggest possible number on a map, but I've given up that hope!
Thanks Wulf
I'm going for 15x30 for Frigates and smaller and 20x40 for Ships of the line with names etc on 'temporary' extensions. Sounds like I will have ample room :)
Not using hexes, using 4cm to the cable and home made rulers
Quote from: paulr on 15 April 2015, 08:23:57 PMNot using hexes, using 4cm to the cable and home made rulers
Yes, if I were using anything more complex than the 1-page rules I'd go for bigger bases. I do have lots of 20x40 bases (and huge numbers of Magister Militum minis they came with...), but even the triple deckers look a bit small on there...
I've had a look and can only find 1939-41 and Coastal naval rules from Pz8. Could you point me at a link, interested to have a read.
Looks like they're only available on the Yahoo Group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pz8/
In the Files section they're in the 'Other Rules' folder, but there are changes/options which I don't see there, and I can't remember where they appeared - if you get the rules, you'll see a diagram of the field of fire of cannons - the one-hex wide bits are now 3-hex wide, so it now goes 2-3-2-3- from the ship instead of 2-1-2-1- (you'll see what I mean). Also, single deckers can now move 5 hexes, but have only 4 hits.
Well, Paul at Tumbling Dice is certainly efficient :)
I ordered the ships last night my time and got an email about 9 hours later (mid afternoon UK time) that the ships were in the post :o :o :D
Now I have to wait patiently for them to arrive :-w
Hope for a fair wind and a clam sea....
IanS ;)
;D
A chowder, I think it is.
Ships were waiting for me when I got to work today :) :) :)
Pretty quick delivery given two weekends and a public holiday :) :)
I've had a quick look at the ships and am very pleased with the genral look :D :D :D
Will have a better look tonight and start working out how I will paint them :-\
I sorted out the ships and preped 9 last night as well as cooking dinner and watching an ANZAC documentary
The ships have very little flash and only some have mould lines that need cleaning up :D
I'll prep some more tonight and make a start on painting over the weekend. Still thinking about how best to paint them :-\
CAREFULLY!
Black hull, white and yellow striping, copper line at base.
Sails linen.
Masts and deck dun (it works well as weathered teak), brown washed and highlighted dun.
Rigging is black (covered in tar).
Quote from: mad lemmey on 29 April 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Black hull, white and yellow striping, copper line at base.
Sails linen.
Masts and deck dun (it works well as weathered teak), brown washed and highlighted dun.
Rigging is black (covered in tar).
These, I knew
Quote from: mad lemmey on 29 April 2015, 10:06:40 PM
CAREFULLY
This is the bit I'm still thinking about ;) ;D
The problem I have is how to do the ratlines. Black for the actual rigging, but what to paint the main block of metal so it looks like it's not there?
Can you get the pin vice out and drill it out a little? Or is it way to small and structurally important for that...
A pin vice is an x-rated habit for masochists. A pin vise is something Techno uses to turn himself into a human net.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 April 2015, 08:39:34 AM
Quote from: Wulf on 30 April 2015, 05:41:55 AM
The problem I have is how to do the ratlines. Black for the actual rigging, but what to paint the main block of metal so it looks like it's not there?
Can you get the pin vice out and drill it out a little? Or is it way to small and structurally important for that...
At the moment my plan is darkish grey with a black wash for the rigging itself, a suggestion from Pierre the Shy
A quick grab shot of some of the prep'ed ships ready for undercoat
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/image_zpsdwuug9vs.jpg)
The delayed camels and artillery crew in the background give an indication of size.
I got them undercoated today and have made a start on the hulls :)
How Christmasy ! ;)
(I saw three ships ?.....It's alright....I know where I put my coat. :-*)
Cheers - Phil
Was it the dogs or FSN who et your coat Phil
IanS
Quote from: Techno on 01 May 2015, 06:16:49 AM
How Christmasy ! ;)
(I saw three ships ?.....It's alright....I know where I put my coat. :-*)
Cheers - Phil
Too many wise men :-\ ;)
Making good progress on the ships, still not sure about painting the masts and rigging :-\
Quote from: paulr on 01 May 2015, 04:42:48 AM
A quick grab shot of some of the prep'ed ships ready for undercoat
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/image_zpsdwuug9vs.jpg)
The delayed camels and artillery crew in the background give an indication of size.
I got them undercoated today and have made a start on the hulls :)
Ships of the desert?
Quote from: paulr on 01 May 2015, 08:10:33 PM
Making good progress on the ships, still not sure about painting the masts and rigging :-\
That's another day gone by. Over the hump, yet? :-\
Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 May 2015, 06:57:56 AM
Was it the dogs or FSN who et your coat Phil
IanS
Must have been Nobby. ;)
The 'puppy' is only into tearing kitchen sponges into stamp sized fragments, at the moment. (Still can't figure out how he's reaching them !...But he does ! ~X( ~X( ~X()
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Westmarcher on 02 May 2015, 01:07:36 PM
That's another day gone by. Over the hump, yet? :-\
I've just finished painting the first batch :)
Wash and then basing and they are done
They were surprisingly easy to paint, there was just enough room between the sails for a 000 brush ;)
Once they are based up I'll take some pictures and see what people think of them. I think they'll look pretty good at gaming distance :-\
Quote from: Techno on 02 May 2015, 01:58:58 PM
Must have been Nobby. ;)
The 'puppy' is only into tearing kitchen sponges into stamp sized fragments, at the moment. (Still can't figure out how he's reaching them !...But he does ! ~X( ~X( ~X()
Cheers - Phil
It's definitely the dog chewing your coat.
*spits out sponge fragments*
Anzacs having fun down at the boating lake?
Bases painted up, sheet styrene for play aids cut out and sanded, ships washed last night, and play aid sheets washed this morning :)
Very pleased with progress, will glue the labels on the various play aids tonight (rulers, turning circles, arcs of fire, etc)
Will get some magnetic vinyl for under the bases tomorrow
Made some progress with the play aids last night, cutting and gluing taking longer than expected :(
Finished the play aids last night
Will paint the moulded ship bases tonight and hopefully get the magnetic vinyl on Friday so I can base the ships over the weekend
Got the magnetic vinyl yesterday and glued to the bases last night :)
Based ships up this morning :)
Will paint a few white caps on the waves once dry then varnish and they are done
Looking at the forecast it will be a while till they get varnished, gales and rain for the next 10 days :(
I'm pleased with the overall look of the ship bases :)
Unfortunately the mix of filler, paint and PVA I used shrunk more than anticipated leaving the moulded on bases still showing slightly :(
Tomorrow I'm going to try applying a second coat of the mixture to see if I can build it up enough to fully conceal the base :-SS
The integral bases are pretty thick to hide. I got my MDF bases in this morning and I was just considering how to do this myself.
Can you scrape/sand/cut a depression in the base? Otherwise i guess getting enough filler/sand/PVA around them is the only recourse?
Quote from: toxicpixie on 09 May 2015, 10:34:08 AM
Can you scrape/sand/cut a depression in the base? Otherwise i guess getting enough filler/sand/PVA around them is the only recourse?
I use styrene sheet for bases so this wasn't an option for me. I had enough filler, it just shrunk #-o
I've just been considering exactly that. But I've never done any such thing before, and the bases aren't so much bigger than the minis, so would be a bit delicate. round the edges drilling the hole. I may try it with one though.
Could you use double thickness styrene with the top one having a base sized cut out? Too late now, I know :)
I am a Dremmelling Demon :D
Well, technically, it's a Minicraft drill, not a Dremmel, but still...
5 minutes with a spherical router head, and the base held in a pair of pliers (and wearing a mask, remember, MDF dust is bad, children)and I have a hollowed out base the ship base almost entirely fits into. I didn't, as I was sure I would, go right through the base (not that that would have been a great problem), but it was actually easy. The bottom of the hole is uneven, and the ship leans over a bit, but... they do, don't they? It doesn't sit at waterline, but I have a more cylindrical, tapered router I'll have a go with later.
Meanwhile, my interest in MDF bases is reawoken... I'd always preferred plastic, as they were smoother & took paint better, but this makes me realise I can not only base on top of MDF, but into it... :>
I love it when a plan comes together!
Well done Wulf ;)
Toxic, I use 2mm styrene so a second layer would have been too much
I applied the second coat of filler this morning and was pleasantly surprised how easily it went :)
It has almost dried and the moulded bases have disappeared :D
Huzzah :)
Yeah, 4mm deep bases would drown anything...
Stop talking about it and show us something!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 10 May 2015, 07:45:38 AM
Stop talking about it and show us something!
Sorry FK, they are finished :) I even managed to get them varnished just before the sun disappeared behind the hills at about 4:30pm #:-S
They will be used in anger next Saturday night :)
I will try and take some pictures next weekend when I have some decent daylight, at the moment I leave for work in the dark and get home again after dark :(
I will try for some action shots as well ;)
Hmm haven't seen Paul's ships yet but I'm sure they'll be very good.....though he did say last night that painting in stern windows even on 1st rates was a bit too challenging even for him :o
I'm not starting my stuff till I get back from my UK trip....but don't hold your collective breaths to see my very average painting later in the year.
I have other things to do this week. My good friend who I started gaming with in high school in the mid 70's passed on a few days ago...he had a good liife but will be missed in the local gaming scene. I've been asked to speak at his funeral on Thursday next about his gaming activities which I'm greatful for. He was a teacher for twenty odd years so lots of people are expected (venue holds up to 300) so I'll have to use my quarterdeck voice..... :(
On the up side been contacted by several gamers that I have not seen for a while for various reasons who are coming to the funeral....be good to see them all agian if only briefly <:-P
Anyway sorry for hijacking the thread...we are playing our first game with the ships that are ready next Saturday - the Action off Cape Henry during the AWI/American Revolution, depending where you come from ;)
He will indeed be missed :(
My camera's Macro function continues to annoy me, but here's an attempt to show my first - and so far only - attempt. I'm holding it in place to show how close it is to waterline, as it's not glued in yet.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic2519031_md.jpg)
Tumbling Dice 1:2400 Armada period Spanish on Pendraken 30mm Hex bases.
There's a starter pack of English ships too.
Picked up both ships and bases at "Carronade."
I blame you Paul for luring me back into naval games. :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 10 May 2015, 10:06:57 PM
Tumbling Dice 1:2400 Armada period Spanish on Pendraken 30mm Hex bases.
There's a starter pack of English ships too.
Picked up both ships and bases at "Carronade."
I blame you Paul for luring me back into naval games. :)
Your very welcome ;)
I now know another Paul that will be pleased ;D
This thread IS where it's been all the time....Isn't it ?
I had finger problems late last night, and pressed 'a button' that I didn't mean to...... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
(I don't think I've moved it !)
Cheers - Mr Clumsy X_X
It's totally disappeared - cant see it any more at all :d :d :d
IanS
Quote from: Ithoriel on 10 May 2015, 10:06:57 PM
Tumbling Dice 1:2400 Armada period Spanish on Pendraken 30mm Hex bases.
There's a starter pack of English ships too.
Picked up both ships and bases at "Carronade."
I blame you Paul for luring me back into naval games. :)
Interesting basing, Ithoriel. What rules are you using?
Quote from: Hertsblue on 11 May 2015, 08:56:28 AM
Interesting basing, Ithoriel. What rules are you using?
I've been puddling about with a set of my own devising that I call "La Flota."
Gunfire reduces one or more of boarding factor (soldiers), movement (rigging & sails), manoeuvrability (crew), firepower (guns & gunners). Ships are very rarely sunk, normally only small ships fired on by large ones at close range.
Spanish ships are slow and clumsy and fire infrequently and with shorter range but are harder to damage and have bigger boarding and firing factors. The English need to use speed and manoeuvrability to pick apart Spanish ships from a distance before boarding, the Spanish need to time their less frequent fire to allow them to board before being picked apart!
The hex grid makes movement simpler. Speed is standard with the wind directly behind, slightly faster with the wind on the quarters, slightly slower with the wind for'ard of the beam and not possible with the wind dead ahead, unless under oars.
Still very much an alpha version of the rules! Hopefully, having some models to play with will concentrate the mind.
Let me see 'em when they've been play tested a bit? I have a Thai buddy who's keen on Napoleonic naval.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 May 2015, 01:35:29 PM
I've been puddling about with a set of my own devising that I call "La Flota."
Gunfire reduces one or more of boarding factor (soldiers), movement (rigging & sails), manoeuvrability (crew), firepower (guns & gunners). Ships are very rarely sunk, normally only small ships fired on by large ones at close range.
Spanish ships are slow and clumsy and fire infrequently and with shorter range but are harder to damage and have bigger boarding and firing factors. The English need to use speed and manoeuvrability to pick apart Spanish ships from a distance before boarding, the Spanish need to time their less frequent fire to allow them to board before being picked apart!
The hex grid makes movement simpler. Speed is standard with the wind directly behind, slightly faster with the wind on the quarters, slightly slower with the wind for'ard of the beam and not possible with the wind dead ahead, unless under oars.
Still very much an alpha version of the rules! Hopefully, having some models to play with will concentrate the mind.
Sounds as if they would handle fairly large fleet actions?
Incidentally, didn't I read somewhere that the English ships that attacked the Armada weren't that much smaller than their Spanish opponents? Someone realised that Spanish tons were much smaller than English tons!
You could fill many pages with popular gibberish about the Spanish Armada. But the tons bit is interesting. Thank you. You've heard that Napoleon's height has been persistently misrepresented for similar reasons, I suppose?
I vote we dig him up and check. :D
Exhumation seems a growing sport, what?
Quote from: Hertsblue on 12 May 2015, 09:02:18 AM
Sounds as if they would handle fairly large fleet actions?
Incidentally, didn't I read somewhere that the English ships that attacked the Armada weren't that much smaller than their Spanish opponents? Someone realised that Spanish tons were much smaller than English tons!
One of several problems with the rules at the moment is the amount of book-keeping so small actions until I sort that out.
From my reading:
English race built galleons were lower and longer than their Spanish equivalents so faster and handier.
The castles which made the Spanish ships better in boarding actions caught the wind and affected their handling.
Spanish guns were set up to be fired once just before boarding whereas the English ones were designed to be fired repeatedly at comparatively long range.
The Spanish needed to close with and cripple the English ships in order to board, where they had the edge. Conversely the English needed to keep their distance and pick the Spanish ships apart with gunfire.
Cannon fire destroyed masts and rigging and killed soldiers and sailors but seems rarely to have actually sunk ships. The Revenge, for example, was attacked by 53 ships, dismasted and with most of her crew dead or injured she surrendered but survived to be sunk in a storm on the way back to Spain.
The long range culverins could hit at great range, but did minimal damage. It was when the English closed that they discovered a useful side-effect of the design: they could penetrate seriously. Not ship-sinkers yet, but real damagers.
The weather has sort of co-operated :) The clouds were light grey and provided enough light for some tripod shots ;)
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A small 3 decker, three large 2 deckers and two small 2 deckers
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Three large 2 deckers and three small 2 deckers
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Three large 2 deckers, two small 2 deckers and a small frigate
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Three small 2 deckers and two small frigates
The Ships of the Line are based on 40x20mm bases and the Frigates on 30x20mm
Some close ups
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The 3 decker
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A large 2 decker
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A small 2 decker
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A large frigate
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A small frigate
The forces for tonight's game, with temporary labels.
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The French, two squadrons each with a frigate 'attached'
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The British, two squadrons each with two frigates 'attached'
The plan is four players with me umpiring if everyone can make it
Bonus points to the first who can name the action...
A clue, it relates to some Pendraken figures I have :-\
Those look really good Paul, I'll be happy if mine turn out half as well!
I presume the battle is either Chesapeake or St Kitts?
4am is either too late or too early (depending on your point of view) to go rummaging on Google to check which :)
Close, one very close, but not quite ;)
It will be the first game with the rules for the players so I have picked a smaller action. Only 8 British and 9 French Ships of the Line.
Mmm, yes....
Those are terrific ! :-bd
How long did it take to get such a great 'match' for the bases and the cloth, Paul ?
Cheers - Phil
Excellent
IanS
Those look really good Paul 8)
Brilliant.
As Phil said, how did you match to the cloth!
They look really, really good! I'm very impressed and having trouble resisting...
Anyone know what Ospreys new napoleonic-ish naval rules are like?!
Look lovely but too small for these old eyes, I'll stick with my 1:1200th ones from http://www.warrioronline.demon.co.uk/ships/ships.htm twice the size but the same price (or cheaper).
Nice looking models, Paul. Nearest action I can find that featured London and that many ships is Groix (23 June 1795).
OK, having had a few hours sleep and put my brain in gear, it's the Battle of Cape Henry.
Here's hoping the respective players are more competent than Arbuthnot and more aggressive than Destouches!
Are you taking the bad weather into account?
Those are 1/4800, and they're approx a sixth the price - £2.40 for three :D
Two squadrons for a tenner and rules for about te same is really, really tempting...
Quote from: GordonY on 16 May 2015, 10:10:33 AM
Look lovely but too small for these old eyes, I'll stick with my 1:1200th ones from http://www.warrioronline.demon.co.uk/ships/ships.htm twice the size but the same price (or cheaper).
I have looked at these when perusing the Warrior catalogue, what is the quality like with them? I haven't seen any pictures of them, I buy from Warrior for figures but never bought ships.
Quote from: Techno on 16 May 2015, 05:46:04 AM
Those are terrific ! :-bd
How long did it take to get such a great 'match' for the bases and the cloth, Paul ?
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: mad lemmey on 16 May 2015, 07:26:01 AM
Brilliant.
As Phil said, how did you match to the cloth!
I use a mix of filler, paint and PVA to 'texture' the bases and it was just a case of picking the right paint ;)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 16 May 2015, 11:21:34 AM
OK, having had a few hours sleep and put my brain in gear, it's the Battle of Cape Henry.
Here's hoping the respective players are more competent than Arbuthnot and more aggressive than Destouches!
Are you taking the bad weather into account?
We have a
winnerQuotemore competent than Arbuthnot
:-\ All 4players are new sailing ships and 3 are fairly new to naval, the British line was in chaos before any shots were exchanged ;)
The two British squadrons are currently separately breaking the French line
Quotemore aggressive than Destouches!
Definitely, sailing boldly for the entrance to the Chesapeake ;)
So far there have been 5 collisions :o
One between two French ships, before any shots were exchanged :o :o
The others came as the British attempted to sail through the French line
There are currently three boarding actions raging, including involving one British ship boarding the French ship it collided with and the second French ship that couldn't avoid the two locked together ships drifting in front of him
QuoteAre you taking the bad weather into account?
As the players are all inexperienced I have moderated the weather slightly for this game, the rules allow for weather effects
Quote from: toxicpixie on 16 May 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Those are 1/4800, and they're approx a sixth the price - £2.40 for three :D
Two squadrons for a tenner and rules for about te same is really, really tempting...
I'm using my own rules so cheaper still ;)
It is the first time these players have used the rules and they seem to be working well. Most importantly everyone is having fun :) :D
The rules focus on the difficulty of manoeuvring ships in close formation with limited communication. This has worked very well.
The French have had one collision and their line has also become somewhat extended as ships have sped up as they came round to head for the Chesapeake. All before a shot was fired ;) ;D
The British are struggling with the need to think several turns ahead and ended up sailing into the middle of the French line :o The lead squadron had no ships in line as they came into range :o :o
The rear British squadron has been ordered to 'Engage closer' and the squadron Flagship (London) is involved in one of the boarding actions :o ;)
I'll put together an AAR after we finish the game next Saturday as well as making some more play aids and making a few minor tweaks to the rules
Sounds like a great scrap! Just goes to show what a decent set of captains/commadores can do!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 16 May 2015, 09:55:47 PM
Sounds like a great scrap! Just goes to show what a decent set of captains/commadores can do!
Bunch of British line breakers - read the Admiralty Fighting Instructions - should be in line yard arm to yard arm parallel with the enemy! >:(
Didn't see Captain Nelson's name amongst the British Captains listed either ;)
Even had the temerity to board my flagship - now repulsed and counter boarding in progress.....
Le Fantastique will enter the Chesapeake - under French Colours. She's a razee'd (cut down) 74 turned into a troop ship with only 30 odd guns.....our mission is to deliver her in to the Chesapeake to assist in the liberation of the Carolinas. At the moment she's well astern of the British and out of danger :)
Sounds cracking :D
Rules good then?!
Quote from: jambo1 on 16 May 2015, 04:09:41 PM
I have looked at these when perusing the Warrior catalogue, what is the quality like with them? I haven't seen any pictures of them, I buy from Warrior for figures but never bought ships.
By actually looking at the Warrior website a bit more closely I have answered my own question!! Doh!! #-o
Quote from: pierre the shy on 16 May 2015, 11:15:45 PM
Le Fantastique will enter the Chesapeake - under French Colours. She's a razee'd (cut down) 74 turned into a troop ship with only 30 odd guns.....our mission is to deliver her in to the Chesapeake to assist in the liberation of the Carolinas. At the moment she's well astern of the British and out of danger :)
Great battle report, Peter. The great skill of fleet manoeuvre was maintaining the battle-line in varying conditions, so you've hit the nail squarely on the head.
Razees were normally very powerful frigates, having the hull and lower-deck guns of a battleship (32 or even 64 pounders).
Jambo the quality is ok like most Warrior stuff, good but definitly not earth shattering. As with all Nappy naval stuff assembly is a bit on the finicky side, go on you know you want to, and who can resist the starter pack at £20 for 7 ships.
Been trying to make excuses for not buying TD Napoleonic ships, I may give in...
Quote from: GordonY on 17 May 2015, 09:56:10 AM
Jambo the quality is ok like most Warrior stuff, good but definitly not earth shattering. As with all Nappy naval stuff assembly is a bit on the finicky side, go on you know you want to, and who can resist the starter pack at £20 for 7 ships.
Aye it's a good deal and I can feel my resolve crumbling!! :-bd
Quote from: paulr on 16 May 2015, 08:57:05 PM
I'll put together an AAR after we finish the game next Saturday as well as making some more play aids and making a few minor tweaks to the rules
We didn't play last Saturday, our host was attending a 21
st :o
We will finish the game tomorrow night. I will have to take over at least one French Squadron as Pierre the Shy has jetted off in the general direction of Middlesbrough for a month or so
Play aids are done and some moderate tweaks have been made to the rules, particularly the layout of the signals to hopefully make them more accessible to land lubbers ;)
Just cause I'm in Hong Kong doesn't mean I'm not here on the forum :)
I'm not lost, but Mrs Shy wanted a stop on the way.....interesting place, 32°C and very humid today.
watch out for those British line breakers Paul ;)
32 degrees? That's our average!
That's quite chilly compared to certain parts of India, at the moment.
Good grief !!!! :o
Cheers - Phil
if it's any consolation I'm sure Peter is feeling the contrast. In the lead up to his departure we had a number of sub zero mornings :o
Sorry Peter, I don't think we managed to avoid one collision all game :o :o
I will put together an AAR and will need to tweak the rules some more as we got some interesting situations :-\
e.g. You've captured one of my ship in a boarding action but your ship has surrendered to another of my ships :o :-/
Quote from: Techno on 30 May 2015, 02:43:29 PM
That's quite chilly compared to certain parts of India, at the moment.
Good grief !!!! :o
Cheers - Phil
Hmm, I'm a bit concerned. An Indian colleague is visiting her family at present....
Quote from: paulr on 30 May 2015, 08:01:20 PM
if it's any consolation I'm sure Peter is feeling the contrast. In the lead up to his departure we had a number of sub zero mornings :o
Sorry Peter, I don't think we managed to avoid one collision all game :o
I will put together an AAR and will need to tweak the rules some more as we got some interesting situations :-\
e.g. You've captured one of my ship in a boarding action but your ship has surrendered to another of my ships :o :-/
Hope I traded up to a better ship ;)
Went to one of the markets today.....could have a genuine fake gshock watch for HK $100 :o
No one's offered me any cheap 10mm figures so far, though its amazing what you can get. They
even have NZ sav blanc wine and eggs from Levin in the local mini mart 8)
I've left it too long to do a prorper AAR of our first game, particularly given how complicated the battle got.
The scenario was the Battle of Cape Henry, 16 March 1781. The British were trying to intercept a similar size but slower French force carrying troops and supplies to Lafayette's forces in Virginia. The French were heading ESE with the British about 6 cables behind. The wind was from the North East and as this was the first game for the players the wind was only strong.
The French turned WSW and ran (a sailing term) for the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay. The British closed rapidly on the French line in some disorder. As the first squadron approached the French line the second squadron was ordered to act independantly and close the enemy.
The French attempted to maintain their line and slip past the English but despite there being only a 1 in 3 chance of a collision occuring almost every time there was a risk of collision the ships collided and a boarding action followed.
Some photos...
The British "line" approaches flanked by two pairs of Frigates
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The lead British squadron approaches the French line
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The French try to maintain their line as the British collide, boarding actions are marked with dice showing how many decks have been captured. On the right Robust has collided with the Neptune and Le Romulus has in turn collided with the Robust
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A close up of the three drifting ships as the remainder of the French line sails past
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During the week between the two halves of the game I made some markers to help record what was going on, here the Neptune, Robust and Le Romulus are locked together after colliding and both Robust and Le Romulus have been captured
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I also created some smoke markers to show ships firing. The French line is sailing towards the camera, "lead" by the British London
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The action becomes confused with two boarding actions between frigates on the left with another Frigate, Guadelupe, having struck her colours. Two more boarding actions between ships of the line are also being fought
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The French captured the Robust and the British flagship Royal Oak and two frigates; Guadelupe and Pearl, and managed to get the Fantasque (the main supply ship) into the Chesapeake.
Unfortunately it was not enough as the British captured Le Jason, L'Ardent, Duc de Bourgogne, Le Romulus, L'Eveille, Provence and the frigate La Hermione. This left the Conquerant, Fantasque and the badly damaged Neptune sheltering in the Chesapeake Bay.
A major but hard won victory to the British and a good time had by all :)
Beautiful looking game!
Mmmmm.
Looks fantastic - but I think if it was me I'd use different coloured labels for the fleets, maybe just a product of spectator photos but I have no idea who's side any of the ships are on (except the close ups). Hopefully the flags stood out in real life :D
Dang, they're nice... do I really need to add to the lead pile?!
Quote from: Zippee on 19 June 2015, 06:51:52 AM
Looks fantastic - but I think if it was me I'd use different coloured labels for the fleets, maybe just a product of spectator photos but I have no idea who's side any of the ships are on (except the close ups). Hopefully the flags stood out in real life :D
A good thought :) At the request of the players I've added space at the back of the labels for recording speed reductions. It would be a good place for a colour code, particularly for larger games. The flags do stand out more in real life
Quote from: toxicpixie on 19 June 2015, 08:48:28 AM
Dang, they're nice... do I really need to add to the lead pile?!
At 1/4,800 they're only little so it would only be a small addition ;) And Paul at Tumbling Dice is a pleasure to deal with :) :d
Terrific looking game, Paul. :-bd
Cheers - Phil
This looks really appealing. I might get Osprey's new rules and buy a pack of 1/4800 ships from TD at Bovington in 2 weeks time.
Regards
Edward
I just used an Xmas voucher from Waterstones to order the rules. More for curiosity than anything else. So order to Tumbling Dice in 3, 2, 1... Might treat myself once i finish the current big commission!
Don't know about the rules but can strongly recommend Tumbling Dice :-bd
Ships are small but are robust and look the business :)
Service is prompt and they were happy to alter the mix of their Trafalgar and Squadron packs for me :) :)
It's not just my Pendraken orders that are bitty :-[ ;)
I'll see once I've had a flick through the rules, then see if I can squeeze a tenner out the housekeeping ;)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 22 June 2015, 08:12:31 AM
I'll see once I've had a flick through the rules, then see if I can squeeze a tenner out the housekeeping ;)
Darling, I thought we weren't eating enough bread, pasta, potatoes, so I've done the groceries for the week....No, how stupid
do I think you are?
I've carefully layered a patina of unlikely and cheap buying decisions over my actions previously, I have good cover...
:D ;D ;D
Now that I have painted the last of my First Crusade project it is time to progress this project :)
Yesterday I prepared and undercoated my 37 remaining Tumbling Dice 1/4,800 'Napoleonic' ships :)
Only 20 months since I completed the last lot ;) ;D
That's fairly recent!
20 months? I've stuff that's still waiting to be painted after 20 years!!
Base colours; deck, hull, sails, done on all ships :)
Dry brushing the sails next
Looking at comment dates, I finished mine eighteen months back; they havent yet seen action :/
Quote from: Ithoriel on 14 January 2017, 07:02:21 PM
20 months? I've stuff that's still waiting to be painted after 20 years!!
So I can safely leave my part of the TD 1/4800 ships in my leadpile for a few years yet then , :-
We missed the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar so you have 8 years until the 210th :D ;D
Quote from: paulr on 16 January 2017, 07:17:27 PM
We missed the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar so you have 8 years until the 210th :D ;D
Um 220th. 210 was 2015. Think you are mixing it up with Waterloo! Doesn't matter - French lost both times.
Damn those 1:4800. Been using Pirated of the Spanish Main ships, but now tempted...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....
FS are fun, but not in depth - no sail settings, no hull or mast firing decisions - Sunjester and I regard them as Adiral set, not a captains set. "I don't care how you do it - just do it captain!". Ships go OK - -> half effect if any damage -> sunk/struck.
Quote from: paulr on 16 January 2017, 07:17:27 PM
We missed the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar so you have 8 years until the 210th :D ;D
We didn't in my house! We had a great big Trafalger Day meal with beef wellington.
That's what you meant, right?
The Tumbling Dice ships are very nice - I think you need a base with who they are though, as they're a bit too tiny for easy recognition at gaming distance!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 16 January 2017, 07:59:25 PM
The Tumbling Dice ships are very nice - I think you need a base with who they are though, as they're a bit too tiny for easy recognition at gaming distance!
Like this? ;)
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Exactly like that :D
Is that thin card, printed and cut?
Can I ask what size font and where you got the flags images from...
It's just standard printer paper, the idea is the labels are customised for each scenario
Font is probably Bold Arial 8pt white on a suitable blue rectangle
The flags are images from Wikipedia or similar resized by Microsoft Word
Next game I'm going to try adding damage records to the labels so we don't have to refer to ship rosters
Right, nice one - ta!
First dry brush done on the sails :)
Next another dry brush, highlighting the sails this time
Would my calculations be correct, the ships are about 2cm long
Give or take a few mil for 1st to 3rd rate sizes differences, pretty much!
QuoteFont is probably Bold Arial 8pt white on a suitable blue rectangle
I was close, just checked and it was 10pt
Quote from: Last Hussar on 17 January 2017, 10:39:57 PM
Would my calculations be correct, the ships are about 2cm long
2.5cm for the largest 3 decker, including the bowsprit :)
Pretty. :)
Nice, cheers Paul :)
I'm taking them to the club tonight, as no one's bothered to reply with what they're running I'll have a solo bash with Fighting Sail or play BBB on my tod. Or paint commissions, depending on what I can carry :D
Hmm, re-reading the rules, do you do the 2" move then pivot on the back corner, or do a 2" move forwards then move the base again to the corner of the turning template and pivot on the back, getting a "free" movement bump? I did know this when I last checked but blowed if I can remember...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 January 2017, 09:50:53 AM
Nice, cheers Paul :)
I'm taking them to the club tonight, as no one's bothered to reply with what they're running I'll have a solo bash with Fighting Sail or play BBB on my tod. Or paint commissions, depending on what I can carry :D
Hmm, re-reading the rules, do you do the 2" move then pivot on the back corner, or do a 2" move forwards then move the base again to the corner of the turning template and pivot on the back, getting a "free" movement bump? I did know this when I last checked but blowed if I can remember...
Derp, just checked the FAQ and answered my own question. Hurrah for mornings!
I'm glad you answered your question, I don't play Fighting Sail. I use a home brew set of my own
Sails highlighted and about a third of the masts and yards painted ochre :)
Another third of the masts and yards in beige brown next, followed by the final third in US Tan Earth :!!
Move then pivot on the back corner, otherwise its a double move. With tack and wear move 2 then pivot 90
Yes, when I re-read the FAQ it reminded me! It's quite obvious in the rules (I thought) but the diagrams confuse things as they sort of use two examples in one...
I ended up running d&d for two new people so no boats!
Quote from: paulr on 18 January 2017, 04:46:44 AM
2.5cm for the largest 3 decker, including the bowsprit :)
Hold on, just done another calc - are you talking 1/2400 or 1/4800?
1cm at 1/4800 =48m - Victory 57m
I'm talking 1/4,800
HMS Victory gun deck is 57m @ 1/4,800 11.8mm, overall is 69m @ 1/4,800 14.4mm
Note length overall does not include the bowsprit, there are at least 5 different lengths for a vessel
LOA, LH, LOD, LPP, LWL, ...
The remaining two thirds of the masts and yards done in beige brown and US Tan Earth :)
Rigging next
Rigging done on half the ships :)
The painting has reached an 'interesting' stage. I'm putting on very little paint but it is much more about not accidentally getting paint where it shouldn't be. The rigging is between two sets of sails which had to be painted first as they needed to be drybrushed ~X(
Rigging on the remaining ships finished #:-S :)
Two thirds of fighting tops done, one more colour to do
Made a start on bulwarks, three out of seven colours done
All stern and bow decoration colours done :)
Gold dry brush to do
Last third of the fighting tops done :)
Remaining four out of seven colours done on the bulwarks :)
All stern and bow decoration dry brushed Gold :)
All hull strokes/stripes done :)
Touch ups, wash and model bases left to do
Prepared bases ready for painting :)
Both sides of bases painted and first coat on the edges of half the bases done :)
All base edges have had two coats :)
Glued magnetic vinyl to all bases :)
Touch ups finished on all ships :)
I will wash them tomorrow once the paint is fully dry
Blimey Paul, you're a machine :D
Washed the ships :)
Labelled underside of bases, just number of decks and if large :)
Basing tomorrow
Good timing.......got an email from Leon to say my WW1 stuff is on the way to NZ ;)
Put a second 'coat' of wash on the rigging so that more would settle into the lines representing the shrouds and ratlines
This worked :)
Touched up a few sails where the first 'coat' of wash had pooled too much, particularly on some of the outer jibs
This also worked :)
Painted the cast on sea :)
Once dry, I glued the ships to the bases :)
Seascaping tomorrow or maybe Sunday morning :!!
Quote from: pierre the shy on 26 January 2017, 08:09:38 AM
Good timing.......got an email from Leon to say my WW1 stuff is on the way to NZ ;)
Don't worry Peter I've got some AWI terrain to keep me busy until our Pendraken (and then Navwar) orders arrive
Seascaping done :)
The filler, paint & PVA mix has dried a little lighter than the last lot of ships I did so I will have to paint the seascapes bases :!!
Once dry I'll add some white wakes and wave tops
Of course now I have painted the seascapes they are slightly darker than the last batch ~X( ;D
Wakes and wave tops done :)
The sea isn't all the same colour :S
The important bit is - when they're on the table, and you're an arms length away, does it look good?! Or at least acceptable :)
I'll take some pictures once I've had a chance to varnish them and let you lot decide ;)
Forecast is showers and/or windy all week :(
A beautiful sunny day today so I got the ships varnished before the wind got up :)
I should get a chance to photograph them this afternoon :!!
Photographs as promised...
Two large three deckers, one large frigate and two frigates
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2081_zps2tf8u60n.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2082_zpsljacyqnw.jpg)
Eight three deckers
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2083_zpsb25zpedv.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2084_zpsit8darrl.jpg)
Eight large two deckers
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2085_zpsikbupzaw.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2086_zps7wihruje.jpg)
Sixteen two deckers
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2087_zpskyismc7p.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2088_zpsc6a3zuef.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2089_zpsk5j3uhdd.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2090_zps24miy86n.jpg)
A picture with a ruler to give a better indication of the size of the ships
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2091_zps7htfu1yj.jpg)
Some of these are from the initial batch and some from the last batch, anyone care to guess which are which :-\
And finally a picture of all my ships
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/SAGA/IMG_2080_zpsdkoyke5p.jpg)
2 Large three deckers
9 Three deckers
14 Large two deckers
26 Two deckers
3 Large Frigates
6 Frigates
60 Total
Those are awesome incarnate!
Quote from: paulr on 04 February 2017, 04:05:36 AM
Some of these are from the initial batch and some from the last batch, anyone care to guess which are which :-
Very fine looking ships and quite a lot of them too!
First and third are one batch, second and fourth another. But I only noticed because you mentioned something about the base colour being different. If you hadn't I would never have seen it!
Lovely stuff, Paul!
Are they all on 40mm by 15mm (?) bases or are the smaller ones at the top on shorter bases - I can't quite tell on the phone!
@ OldenBUA - correct :)
@ toxicpixie - Ships of the line are on 40x20, Frigates on 30x20 to help differentiate them
In my rules 40mm = 1 cable
Those ARE rather spiffy !
Cheers - Phil
Good idea Paul, I've been debating what to do with mine :)
Just excellent work as always, Paul. Really like your basing technique. I'm going to look back through the thread and see if you described your method. If it is not there, what IS your method? :)
My basing is based on a method I picked up on here :)
I paint the base the appropriate blue and then glue the ship to the base.
I then use a filler (Spackle), paint and PVA mix to cover the base and blend the moulded sea on the model. Once the mix has started to dry I use a toothpick to lift the mix to form the waves. Then once fully dry I dry brush around the ship and the waves white.