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Title: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Jagger on 17 August 2010, 03:11:21 PM
Leon, any chance we can see photos of the Ottoman cavalry codes OT3, OT5, OT7 and the OT 8, 10 and 11 bowman?  I am curious if any could potentially be squeezed into representing Crusader era Arabs, turcomans or Byzantines?  Same with the bows.

It looks like the OT4 models might be useful for ghulam heavy cavalry with mail, easter helmet or turban, round shield, lance, mace and bow.  The feathers would need to be removed but I think it might work.   So now I am wondering about the other cavalry codes.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: jchaos79 on 17 August 2010, 11:40:06 PM
check this out, maybe can help:

http://warmaster-acolytes.mforos.com/1854818/9155948-pen-ot5-ottoman-turkish-akinji-light-horse-with-bow-javelins-16th-c-ottoman-turks/

http://warmaster-acolytes.mforos.com/1854818/9094882-pen-ot10-janissaries-bow-16-ottoman-turks-arqueros-jenizaros/

catalogue in progress: http://warmaster-acolytes.mforos.com/1854818/9149890-indice-database/
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Jagger on 18 August 2010, 01:02:10 AM
Thanks Leon.  Looks like the Akinji would work as well if the feathers were removed.  Although its looks harder to remove the feathers from the Akinji than the OT4 model. 
The Janaissaire bowmen won't work.
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 18 August 2010, 01:05:09 AM
Quote from: Jagger on 18 August 2010, 01:02:10 AM
Thanks Leon.

Woohoo!  And I haven't even done anything yet!

I'll get some pics of those ones for you.
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Jagger on 18 August 2010, 01:08:06 AM
Whoops...thanks, jchaos!    :o

Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: lentulus on 18 August 2010, 01:15:15 AM
jchaos, that is a real service, thank you!
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 18 August 2010, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: lentulus on 18 August 2010, 01:15:15 AM
jchaos, that is a real service, thank you!

Very much so, I'll have to bookmark that link. 

Thanks jchaos!   :-bd
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: jchaos79 on 21 August 2010, 09:39:48 AM
you're very welcome, we try to make weekly incomes, and also it is open to anyone who would like to colaborate or upload pics. Just sign the forum and upload them or send them to me and I will add to the catalogue :)
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Jagger on 31 August 2010, 03:03:42 PM
Hi Leon, any luck on the Ottoman photos of cavalry and bows?  I hope to do another order sometime in September and may pick up some Ottomans if I can fit them into arab or turk crusader period.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 01 September 2010, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: Jagger on 31 August 2010, 03:03:42 PM
Hi Leon, any luck on the Ottoman photos of cavalry and bows?  I hope to do another order sometime in September and may pick up some Ottomans if I can fit them into arab or turk crusader period.  Thanks!

I'll get some taken for you, hopefully before the weekend.
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Jagger on 01 September 2010, 10:32:52 PM
Ok, thanks.  It will probably be another week or two before I order.
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 18 September 2010, 10:49:04 PM
OT3 - Silhidars cavalry, lance:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/5001031269_4fc0c6769e.jpg)

OT7 - Tartar auxiliaries cavalry, bow/sabre:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5001028375_a26d2369bc.jpg)

OT8 - Sultans guard, bow:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5001630240_d8ee274872.jpg)

OT11 - Azabs, bow:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5001032359_d05b0de44e.jpg)

Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Jagger on 20 September 2010, 03:26:49 PM
Thanks Leon!

I like those tartar figures.  It looks like the only figures that might fit into the crusader period are the OT4 and OT5 with modification as Ghulams and perhaps the Azab bowmen.
Maybe the tartars as allied Eastern Steppe horsemen.  I wonder if those tarter hats were common at all in the 1000-1200s.  Thanks again!
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: FierceKitty on 20 September 2010, 04:57:26 PM
I've got an idea that some Turkoman troops may have worn them too.
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: jchaos79 on 22 September 2010, 09:52:04 PM
Those tartars are SUPERB!!!

I must include them in my next order.... mmmmmhhhh.... wow, congratulation to the sculptor!!! Anyway is it possible to know the Nickname or the name of the Trukish range? is just curiosity.
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 23 September 2010, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: jchaos79 on 22 September 2010, 09:52:04 PM
Those tartars are SUPERB!!!

I must include them in my next order.... mmmmmhhhh.... wow, congratulation to the sculptor!!! Anyway is it possible to know the Nickname or the name of the Trukish range? is just curiosity.

It's the Ottoman Turk range, here: http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Renaissance-c12/16th-C-Ottoman-Turks-sc46/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Renaissance-c12/16th-C-Ottoman-Turks-sc46/)
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: jchaos79 on 23 September 2010, 06:09:14 PM
uuuups yes , I mean to know the name of the ottoman turkish range sculptor?

sorry for the confusion
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 23 September 2010, 06:50:08 PM
It's the same sculptor as the SYW/WSS ranges, along with a various other ranges.  He's a very quiet chap, so we shall call him Squishy...

Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Luddite on 15 November 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Any pictures of the Ottoman chaps with muskets?   :-\
Title: Re: Ottoman Turks as Crusader era Arabs/Turcomans/Byzantines?
Post by: Leon on 23 December 2010, 02:43:45 AM
Quote from: Luddite on 15 November 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Any pictures of the Ottoman chaps with muskets?   :-\

OT9:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5205/5284542392_b3774bac41.jpg)