No I don't mean the rap artist (that is "rap" with a silent "c"), but ... well let me go to a curtain dissolve and with some harp arpeggios (or is it glissandos?) take you back to how I remember it happening ...
Postie: Hey FSN ...
FSN: It's Mr FSN to you (canned laughter)
Postie: Sorry Mr FSN, but I was just wondering if you could sign here?
FSN: I don't normally have to sign for my Pendraken goodliness
Postie: Oh no! It's not that, I just want your autograph. (canned laughter)
FSN: Why certainly, you rapscallion. I would tousle your head, but you appear to have no hair. (canned laughter)
Postie: Would you like to meet my sister?
FSN: Well indeed not! For then there would be two of you I would have to avoid. (canned laughter)
Postie: Oh Nobby ... sorry FSN ... sorry Mr FSN, you're such a wheeze!
FSN: Why thank you.
Postie: Tell me, Mr FSN, do you still use egg white in your paint?
curtain dissolve, harp arpeggios
Well that's the way I remember it.
The little scamp's last remark made me think. Use egg white in paint? Something is scratching at the back of my and it's either a dim memory, or it's time for the powder again. So what do you think chaps?
Ask William Morris, his arts and crafts job on the Sheldonian in Oxford scrambled!
:D
I might be treading on egg shells here but I think he's poaching for ideas. :-\
Why would you need a binding agent?
Could use shellac :D
Yes. Thank you for the egg yolks.
So, nobody has used egg white in their acrylics?
I may have to experiment! :d
Funny thing is, Nobby......That sort of rings a bell.
When we used to get sent off to do painting demo's in some of the GW shops, we'd often hear 'strange' tips that folk wanted to impart.
I have to say that we tended to ignore the vast majority of them, because they sounded a bit 'off the rails'.....Or downright unsafe, especially for youngsters.
There was one, a 'how to strip' paint from figures.....Never tried that one, though it may be quite genuine.
Another one followed an article in WD.
"Ooooh...you shouldn't put that in the magazine."
"Why ?"
"Well...if someone did 'X' to that...Such and such would happen."...BAD !!
The likelihood of anyone actually TRYING, or even thinking about doing 'this' was about as likely as me winning the jackpot on the lottery, two weeks on the bounce....unless we put it in the magazine with "Don't whatever you do, try this."
You could guarantee there would be some idiot who would give it a go and probably burn their house down ! X_X
(I must give it a go one day........Outside.....The 'physics' does sound genuine.)
Cheers - Phil
If it was good enough for the Renaissance
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempera
Quote from: fsn on 30 March 2015, 10:16:41 AM
I may have to experiment! :d
Quote from: Techno on 30 March 2015, 10:21:38 AM
You could guarantee there would be some idiot who would give it a go and probably burn their house down ! X_X
(I must give it a go one day........Outside.....The 'physics' does sound genuine.)
Did you read that, Nobby?
Police Loudspeaker: FSN .... We know you're in there! ....... Put the egg down ........ Stand away from the egg!
... [voice from the crowd] .... hang in there, Nobby! The Fire Brigade is on its way .....
OK ...do you think it's all egg white, or a mix of egg and water?
Do I mix it until it gets still or just go for it?
Oh ... Wiki says add a few drops of water.
Do you think there will be a bit of a yellowish tinge?
What do you do with all the yolks?
So, Techno, ole buddy, ole pal, does your phenomenal memory remember anything about GW using eggy paint? I must check my 1970's editions of Military Modelling.
Why do you wan to do this anyway? :o
This is SO annoying !
The answer's lurking, somewhere in the organic hard drive....But I just cannot find the folder it's in.
I'm more convinced than ever there was one chap......Who often came out with 'pearls of wisdom', who mentioned this. (I won't repeat his nickname. :-[)
For the life of me I just cannot remember if he used something to mix with the white...Was it water....And Acrylic paint..
AAARGH !!
Give it a whirl, Nobby ...But not on something precious, in case odd things happen with the paint.
If you DO try it.....I'm sure my dear old Mum used to use a lot of egg whites for cooking 'something'...and saved the yolks in a basin.
From what I can remember, 'strangled eggs' made with just the yolks, were really scrummy !!
Let us know how you get on, Matey !
Cheers - Phil
QuoteWhat do you do with all the yolks?
You make your own Mayo (or so you say ;))
Bearnaise sauce with steak and chunky chips. Yum yum! :)
From memory the egg white was just used as a binding agent for the ye olde pigments used way back when and it helped said pigment stick to vellum
Quote from: Fenton on 30 March 2015, 05:09:48 PM
From memory...
Crikey, didn't realise you went back
that far Steve! :D
Quote from: fsn on 30 March 2015, 04:26:54 PM
What do you do with all the yolks?
Don't those end up in the forum bar fight thread?
That's Brother Fentius really
Actually it is the yolk minus the egg sac that is used in tempera painting. It can be used straight. or diluted with, preferably, distilled water. it does not colour the paint and is used, normally with dry pigment, as a binding agent. however it can be used with ready mixed water based paints. it drie to depending on whether used neat or diluted to a semi gloss, or velvety finish. It has the advantage that, when dry, it is near impossible to remove hence the survival of mediaeval illuminated manuscripts. Egg white can be used as a binding agent too but in this case the whites are whisked and left in a fridge overnight and the liquid, called glair< which oozed out used similarly too the yolk for panting. It is useful to be a calligrapher and know this lol.
Thanks for that
The bit about whisking the egg whites is interesting, though thinking about it logically its glaringly obvious
In addition to Nirnman's comments, the link below is one of many to be found on t'internet regarding the use of egg tempera.
http://www.webexhibits.org/pigments/intro/tempera.html (http://www.webexhibits.org/pigments/intro/tempera.html)
Interestingly it suggests that egg white might not be a good thing to use in certain circumstances when it states, "Albumen, the protein found in egg white, prevents the paint from adhering well ..." Presumably, this is where whisking comes in (to prevent that)?
OK, so far I have a blue meringue. :(
Thats ok just do some swirls through it, add some raspberries and say its a Pict Pavlova
OK. Now I have purple teeth.
.... and if it is, as they say, a binding agent, tomorrow you might have some trouble .... :-SS
I may just give up and have an omlette!
re the blue meringue you ma be interested to know that shaving foam can be used as a carrier for marbling lol
In other words, it makes a right mess.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 30 March 2015, 07:52:37 PM
In other words, it makes a right mess.
That about sums it up I would have thought. :D
As if it weren't irritating enough that one always has a fridge full of egg whites after a mayonnaise, an ice-cream, a Bavarian, a Hollandaise, a custard....
I will learn to make meringues, comes my next holiday!
For Oil painting (on canvas, mind you) it is an emulsion of egg white + lino oil.
It is to "re-moisture" a base of oil (already on the canvas for a while) to add some new diluated colors (like the red of a lip, or a cheek).
Last night, just for a bit of fun, I had an experiment on a couple of 'bits' that were sitting amongst the clutter on the desk.
Results......Good/interesting so far.
BUT.........
I would advise anyone NOT to suck the brush when using raw eggs unless you want an upset 'gut'.
I DID use eggs from the Techno Towers' chickens.....They're probably smothered in campylobacter or salmonella.
Cheers - Mr Stupid. :-&
So I've undercoated a few British WWII figs, will have a go at painting them tonight in various eggy blends.
I've also got my three trial bases of white as it comes from the bottle, white pigment with an egg white/water medium and white pigment with an egg yolk/water medium.
I went for white rather than rhode island red.
And Techno is right. Sucking the *cluck* brushes does taste *cluck* a bit off. Also, despite the *cluuuuck* change of daylight saving, I *craa* got up at sunrise this morning and *craaaaa* was very chipper.
Quote from: fsn on 31 March 2015, 07:13:28 AM
I went for white rather than rhode island red.
Oh......Good
grief !! X_X
You Oik !! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Egg white + line oil emulsion can be kept in fridge for one week.
But WHY? :o :o :o
There are loads of perfectly good, non-hen's period, products out there!
Granted I'm winging it here but it seems it a bit cock-eyed to me too! :o :-/ :-\
Clucking at straws really!
Those last three yolks were poultry!
I thought they were cracking!
Still leaves me wondering what fowl plan FSN is hatching here ..... :-\ :P
I think he'll end up looking a bit of a turkey!
I used to have a friend who swore by the technique of mixing eggs in with paint for basing. Can't remember if he used the white, yolk, or both. Maybe he used oils or some other paint? It struck me as odd at the time, but from reading some of the replies here, maybe there was something to it?
Also have a dim memory of being told that egg is handy for re-pointing the tips of brushes. Not tried either of them myself, mind.
All sounds a bit yucky to me!
Eggsactly!
Will he need to duck every time he paints ?
Or is it a completely fowl turkey ??
ianS
Ill go....
Quote from: Atavus on 31 March 2015, 09:34:08 AM
Also have a dim memory of being told that egg is handy for re-pointing the tips of brushes.
But how? An egg is round. :o :-/ :-\
Good point. Maybe it gets used in a similar manner to the technique used to sharpen a knife on a whetstone? :D
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8692/16784960127_d21d870082_z.jpg)
OK. Sorry about the quality, but I thought I'd share the fruits of my labour.
The one in the middle is straight from the bottle.
The one on the left is using a 50:50 egg white & water and the one on the right 50:50 egg yolk and water.
I am frankly amazed that the yolk has dried so well. I think there's a bit of a yellowish tinge, and it may be a little silkier than the other.
The egg white seems a little green to me. Could this be because I didn't use distilled water, just boiled (and cooled)?
Again, sorry about the photo quality, but what do you think?
To be honest from the photo they all look the same
You could well be right. I'll see if I can get a better photo. :(
:-\........Hmmmm
Difficult to tell, Nobby......Possibly the one of the right has the slightest blue/green tinge. (But then, we're all supposed to see colours slightly differently...So who knows.)
I've actually finished my two efforts......And to be honest, I think even Matt (of Munslow) might be impressed. (Said he modestly..... :D)
When you've finished yours......We'll have a 'white off'.
I'll show you mine, etc......Fnrrr, fnrr.
Cheers - Phil
Aw c'mon! Pressure, Man! Pressure!
I'm not that good a painter at the best of times.
Actually, I'm quite pleased with the results. The base coat is on, I'll see if I can get the rest done before beddy-time.
How about a grand reveal? Tomorrow. High Noon!
:Ph
You're on !!
May the best oik win !
Cheers - Phil
It is only here, that a grown man and Nobby could have a competition over egg white paint!
And people think we're weird... =)
I'm really quite intrigued by this guys. Looking forward to your efforts tomorrow.
and Nobby, I can't tell the difference between the the 3 pages either :(
After much experimentation...all three look white! =D> =D> <:-P <:-P =D> =D>
;D ;D ;D
Well, isn't that a good thing?
I think I've lost the plot.
Quote from: getagrip on 31 March 2015, 09:54:51 PM
After much experimentation...all three look white! =D> =D> <:-P <:-P =D> =D>
;D ;D ;D
;D
I know, It's mental. 8-} :O) <:-P
It reminds me of a play I saw in the West End many years ago called, "Art." Set in Paris, the story revolves around three friends who find their previously solid 15-year friendship on shaky ground when one buys an expensive painting.
The canvas is white, with a few white lines. Here's what it looked like:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_(play)#/media/File:Art,_OVO,_St_Albans,_Feb_2011.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_(play)#/media/File:Art,_OVO,_St_Albans,_Feb_2011.jpg)
Quote from: Techno on 31 March 2015, 09:05:48 PM
May the best oik win !
...... I think it will be a whitewash for ..... :-\
Curiosity got the better of me. Plucked up my courage and had a go at painting with egg tonight (not a 10mm Spehs Mareen, though!). Not sure about the results, but I'll let the test piece dry overnight and see how it looks in the morning and I'll share my findings.
Maybe I'll throw my hat in with the showdown that seems to be brewing, if that's not too presumptuous of me? I'm hoping that I will not regret my experiment. I'll be upset if it ends up smelling rotten in a day or two. You might even say... I'd have egg on my face (can't believe I succumbed to that. Sorry folks!).
Do you know, I've suddenly come round to this egg painting.
I've been mixing my Vallejo paints with different amounts of egg white and the results are amazing:
PM me and I'll show you the piccies!
Personally, I think painting with egg is: "A Poor Silly Fad!"
Quote from: Atavus on 31 March 2015, 10:47:19 PM
I'm hoping that I will not regret my experiment. I'll be upset if it ends up smelling rotten in a day or two. You might even say... I'd have egg on my face (can't believe I succumbed to that. Sorry folks!).
You'll all be sorry when a plague of mongooses arrives on your doorstep! :P :>
.... you're doomed! ...... doomed! ..... :-S
Mongoose diet: Mongooses mostly feed on insects, crabs, earthworms, lizards, snakes, birds, and rodents. However, they also eat eggs and carrion. P.S. This is an April Fool's joke, isn't it?
Well, here's my effort at painting with egg. Definitely looks better in daylight...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O2faTWVgcA8/VRvDr2ff7wI/AAAAAAAADFo/4yic6q-Spik/w407-h543-no/20150401_110807.jpg)
Quote from: Westmarcher on 01 April 2015, 09:20:06 AM
P.S. This is an April Fool's joke, isn't it?
'Course it is, Westie !
Knew you'd all sussed that
yonks ago !
More of a
happy April 1, than April Fool.
Anyway, without further ado.....I give you my own pitiful paint job.
(I'm going to come third out of three ! :'( :'( :'( :'(
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP5473_zps5vsf2v5y.jpg) (http://s1118.photobucket.com/user/technodestructorman/media/IMGP5473_zps5vsf2v5y.jpg.html)
May have to go and edit it, size wise as the preview is still awol.
Cheers - Phil
Here's my offerings. Mostly WWII, but some Austrian Napoleonics too.
RAF Pilot, 1940: "Scramble!"
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7628/16709593310_3269bdc9a1_z.jpg)
British artillerymen and shells
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8723/16277012023_9736029970_z.jpg)
Casualty figure: "It's not bad Chalkie, you've just copped a Blighty one *gulp*"
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8733/16710851509_5495fbe67a_z.jpg)
Austrian soldiers at Eggmuhl. The 1st Bttn 4th "Hoch und Deutchmeister" - they were reputed to be a lucky unit, and the regimental band was first class whch cheered up the troops. Thus they were the Happy 1st of the 4th.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8693/16709585790_bac517ba75_z.jpg)
Happy 1st of the 4th
;D ;D ;D
Cracking! :D
I just LOVE Atavus' 'Dwegg'.....and Nobby's captions.
I meant to put in.....Mine are an Orgg & an Undegg.
Please feel free to join in, gang !
Cheers - Phil
;D ;D ;D
Brilliant! I wish my Easter Eggs had been like that when I was a lad. =D>
I knew FSN was hatching a fowl plan .... but took me a while, Nobby et alia!
Excellent crack chaps =D>
Prize for brush work to Atavus
Prize for originality and 'having a go, bless him' to FSN.
Prize for best sculpt: Techno
Prize for worst anagram: Getagrip
(and its no wonder Leon's on holiday this time after the stunt you pair pulled last year!)
I thank you! :-[
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 01 April 2015, 12:55:10 PM
Prize for best sculpt: Techno
(and its no wonder Leon's on holiday this time after the stunt you pair pulled last year!)
I thought my eggs, lathed from coloured Sylmasta A+B
were rather good. :^o :^o :^o
Nobby deserves huge credit.....He didn't even hard boil his eggs. :o :o
What stunt ?.......Oh....THAT one !! ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
That cunning stunt!
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 01 April 2015, 12:55:10 PM
(and its no wonder Leon's on holiday this time after the stunt you pair pulled last year!)
O:-)
Techno and Atavus may have the edge in artistry, but I should point out, I was using
10mm eggs.
;D ;D ;D
Quality :D
Stop encouraging him, you dipstick, Rodney !
Cheers - Matron, Uncle Albert, Granddad.
Quote from: Techno on 01 April 2015, 08:25:30 PM
Stop encouraging him, you dipstick, Rodney !
Cheers - Matron, Uncle Albert, Granddad.
;D ;D ;D
This one could go on a while. ;)
O God I hope not, it get really eggagerated, eggactly....
IanS ;)
I think we're going to have to start a 'pun box' as opposed to a swear box......2p a time.
We could make a fortune for 'cherridy,' Mate.
Cheers - Phil
2p or not 2p, that is the question.
(4p I owe now). :D