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Title: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 28 March 2015, 03:52:13 PM
I have been working on dark age wargame armies for basic Impetus rules. The rules are a nice easy set of rules that give a good game with plenty of dark age flavour. The armies are made up of large base's with between 3 and 6 figures mounted on them, each army having between 8 and 12 bases.
Please Have a look at the latest posts on my blog for on the work bench Arthurian's, Saxons, late Romans and Irish. Plus other general wargame rambling.
http://phenallred.blogspot.co.uk
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 28 March 2015, 04:02:36 PM
They are superb Phenall :-bd
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Post by: Techno on 28 March 2015, 06:20:38 PM
I like those a lot !!  :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 28 March 2015, 06:23:30 PM
Thank you both
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 29 March 2015, 08:52:16 AM
Very nice
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Post by: Luddite on 29 March 2015, 09:14:06 AM
Very nice phenallred.

A couple of questions:

1.  Did you use the Army Painter 'dip' for the shading?

2.  Given the basing, I presume this is a clan from the South Downs area?  (That's where i'm from!)   :D
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 09:19:06 AM
Quote from: Luddite on 29 March 2015, 09:14:06 AM
1.  Did you use the Army Painter 'dip' for the shading?

Do look "dipped" don't they?

I like the AP quickshade for skellies.
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: Leman on 29 March 2015, 09:41:45 AM
Lovely; I do the same in 28mm for Dux Bellorum, but use 100mm frontage and tend to put a few more on the base. Also, I go 50mm depth all infantry and 75mm depth all cavalry.
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 29 March 2015, 10:26:48 AM
Thanks for the kind words.
The figures are washed with a mix of army painter dark shade and a splash of turpentine this gives the shading a rough look sprayed with there mat varnish once dry. I like to think there from the Surrey hills  :)
I play both Dux Bellorum and Basic Impetus both rules use large bases.
both are a good set of rules. 
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: phenallred on 29 March 2015, 10:26:48 AM
Thanks for the kind words.
The figures are washed with a mix of army painter dark shade and a splash of turpentine this gives the shading a rough look sprayed with there mat varnish once dry. I like to think there from the Surrey hills  :)
I play both Dux Bellorum and Basic Impetus both rules use large bases.
both are a good set of rules. 

How do you find the AP spray?

I've had mixed results; the weather seems to make a massive difference :-\
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: Fenton on 29 March 2015, 10:28:42 AM
Have you tried just using the Dark Tone ink instead watered down a little?...does almost the same job but less messy.


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Post by: Fenton on 29 March 2015, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 10:28:16 AM
How do you find the AP spray?

I've had mixed results; the weather seems to make a massive difference :-\

Gareth

I used to hate it and always used Humbrol, but in desperation recently I bought some and it seemed better, not sure if I was lucky or they have changed the formula slightly
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 10:35:09 AM
Quote from: Fenton on 29 March 2015, 10:30:11 AM
Gareth

I used to hate it and always used Humbrol, but in desperation recently I bought some and it seemed better, not sure if I was lucky or they have changed the formula slightly

Yeah, this is why I switched Steve.

I think it was Leman (apologies if not) who recommended Vallejo Matt; I now have a 500ml bottle of the stuff!  Paint it on; simples :)
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: Fenton on 29 March 2015, 10:46:11 AM
I'm not a huge fan of brush on varnish, never seems to work right ( for me anyway) on tanks and other vehicles
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 29 March 2015, 10:58:55 AM
I have tried AP and Games workshop, both are okay. I find two coats of a very light cover of spray matt varnish works best. Brush on varnish I do struggle with. I think the formula has changed  :-\

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Post by: Fenton on 29 March 2015, 11:02:39 AM
oops . I forgot...Lovely figures
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Post by: TONTON FLINGUEUR on 29 March 2015, 02:42:25 PM
I shall like I can paint 28mm with this quality, magnificent figurines
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Post by: Leman on 29 March 2015, 03:43:23 PM
I used to paint on matt varnish but found the results a bit too flat. I now paint on Vallejo satin varnish.
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 29 March 2015, 04:25:47 PM
I must admit I have always been a matt varnish man myself, but im always willing to give new ideas i things a go. :)
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Post by: toxicpixie on 29 March 2015, 04:59:15 PM
Lovely figures :) I do like a bit of big base 28mm here and there :)

Varnish - I actually rather like the AP matt spray, seems to give good coverage and excellent wear. Feels pricey though...
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 29 March 2015, 04:59:15 PM

Varnish - I actually rather like the AP matt spray, seems to give good coverage and excellent wear. Feels pricey though...

The price doesn't bother me (well, better if free and all that), it's the inconsistency :-\

Could not get a reliable result >:(
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: toxicpixie on 29 March 2015, 07:43:32 PM
I've inly used two cans so far, and they seem consistent (so far...), certainly as much so as my
Usual GW/Humbrol/Tamiya/Halfords an better by far than the rustoleum...
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 07:54:18 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 29 March 2015, 07:43:32 PM
I've inly used two cans so far, and they seem consistent (so far...), certainly as much so as my
Usual GW/Humbrol/Tamiya/Halfords an better by far than the rustoleum...

Where do you spray them?

I have to work outdoors and, barring the 4.5 days of beautiful sunshine we get, the results are erratic.

I reckon AP spray was designed in Saudi Arabia >:(
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: Ithoriel on 29 March 2015, 07:57:17 PM
I spray outdoors too and, barring the odd foolish attempt to spray in the middle of a rain-shower or a gale, get good results every time. 
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 07:58:02 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 29 March 2015, 07:57:17 PM
I spray outdoors too and, barring the odd foolish attempt to spray in the middle of a rain-shower or a gale, get good results every time. 

Yeah, I'm crap, I know :-[

;D :) :P
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 29 March 2015, 08:07:11 PM
General the AP sprays are okay although I have had problems with a can of there base coats ( don't spray down as the paint spots something to do with gravity  ;))
Also they say shake well what they mean is shake it for about an hour.
but I do like there matt varnish.
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: toxicpixie on 29 March 2015, 11:59:58 PM
Outside for spraying of any sort for me - Mrs Pixie gets very annoyed at the thought of the wee Pixie one breathing in fumes... And tbh it does me no good either!

If it's wet I sometimes use a space in te shed with the doors wide open, or spray with the minis in a cardboard box on it's side with the top open to form a "hide" or improv booth.

Actually, thinking about it the only sprays I've had a frosting problem with we're the AP ones, but a second pass cured that nicely. And it was a very wet and forgotten in the rain moment...
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 30 March 2015, 12:03:19 AM
I didn't dare give it a second shot after it frosted; too much work on the line!  >:(
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 March 2015, 06:34:32 AM
Once frosted, what have you got to lose?!
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 30 March 2015, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 March 2015, 06:34:32 AM
Once frosted, what have you got to lose?!

Any vestige of the detail ; they were, at least, useable.
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 March 2015, 08:15:12 AM
One quick light spray over should change the refractive index enough that they don't appear frosty any more; at least on the rare occasion I've needed to it has :D
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Post by: getagrip on 30 March 2015, 08:28:47 AM
Thanks Nathan, might give that a go if I'm feeling brave ;)
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Post by: toxicpixie on 30 March 2015, 08:30:22 AM
I have to say it was a "close the eyes and spray" moment for me when I first tried it!
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 30 March 2015, 08:31:09 AM
Happened on my last batch, but only to flags!
Quick respray later and they were fine.  :-SS #:-S
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 30 March 2015, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 March 2015, 08:30:22 AM
I have to say it was a "close the eyes and spray" moment for me when I first tried it!

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: phenallred on 30 March 2015, 09:36:58 AM
It has frosted on a few occasions but after the first stage of trauma :'(
a swift light spray did sort things out. I was told once that if you spray outside the dampness in the air can mess with the spray content  (well this is Britain after all)
Title: Re: 28mm dark age wargame armies
Post by: getagrip on 30 March 2015, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: phenallred on 30 March 2015, 09:36:58 AM
It has frosted on a few occasions but after the first stage of trauma :'(
a swift light spray did sort things out. I was told once that if you spray outside the dampness in the air can mess with the spray content  (well this is Britain after all)

Dampness makes it unusable for me and the Vallejo varnish is considerably cheaper; I won't be going back to sprays anytime soon :)