Hi all,
Well I've decided to get rid of all my 6mm figures. :o
The big decision is whether to go for 10mm or 15mm. 28mm is a definite no-no.
So I'll be heading to the Sheffield Triples show with cash in hand and make my final choice there. :-\
My chosen periods are WOTR, ECW and Naps. The only thing missing on Pendraken is the limited Naps range. I could of course start with the other periods and wait for the Naps to expand.
Cudders
10mm means more miniatures for that cash in your hand ;)
You've come to the wrong place for a reasoned argument. :P
Quote from: fsn on 27 March 2015, 11:26:19 PM
You've come to the wrong place for a reasoned argument. :P
;D ;D
Quote from: fsn on 27 March 2015, 11:26:19 PM
You've come to the wrong place for a reasoned argument. :P
On anything :D
But as for minis; smaller the better: ranges make more sense; tabletop makes more sense; scale makes more sense; visually more impressive; and finally, if you can't work out what you're painting, paint it black; at 10mm no-one can bloody tell anyway!
10mm: the lead-aholics choice ;)
Pendraken is expanding their Napoleonics range, a quick couple of links here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10941.0.html
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11762.0.html
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9483.0.html
The reason I would go for 10mm over 15mm is as follows.
- With 15mm you have to keep diving in and out of different manufacturers, this may sound OK but you can end up with with figures ranging from 12mm - 18mm, some are stocky and thick set and some are lean and like beanpoles, it is just difficult to find manufacturers whose ranges constantly gel together (IMO). There is of course a caveat to this, AB miniatures for example are glorious figures - but I hope you have finished paying off your mortgage. ;)
- 10mm produces the larger figure units, most probably you liked 6mm because you could produce a block of figures that actually looked like a unit, something that diminishes with increased size. Well 10mm is the inbetween, you can ratio the number of figures so that they actually look more like massed units far more than 15mm does (and of course far better than 28mm does).
- Affordability. This to many is not a good reason to choose a scale, but I personally think it is one of the most important and especially if you plan to cover several periods and a wide range of forces within those periods. Here 10mm Pendraken by far exceeds the lower end of the 15mm priced ranges in quality.
- Growing ranges. Pendraken 10mm is expanding its ranges, what is more is that they seem to be following a policy of resculpting old ranges.
- Of course if you are wargaming then table size for battles also comes in to play, 10mm requires a smaller table size than a corresponding 15mm battle does.
Just a few thoughts that led me to Pendraken at the beginning of this year, and I have not been disappointed at all.
Of course we all look on things differently and none of us are either right or wrong in our own preferences compared to other peoples, but I like the detail of Pendraken, the community on here is superb (now watch everyone take the fun out of me for saying that :-[ ), and of course the service provided is second to none IMO (now I will really get ribbed :) ).
10mm with 15mm base sizes, more figures per, looks cracking AND you can really go heavy on "diorama" unit bases if you want so there's real character that is often lacking with bigger scales where you're cramming too many too large figures on the base to leave room to make them looking anything interesting ;)
Also, 10mm works nicely for skirmish giving a nice figure to ground scale but being big enough to make out who is who...
Well said Fig.ht, all very good points
Having recently stepped up from 6mm I can endorse all of the above
The detail on the figures is stunning and a joy to paint :) Have a look at the painting competition threads http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/board,86.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/board,86.0.html) if you haven't already to see what can be done
The service from Pendraken is truely fanasitic which is particularly important for me as I am ordering from NZ
If you speak nicely to the kind Mr Leon part packs or odd combinations (e.g. Guns from one range with crews from another) are easily arranged
Start with ECW anyway. Everyone knows that the Napoleonic era has been quarried out.
You simply cannot beat Pendraken customer service and I mean with any company ; not just wargaming ones.
They are exceptional!
Quote from: cudders on 27 March 2015, 11:01:59 PM
So I'll be heading to the Sheffield Triples show with cash in hand and make my final choice there. :-\
My chosen periods are WOTR, ECW and Naps. The only thing missing on Pendraken is the limited Naps range. I could of course start with the other periods and wait for the Naps to expand.
Naturally, I'll push you in the direction of 10mm... As others have said above, the Naps are expanding this year, with the Brits and Prussians in the near future, plus more French and some Dutch-Belgians as well. It's always going to be a long-term project, but we're putting a lot of resources into it.
We've also got extensive WOTR and ECW ranges, the latter has had some recent revamps to the cavalry, plus some additional codes of foot and generals. I've also got some casualty markers here to be released in the next few weeks.
If you'd like any samples sending out, just drop me an email, and we'll hopefully see you at Triples for a chat.
8)
Quote from: Fig.ht on 27 March 2015, 11:41:59 PM
...and of course the service provided is second to none IMO.
Quote from: paulr on 27 March 2015, 11:53:56 PM
The service from Pendraken is truely fantastic which is particularly important for me as I am ordering from NZ.
Quote from: getagrip on 28 March 2015, 12:01:28 AM
You simply cannot beat Pendraken customer service and I mean with any company ; not just wargaming ones.
They are exceptional!
:-[ :-[
... I'll get the
bribes figures in the post to all of you... :D
I had to make the same decision some years ago due to general space and financial constraints...10 or 15mm?
I went for 10mm and Pendraken is the 'one stop shop' for 10mm figures.
Nuff said!
Horses for courses, depends entirely what your doing, 10mm is not neccessarily the cheaper option, currently I'm painting for DBN (DBA with Nappys) so its all on 40 x 20 bases (for infantry) now in 10mm I'd be shoving 8 or 10 figures on a base in 15mm its 4. 30 Infantry from Pendraken is gonna cost me £4.50 and will fill 3 bases, 12 infantry from Warrior is gonna cost me £2.50 and fill 3 bases. Given the state of my eyesight and a not too steady hand its much quicker for me to paint 4 15mm than to paint 10 10mm (to the same crappy standard). So you pays your money and makes your choice, depends also on the ruleset that your using for DBN I dont require all the bells and whistles of cassoins and limbers, etc, as long as I've got all the major stuff of Guard Infantry/Ordinary Infantry/Militia Infantry/Heavy Cavalry/Light Cavalry/Guns then I'm golden.
That said the new ranges in Pendraken would shame some 28mm manufacturers, some of the old ones not so much, if your used to painting 6s then these will be a dream to paint, as with all minis I'd advise a sample pack of whatever is tickling your fancy 1st before diving in head first and buying a couple of thousand.
In the dim mists of time, the spirit of the Dark Lord moved me, and I awoke. He did not lead me straight to him, but bade me cast around to see the state of the world. I did so, and long time sat in thought. I determined to start again, to wash away all that had gone before and stand unshackled by the past. I made myself a set of guidelines. Firstly, I would use one scale for all periods. Secondly, I would try and satisfy all my needs from one source. Thirdly, that source would be either one I could shop buy or be a quick turnaround. Fourthly, there shouldn't be too much wastage - buy a box of 20mm plastics WWII and you'll find far too many MGs and SMGs.
Then I made a list of the armies I wanted. They stretched from the Trojan Wars to SF. (I don't use commercial rule sets, so am not shackled by base or unit sizes.) I wanted all my pre 1900 armies to be uniform in pose - being heavily influenced by Charles Grant's Hilton Hunt figures.
To scale. I discarded 25mm immediately. The only thing I've ever used 25mm for to my absolute satisfaction is a Wild West skirmish. Micro was too small. My eyes aren't what they used to be and the thought of painting 6mm kilts had me lying in a darkened room for two days. 20mm was my first love, and like all first loves, will retain a place in my heart, but I was looking to the big battalions, and the manufacturers I looked at had too many poses in their pre-1900 ranges, besides, a Panther and a Firefy need some room to manoeuver. 15mm was the choice of my middling years. I had amassed a huge number and range of Peter Laing figures, but these now looked crude compared to more recent sculpts. There are some lovely 15mm figures out there, some fine manufacturers. I was greatly tempted.
Then there was 10mm. I'd never gamed in 10mm before, never bought any 10mm figures, so I set about a sampling exercise. I looked around at 10mm manufacturers and settled on three to sample: Magister Militum, Pithead (for my massive WWII fetish) and Pendraken. I bought a Churchill tank and some WWII infantry from each manufacturer on the same day.
When they arrived I was blown away by the look and feel. The quality of all three offerings were amazing. 15mm immediately went away as an option. 10mm was going to be the scale for me.
Of the three manufacturers, I decided upon Pendraken as my main (and hopefully only) supplier. This was a decision based upon price, service and because the Pendraken Churchill looked the best. It was blocky, stocky and menacing. The Pithead Churchill was equally brutish, but (as a personal opinion) the Magister Militum Churchill seemed a little too elegant.
That was the day that the Dark Lord claimed my soul, and has brought peace and contentment to it. He led me to the one true scale, and with my eyes brimming with tears (the bone works in Widnes was being particularly pungent that day) he whispered in my ear that there were additional benefits. 10mm fits neatly with railway N gauge, and 1:144 aircraft.
Praise to the Dark Lord for his wisdom.
I bought in because of the extensive FPW range.
Then Leon suggested the forum (when it was new).
After that, it has been 'ohh shiny' since!
Quote from: fsn on 28 March 2015, 09:26:53 AM
Of the three manufacturers, I decided upon Pendraken as my main (and hopefully only) supplier. This was a decision based upon price, service and because the Pendraken Churchill looked the best. It was blocky, stocky and menacing. The Pithead Churchill was equally brutish, but (as a personal opinion) the Magister Militum Churchill seemed a little too elegant.
And that Pendraken didnt ban him from the forum after his first couple of posts
Quote from: Fenton on 28 March 2015, 09:36:06 AM
And that Pendraken didnt ban him from the forum after his first couple of posts
There is that. :-[
I am in 10mm, and I only could recommend it.
If it good for me, I wish it for you.
Quote from: jchaos79 on 28 March 2015, 09:47:41 AM
I am in 10mm, and I only could recommend it.
If it good for me, I wish it for you.
Perfectly put! :)
Just stepped down from 15mm to 10mm (started considering it about 6 months ago and jumped about a month ago)
Have to say pleased with the decision
More metal for your money, the pendraken sculpts are as good as any 15mm I've seen and probably most importantly my hobby is now taking up a lot less room which is popular with Mrs V (at least until she realised smaller means more ;D )
If you go ECW, the pendraken range is good and the To Defy a King rules seem interesting.
And as everyone has said you are hardly likely to get a balanced opinion here :D
Hi, Cudders. I assume you are not thinking in terms of skirmish 1:1 wargaming when I make the following comment.
In addition to the above experience and advice, another factor to consider is what your will your plans be for your 6mm buildings & terrain. I switched from 6mm many years ago. I now have 10mm and 15mm (if Pendraken's Napoleonic and new ACW ranges had been released earlier, I may have been wholly in 10mm).
Loads of gamers are now using lower scale or 'shrunken footprint' buildings for their minis because of the ground scale issues associated with the representation of built-up areas alongside war-games units. I still have my 6mm terrain and these work well with my 10mm but, for my tastes, not so well with the 15mm. The result is that I now have both 6mm and 15mm buildings but, ideally, I would like to have one scale, 10mm of course, because I know they will work well with both my 10 and 15mm.
If you choose 10mm, you will end up painting more minis (but in slightly less detail) than you would in 15mm. But you will have the mass effect you liked in 6mm more quickly and cheaply than in 15mm and, if you keep your 6mm buildings (at least in the short term), you won't have to waste time, money and effort re-equiping with larger scale buildings and terrain.
Hi all,
Your all clearly mad!
Yes I am used to painting 6mm or rather Adlers. I guess 10mm will be a little easier as the eyes are definately not as good as they once were!
Here's a couple of units I did quite a few years ago.
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/cudders68/Russ%20Cuir.jpg) (http://s223.photobucket.com/user/cudders68/media/Russ%20Cuir.jpg.html)
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/cudders68/Russ%20Drag.jpg) (http://s223.photobucket.com/user/cudders68/media/Russ%20Drag.jpg.html)
Look forward to meeting the Pendraken gods at Triples!
Cudders
Very nice.
I would definitely go for 15mm - they're bigger, so have much more detail to paint on; they're bigger so you can spend much more time painting them; they're bigger so you will need more paint, which means you can spend much more money on paint more often; they're bigger so you can spend much more time painting and a lot less wasted time playing with the damn things.
They're lovely Cudders :-bd
Very tasty! You should do great justice to 10mm with that quality of painting :)
Very nice paint job, Cudders. On that evidence you will have no trouble making the transition. I would love to be able to paint my own 10 and 15mm so well. :-bd
Adler are nice wee figures but the fatal flaw for me is the "Mighty Mouse" look - whilst the soldiers' body sculpts are very good (but more 8mm than 6mm?), the heads are more 15mm than 6mm.* You'll definitely get a better overall sculpt with the likes of Pendraken.
* yet, curiously, the horses heads are more in proportion to their bodies - weird!
Quote from: Fig.ht on 27 March 2015, 11:41:59 PM
Pendraken is expanding their Napoleonics range, a quick couple of links here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10941.0.html
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11762.0.html
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9483.0.html
The reason I would go for 10mm over 15mm is as follows.
- With 15mm you have to keep diving in and out of different manufacturers, this may sound OK but you can end up with with figures ranging from 12mm - 18mm, some are stocky and thick set and some are lean and like beanpoles, it is just difficult to find manufacturers whose ranges constantly gel together (IMO). There is of course a caveat to this, AB miniatures for example are glorious figures - but I hope you have finished paying off your mortgage. ;)
- 10mm produces the larger figure units, most probably you liked 6mm because you could produce a block of figures that actually looked like a unit, something that diminishes with increased size. Well 10mm is the inbetween, you can ratio the number of figures so that they actually look more like massed units far more than 15mm does (and of course far better than 28mm does).
- Affordability. This to many is not a good reason to choose a scale, but I personally think it is one of the most important and especially if you plan to cover several periods and a wide range of forces within those periods. Here 10mm Pendraken by far exceeds the lower end of the 15mm priced ranges in quality.
- Growing ranges. Pendraken 10mm is expanding its ranges, what is more is that they seem to be following a policy of resculpting old ranges.
- Of course if you are wargaming then table size for battles also comes in to play, 10mm requires a smaller table size than a corresponding 15mm battle does.
Just a few thoughts that led me to Pendraken at the beginning of this year, and I have not been disappointed at all.
Of course we all look on things differently and none of us are either right or wrong in our own preferences compared to other peoples, but I like the detail of Pendraken, the community on here is superb (now watch everyone take the fun out of me for saying that :-[ ), and of course the service provided is second to none IMO (now I will really get ribbed :) ).
Wow those Naps do look good!
I'm am leaning towards 10mm for sure.
Cudders
Thanks for the kind words guys.
It was quite sometime ago I painted those. Had my eyes lazered over 15 years back but they have started to move now so hence the need to upscale for painting etc.
Cudders.
Although it could be cheaper to go 10mm instead of 15mm i doubt it will be. The tendency is to use more figures on the base. This, in my opinion is the best bit. The mass effect of a 6mm army but with the opportunity to put a relatively detailed paint job on. I also have a large collection of Adler Naps (which I like) and if Pendraken had a Nap range when I started i probably would have a 10mm Nap collection now instead (still might...damn you).
As far as where to get these 10mm figures, without wanting to sound like too much of a fanboy, you can't go wrong with the Pendraken ranges (if that doesn't move the LoA Dragoons to the top of the list i don't know what will..:) )
Surely you jest, Sir?
In any case, do it. You've seen all the reasons, now come on over, welcome home!
If Pendraken doesn't have it, you don't need it! Except for Nap Brits and Prussians, and Modern stuff, but it's all on the way ;)
V/R,
Jack
And Aztecs. And ancient Chinese. Also Tang, Sung, and Ming Chinese. And early ancients. And a lot of other ancients. And Byzantines. Moghuls. Cossacks. Muscovites. Incas. In fact, there's rather a lot Pendraken doesn't have, and I say this with greatest enthusiasm for much good stuff which they do.
Hi
You mean there are actually other scales than 10mm .
Why ?.
Jim
I've mailed Leon who has kindly offered to send me some samples.
Looking forward to having a look. :)
Cudders
Cudders - What did we say about Pendraken customer service. :)
Yep! ;)
Oh no, one word post...am I banned, am I banned?
yes
ack
buggar
Quote from: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 06:29:41 PM
Oh no, one word post...am I banned, am I banned?
Yep.
Oh no, me, too?Is that a record? 3 replies within 33 seconds (not mine, I may add), 2 of which were within a minute of Grip's post!
No!
Damn!
Coat?
On ;)
Techno!
... again ...#-o
I am sure Matron will be along soon with her cod liver oil surprise
I'm guessing as you posted on a 10mm forum you were expecting, nay, asking for pro-10mm point of view. I hope the fact it was THIS forum hasn't put you off (I'm the normal one round here).
The main argument in 10 v 15 seems to be mass v detail.
Not sure what the footprint of 15mm is, but I can confidently tell you you can achieve the following in 10mm (files/width x ranks/depth)
on 20x20mm base - 3 x 2 (WSS)
on 30 x 30mm base 4 x 3 or 4 (stance dependant) (ECW, ACW but not as tight depth wise)
on 40 x 20mm base 6 x 2 (Warmaster)
I also know that the ECW muskets have apostles on them!
After a bit of googling and binging I found a guy who mounts 3 x 2 ECW on a 30mm base.
Peter Pig are 8 x 15mm for £3 = 37.5 p each. £1.50 for a 4 figure base, £2.25 for 6 figures
Pendraken are 30 for £4.50 - 15 p each - £1.80 for a 12 figure base., £1.35 if you do 9 3x3 (which are easier to base - my 4 wides just fit, sort of)
So from price wise what you gain per figure you can lose on the 'mass' effect. (except skirmish games of course)
Your choice basically comes down to visual effect (do you want pike blocks of 18-24 figures) vs extra painting (dependant on painting speeds).
Also the expensive '1 offs' such as carriages, or even artillery, are cheaper because you buy the same amount what ever the scale.
Quote from: Fenton on 29 March 2015, 06:56:48 PM
I am sure Matron will be along soon with her cod liver oil surprise
And this is administered orally, right?
Quote from: getagrip on 29 March 2015, 07:03:51 PM
And this is administered orally, right?
For you, yes. You get the spoon after FSN has finished with it, and his is a suppository.
Quote from: Last Hussar on 29 March 2015, 07:05:33 PM
For you, yes. You get the spoon after FSN has finished with it, and his is a suppository.
Thought you were the normal one? :D :D :D
Oh and... :-&
Actually, tastes of Bailey's :D
Quote from: Last Hussar on 29 March 2015, 07:03:35 PM
(I'm the normal one round here).
Is that 'normal' as in 'like the majority' meaning you are as bonkers as the rest of us! ;D
Quote from: Fig.ht on 29 March 2015, 07:11:03 PM
Is that 'normal' as in 'like the majority' meaning you are as bonkers as the rest of us! ;D
Several grades:
1) "Normal" bonkers (sort of Ithoriel level);
2) "More than normal" bonkers (Fenton territory);
3) "Really" bonkers (probably got to throw my and Westmarcher's hat in the ring);
4) Nobby!
:D
'Normal' = 'Majority' - my counter to that is compare this to Nazi Germany.
Also I maintain that I am normal. the fact that 95% of the population is abnormal is their fault not mine.
I am going to remain aloof from this thread. I am not "bonkers", I am "differently synapsed".
Quote from: fsn on 29 March 2015, 07:27:59 PM
I am "differently synapsed".
AKA bonkers grade 4 :D
I wonder if Leon, Dave, and the others at Pendraken can be regarded as the medics looking after the inflicted, or indeed is it a case that they are more bonkers (or 'differently synapsed') than us lot and have taken over the asylum? :-\
As far as medics are concerned (are they? are they really?), I would like to point out that I am undercover.
.... damn .... I've blown my cover ..... but will they notice?
Quote from: Westmarcher on 29 March 2015, 07:46:56 PM
As far as medics are concerned (are they? are they really?), I would like to point out that I am undercover.
.... damn .... I've blown my cover ..... but will they notice?
I thought you were 'under the covers', part of the particular psychosis induced by lead poisoning whereby you think the world is out to get you, just as it is me! :(
Quote from: Fig.ht on 29 March 2015, 07:38:47 PM
I wonder if Leon, Dave, and the others at Pendraken can be regarded as the medics looking after the inflicted
No, they are dealers! Pure and simple :D
But can we get figures on prescription? I'll have 10 bags for £8.05, the NHS will pay the rest.
Quote from: Last Hussar on 29 March 2015, 08:08:49 PM
But can we get figures on prescription? I'll have 10 bags for £8.05, the NHS will pay the rest.
That's not N.I.C.E. :D
Looks like if I go for 10mm I will become very strange indeed! ;D
Now where's that rubber chicken?
Cudders
There's a point. Does 10mm affect your reasoning, or does perverse reasoning lead you to 10mm?
:-\
I stand for many of the members of this forum when I say "blibble blibble, blarg, pthow." We may all have various refreshments short of the proverbial picnic, but at least we're happy. Differently happy in some cases, but we're not as bad as say the UKIP Conference, (other parties may apply - insert your own preference) or those that watch X-Factor.
Come join us and dance to the scent of our obsessions.
Quote from: fsn on 29 March 2015, 08:29:06 PM
"blibble blibble, blarg, pthow."
Sorry, slight tangent (who us?). Before I forget (again).
Good luck with the Training Manager job, Nobby. :-bd
Normality is how quickly we can go off topic!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 29 March 2015, 10:58:50 PM
Normality is how quickly we can go off topic!
Anyone see the cricket?
Did you become a real boy then?
Thread derailed, by Jiminy! ;)
Stop telling lies >:(
Lies? I have a nose for that sort of thing ;)
Always strings attached with you!
Just had a proper look at those 1809 Naps. They do look really nice!
Also many will do from 1809 onwards so I could do quite a lot now. :-\
The proof is in the painting so once I get the samples..ooh I'm getting a bit excited now. =P~
Cudders
Quote from: cudders on 04 April 2015, 08:50:24 PM
Just had a proper look at those 1809 Naps. They do look really nice!
Also many will do from 1809 onwards so I could do quite a lot now. :-\
The proof is in the painting so once I get the samples..ooh I'm getting a bit excited now. =P~
Cudders
That's it Cudders, your part of the Pendraken BORG now! :D
Is the assimilation complete?
Quote from: cudders on 04 April 2015, 08:50:24 PM
Just had a proper look at those 1809 Naps. They do look really nice!
Also many will do from 1809 onwards so I could do quite a lot now. :-\
The proof is in the painting so once I get the samples..ooh I'm getting a bit excited now. =P~
Cudders
Have you seen this thread http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5128.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5128.0.html) and the associated blog?
It will either inspire you or intimidate you, or probably both. Absolutely worth a read if you are doing 1809 ;)
A package arrived today with some ECW and WOR samples.
Firstly thanks Leon!
Secondly, what lovely sculpts they are!
I did intend to paint them but checking out my paint stash confirmed how long it is since I've painted anything! Most solid except for the Model Colour bottles.
So triples it is with a wedge of cash for paints and some more Pendraken goodies!
I am now a 10mm convert. :-bd
Cudders
Quote from: cudders on 07 April 2015, 05:46:40 PM
A package arrived today with some ECW and WOR samples.
Firstly thanks Leon!
Secondly, what lovely sculpts they are!
I did intend to paint them but checking out my paint stash confirmed how long it is since I've painted anything! Most solid except for the Model Colour bottles.
So triples it is with a wedge of cash for paints and some more Pendraken goodies!
I am now a 10mm convert. :-bd
Excellent, good to hear the package arrived safely and glad you like them! We can certainly sort those paints out at Triples, and give me a shout if you'd like anything in particular bringing along to the show.
8)
Quote from: cudders on 07 April 2015, 05:46:40 PM
A package arrived today with some ECW and WOR samples.
Firstly thanks Leon!
Secondly, what lovely sculpts they are!
I did intend to paint them but checking out my paint stash confirmed how long it is since I've painted anything! Most solid except for the Model Colour bottles.
So triples it is with a wedge of cash for paints and some more Pendraken goodies!
I am now a 10mm convert. :-bd
Cudders
A fully converted amalgamtion into the Pendragon BORG. :D
If I still had a mind of my own I would say 'I know how you feel' but as now we all have but a single thought you already know that! ;D
Welcome to the Dark Side! ;D
As owner of several Flames of War armies (WWII) at 15mm scale, my preference for WWII will naturally be 15mm to go with my collection and the ruleset. There's also a gigantic selection of 15mm choices for WWII as well.
That said, for my napoleonics, hands down 10mm. I've tried 6mm and 28mm - and 15mm for Naps I've stayed away from.
Economics has a bit to do with the hobby, you see for FoW and WWII, 5-8 EUR can get you a working unit, whether its a tank or an infantry platoon. At 30-40 EUR you can get one of those infantry company box sets that will give you a force that you can actually start gaming with (iirc, the SS Panzergrenadier company box set is worth about 1000pts).
For Naps though... yes, depends on the ruleset, but at 15-18mm, 40 EUR will get you a brigade (according to the N@W store). I dont really think Naps should be played at Brigade level, personally. While with WWII you can get away with playing a battlegroup, a company or even at squad level, for Naps that just feels... wierd, to me anyways. Which is why my naps are being built to be played at Division or Corps level (Lasalle, Blucher).
Imagine playing a division level game with 40 EUR per brigade! Ouch! So economics wise, 6mm and 10mm offer far more reasonable prices. Besides, from what I can see, Nap miniatures dont really come in 15mm, but in 18mm.
Sculpt wise, its true that 18mm sculpts are beautiful, and thats where 6mm begin to take a hit. I think Adler is the way to go if you go 6mm, but fragility is a huge thing with 6mm. They bend and break so easily.
Also detail comparison between some 6mm and 10...
http://battlegoatsandtrumpets.blogspot.fr/2014/04/the-future-of-my-nappies.html
http://battlegoatsandtrumpets.blogspot.fr/2015/04/austrian-reinforcements.html
Can't argue that 10mm has by far the better sculpt, especially Pendraken naps. And they aren't fragile either, as you dont get packs of infantry with their bayonets already broken off in the bag.
The detail of Pendraken's 10mm Naps though are just something else. The level of detail just makes it such a joy to paint, that if you're going Napoleonics, 10mm hands down.
Try
http://www.dbnwargaming.co.uk/
or
for economical Napoleonic wargaming in 15mm (or any scale really) knocks those silly FoW prices into a cocked hat.
Thanks for the links guys.
Have played Fast Play GA for a while now so not 100% sure how I'll go with the Naps this time.
Much prefer Brigade bases rather than fiddling about with smaller units.
Cudders
With you on the brigade thing
Yep cant think of a single Napoleonic battle that you can represent using multi stand battalions, unless of course you have a 30 ft x 18 ft table (requires 10 ft long arms of course)
And of course theres the other thing, who really believes that Wellington or Napoleon actually ordered individual battalions to form square/line/column? All a general would know would be where a brigade/battalion was, he wouldnt have a clue as to what poncy formation dance they were performing. So the question is are you a general or a colonel?
Bang on Gordon ;)
Cudders
Quote from: cudders on 10 April 2015, 01:25:54 PM
Bang on Gordon
Sounds as if two fleas on Charlton Heston are having it off!
;D ;D =O
One of the few movies I actually liked him in.
A big advantage in my opinion of 10mm Pendraken over Adler 6mm is that the Pendraken figures are much more durable. I am clumsy and drop figures and bases all the time both playing and painting the Adler figures tend to break constantly especially the bayonets the Pendraken never do. Now if Pendraken can just make some new figures for the French Revolutionary period or some 1806 Prussians!!!
I'd buy 1806 Prussians like a shot!
Quote from: lekw on 10 April 2015, 06:03:36 PM
A big advantage in my opinion of 10mm Pendraken over Adler 6mm is that the Pendraken figures are much more durable. I am clumsy and drop figures and bases all the time both playing and painting the Adler figures tend to break constantly especially the bayonets the Pendraken never do. Now if Pendraken can just make some new figures for the French Revolutionary period or some 1806 Prussians!!!
You should see the "jelly swords" their Gauls are armed with. :(
Quote from: GordonY on 10 April 2015, 04:30:04 PM
One of the few movies I actually liked him in.
What about the moment in
Planet of the Apes where he is clearly struggling not to cry out "Let my people go!"?
C'mon. Charlton Heston has been in some great films:
"Soylent Green" ... Nom, nom, nom.
"Ben Hur" ... now I want Chariot Armies
"El Cid" ... really fine acting in the last few scenes from Charlt. You could really believe he was dead.
"Major Dundee" ... A Sam Peckinpah post-ACW film with Richard Harris co-starring. All you need to know really.
"The Four Musketeers: Milady's Revenge" ... now I want the 3rd season of "the Musketeers"
"The War Lord" ... spooky Norman, which reminds me, I need to get a haircut.
"The Agony and the Ecstasy" ... I always wanted to Pope to look up at the completed Sistine Chapel ceiling and say "no ... I was thinking of Disney characters."
"55 Days at Peking" ... Didn't get the full drift of the story, but I didn't see any pugilists of flat faced dogs at all.
.. and my favourite ....
"The Dream and the Heartache", a little known 1958 suspense film in which Charlt plays an artist who find he cannot work in the big city, and so moves to the sticks. He takes over a dilapidated cottage (and here it gets very "Houseboat" ... but Cary Grant did it better) and somehow collects an odd assortment of people and animals, drawn by his "big city" ways. He finds himself, and begins a very productive period. His works sell but he finds that he cares nothing for the money as he gets more and more drawn into the rural lifestyle. The final third of the film gets a bit creepy as things begin to go wrong. He cuts his hand on a loose piece of glass that shouldn't be there ... an electric drill he is using has an inexplicably bare wire ... he narrowly escapes burning saving his horses from a barn fire ... Is this turn of events sheer bad luck ... or is someone out to get him?
The "Dream and the Heartache" was a critics favourite, but flopped at the box office. It was in fact a remake of a British film "The Techno Story".
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Quote from: GordonY on 10 April 2015, 10:37:02 AM
Yep cant think of a single Napoleonic battle that you can represent using multi stand battalions, unless of course you have a 30 ft x 18 ft table (requires 10 ft long arms of course)
And of course theres the other thing, who really believes that Wellington or Napoleon actually ordered individual battalions to form square/line/column? All a general would know would be where a brigade/battalion was, he wouldnt have a clue as to what poncy formation dance they were performing. So the question is are you a general or a colonel?
Does a General de Division count? :P
It's true, the whole forming squares and etc should be automatic (or rather, done at the battalion level) instead of ordered, whereas the general and give the order to prepare (like in Blucher).
But... 6mm are so fragile!
EDIT: Quote fixed.
Quote from: fsn on 11 April 2015, 06:45:29 AM
.. and my favourite ....
"The Dream and the Heartache", a little known 1958 suspense film in which Charlt plays an artist who find he cannot work in the big city, and so moves to the sticks. He takes over a dilapidated cottage (and here it gets very "Houseboat" ... but Cary Grant did it better) and somehow collects an odd assortment of people and animals, drawn by his "big city" ways. He finds himself, and begins a very productive period. His works sell but he finds that he cares nothing for the money as he gets more and more drawn into the rural lifestyle. The final third of the film gets a bit creepy as things begin to go wrong. He cuts his hand on a loose piece of glass that shouldn't be there ... an electric drill he is using has an inexplicably bare wire ... he narrowly escapes burning saving his horses from a barn fire ... Is this turn of events sheer bad luck ... or is someone out to get him?
The "Dream and the Heartache" was a critics favourite, but flopped at the box office. It was in fact a remake of a British film "The Techno Story".
You
OIK ! :P (I missed this earlier !)
Spooky Norman ?
You sure you're not thinking on "Spiny Norman"
Cheers - Dinsdale. :P
I presume you threw out all your cake stands years ago
Quote from: Fenton on 13 April 2015, 07:08:49 AM
I presume you threw out all your cake stands years ago
Still keep a handful in one of the cupboards.....along with a packet of 3 inch wood screws, just in case anyone
really annoys me. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
I'd buy 1806 Prussians like a shot!
http://myblog-lekw.blogspot.com/
My Adler 1806 Prussians. The castings are very nice but I am constantly gluing the bayonets back on or dealing with figures breaking at the heels and its to the point where I am almost afraid to take them out of the storage box. Would love to do this army with a Pendraken range!!!