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Title: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: cbr3d.com on 06 March 2015, 08:15:57 PM
Well something that is terrifying yet magnificent at the same time.  Remember President Reagan and his much vaunted Star Wars project?  Well the US is already building its first laser armed warships and now it looks like within 3 years the first battlefield lasers will enter service. 

Of course the great thing about the laser weaponary is that it will actually make such weapons like ICBM's obsolete as such, that must be somewhat worrrying for a certain country in Eastern Europe who keeps threatening to use nukes if they don't get their own way.   >:(

Perhaps the Kremlin should have watched more SciFi television in their youth.   ;)
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 06 March 2015, 09:14:52 PM
Battlefield lasers,  really?

I know I'm getting old cos the world is getting scary  :-SS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Steve J on 06 March 2015, 09:58:55 PM
Or just make the ICBMs with a shiny surface and the laser will more or less bounce off. I remember watching a programme years ago on this, and to shoot down a missile or plane, they had to fly in a straight line long enough for the laser to do damage. Things may have progressed since then but I remain to be convinced.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 06 March 2015, 10:07:20 PM
Or, and I know this is totally crazy,  we just stop trying to kill each other  :-\
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 March 2015, 01:58:08 AM
Every Russian or citizen of a then-USSR-dominated country that I've spoken to has remarked that they were convinced in the 80s that an American nuclear attack was being planned. I'm far from sure they were wrong.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 07 March 2015, 07:21:20 AM
Was trying to explain to a bunch of teenagers the other day how real the threat of nuclear war seemed at that time.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: paulr on 07 March 2015, 09:33:47 AM
I work with a guy from the former East Germany. Apparently their troops were really pissed off when they found out NATO troops got 'weekends off' as they were regularly on alert on the weekends.

All sorts of interesting stories like feeding radar data to SAM batteries and watching them track the NATO aircraft on the other side of the border. Their orders were to fire if the border was crossed :-SS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 07 March 2015, 12:40:47 PM
When some of this info is disclosed it might make rather chilling reading :-\
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 March 2015, 04:22:14 PM
Then we did have V-Bombers - fully loaded - doing "ferret" missions at very low level across Finland headed at Leningrad.

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 07 March 2015, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 07 March 2015, 04:22:14 PM
Then we did have V-Bombers - fully loaded - doing "ferret" missions at very low level across Finland headed at Leningrad.

IanS

Ferret missions?
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: toxicpixie on 09 March 2015, 07:51:47 PM
Same thing the yanks did with B-52s - "probe" the Soviet defenses by flying squadrons of nuclear armed bombers at them repeatedly just to see what the Soviets would do when large the numbers of nuclear armed bombers cross your borders heading for your cities and industry.

And we bleat when maritime patrol aircraft get to a couple of hundred miles from our borders...
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 10 March 2015, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: getagrip on 07 March 2015, 04:23:18 PM
Ferret missions?

Chasing rabbits down holes.....

No they looked for Air Defense radar signals so that the defense suite could be upgraded. That of course presupposed the fuses were still working.

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Orcs on 10 March 2015, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: getagrip on 06 March 2015, 10:07:20 PM
Or, and I know this is totally crazy,  we just stop trying to kill each other  :-\

I can honestly say that is a wonderful thought.  Trouble is it does not work as there are two may evil people in the world

Remember "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king"

Or to put a modern slant on it

"In the land of the unarmed the man with a the AK47 is king"

We would be just handing things over to extreemists like IS.  Look where we got with Chamberlains appeasement policy.


Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 10 March 2015, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 10 March 2015, 09:20:48 PM
I can honestly say that is a wonderful thought.  Trouble is it does not work as there are two may evil people in the world

Remember "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king"

Or to put a modern slant on it

"In the land of the unarmed the man with a the AK47 is king"

We would be just handing things over to extreemists like IS.  Look where we got with Chamberlains appeasement policy.




Agreed but I kind of meant everyone  :)

I know it will never happen but... :-<
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Orcs on 10 March 2015, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: getagrip on 10 March 2015, 09:27:44 PM
Agreed but I kind of meant everyone  :)

I know it will never happen but... :-<

We can but hope
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: FierceKitty on 11 March 2015, 01:05:56 AM
Eugenics. We need to breed humans who are more intelligent, less aggressive, more aesthetically responsive, and able to have half-hour orgasms, and who grow a new set of teeth at 45.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Steeleye on 11 March 2015, 07:16:57 AM
An awful lot of 'bollocks' is talked about the Cold War...beware a lot of it is myth and misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 11 March 2015, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 11 March 2015, 01:05:56 AM
Eugenics. We need to breed humans who are more intelligent, less aggressive, more aesthetically responsive, and able to have half-hour orgasms, and who grow a new set of teeth at 45.

I'm inherently suspicious of ANYTHING labelled eugenics. :-\
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Ithoriel on 11 March 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Star Wars Kit :) (http://i.imgur.com/IomGkRU.gifv)
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 11 March 2015, 10:17:17 PM
Stay on target...
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 March 2015, 01:16:14 AM
Quote from: getagrip on 11 March 2015, 04:57:10 PM
I'm inherently suspicious of ANYTHING labelled eugenics. :-\

So am I. Just as security is a flashing red light of a word in any government department. It remains necessary.

In fact, the way we distrust our fellow-humans in connexion with eugenics is an indicator of how necessary eugenics are. Wouldn't trustworthy people be fun?
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Hertsblue on 12 March 2015, 10:58:53 AM
Humanity has practised eugenics on animals for centuries. Horses, dogs and cats, to name but a few, have all been tailored for specific purposes over the years. The result - inbreeding and mental and physical instability. And just who decides who reproduces and who doesn't?  :-\
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 March 2015, 11:14:20 AM
And no good results? We'd be starving to death without selective breeding.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 12 March 2015, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 12 March 2015, 10:58:53 AM
And just who decides who reproduces and who doesn't?  :-\

THAT is the most salient point; who decides.  Start down that road and...well we saw what happened in 1939.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: FierceKitty on 14 March 2015, 12:46:27 PM
Leaving it to chance, however, gave us Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot and me. I'm not sure that having a lot of nasty people claim that they want to improve the world is an argument that the world shouldn't be improved.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 14 March 2015, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 14 March 2015, 12:46:27 PM
Leaving it to chance, however, gave us Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot and me. I'm not sure that having a lot of nasty people claim that they want to improve the world is an argument that the world shouldn't be improved.

Doesn't really address the point though; who decides?
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Ithoriel on 14 March 2015, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: getagrip on 14 March 2015, 01:03:54 PM
Doesn't really address the point though; who decides?

History suggests Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot ... I'll take my chances with random mutation thank you very much!
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 14 March 2015, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 14 March 2015, 02:17:22 PM
History suggests Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot ... I'll take my chances with random mutation thank you very much!

Agreed ;)
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Steeleye on 15 March 2015, 09:30:06 AM
Does no one remember what happened in 'The Wrath of Khan'?

The tubby, balding, womanizing Star Ship Captain and his mismatched crew beat the Super Human!

As long as we have people like Kirk I think the galaxy is safe.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 March 2015, 09:37:25 AM
Quote from: Steeleye on 15 March 2015, 09:30:06 AM
Does no one remember what happened in 'The Wrath of Khan'?

The tubby, balding, womanizing Star Ship Captain and his mismatched crew beat the Super Human!

As long as we have people like Kirk I think the galaxy is safe.

Hate to shatter your illusions - but Kirk is fictional.

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 15 March 2015, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 15 March 2015, 09:37:25 AM
Hate to shatter your illusions - but Kirk is fictional.

IanS

Yeah, right!

You'll be telling me teleporters aren't real too >:(
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 March 2015, 12:05:42 PM
No they aint...

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 15 March 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 15 March 2015, 12:05:42 PM
No they aint...

IanS

:o

They are!  Ask FSN :P
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 01:51:40 PM
If teleported are real then how do Warbases get stuff to me so quickly?!
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: fsn on 15 March 2015, 03:36:10 PM
I replaced my stairs with a teleport system some while ago.

The advantages are obvious, I can be upstairs in no time at all. This means that by the time I get upstairs I still remember what I went there for.

The downsides are appreciable. Every time I go upstairs all of Runcorn experiences a brown out. There is also a small but accumulating amount of neural disruption.

... and the electricity bill is huge.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 15 March 2015, 03:38:58 PM
See, told you Ian :P
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 March 2015, 04:09:35 PM
Just cause you lot believe in them dont make em real.....

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 15 March 2015, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 15 March 2015, 04:09:35 PM
Just cause you lot believe in them dont make em real.....

IanS

Does, ask FSN :D
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 06:04:34 PM
Is FSN real?! I thought he was a myth, like the centurion bridge layer in 10mmm

Or if you say "Centurion" five times whilst looking in the mirror he appears...
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: getagrip on 15 March 2015, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 06:04:34 PM
Is FSN real?! I thought he was a myth, like the centurion bridge layer in 10mmm

Or if you say "Centurion" five times whilst looking in the mirror he appears...

He's Westmarcher's alter ego  :D
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Hertsblue on 15 March 2015, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 06:04:34 PM
Is FSN real?! I thought he was a myth, like the centurion bridge layer in 10mmm

Or if you say "Centurion" five times whilst looking in the mirror he appears...

There's no point looking in the mirror - he has no reflection.  ;)
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 08:15:01 PM
If there's a Centurion outside your house he could be watching you *right now*!
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 March 2015, 09:21:34 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 08:15:01 PM
If there's a Centurion outside your house he could be watching you *right now*!

Now if I lived in Central Chester ..........

I'd be very nervous.

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Hertsblue on 16 March 2015, 09:26:50 AM
It's probably just a hologram anyway.
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 March 2015, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 16 March 2015, 09:26:50 AM
It's probably just a hologram anyway.

No there definitely legionnaires and centurions wondering around central Chester at all times of the year.

IanS
Title: Re: Remember the 'Star Wars project' of the '80's? Lasers! Lock and load.
Post by: Hertsblue on 16 March 2015, 10:22:22 AM
Ghosties and ghoulies and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the night....