http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31759555 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31759555)
Islamic State (IS) militants have begun bulldozing the ruins of the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud, Iraqi government officials say.
Very sad news.
Seem to remember something similar happening in Afghanistan a few years ago......A couple of giant statues of Buddha ?
Cheers - Phil
I was reading online yesterday that there are about 5 million sites in the area at risk at present
Of course its only the big bits there destroying. All the smaller items are being smuggled out and sold on the antiquities black market
The trouble is these idiots want to impose their own cockeyed notions on the rest of the world. I fear that they will eventually have to be stopped by force.
To quote Fox News: "Bomb them, bomb them and then bomb them!" And while we're at it get their effing supporters out of this country.
A blow to the heart and to civilisation carried out by ignorant psychopaths and former petty criminals. Equally sad is that most of the world is indifferent to this and won't miss its absence. :(
must be good for the US airforce, RAF etc to bomb these guys with a clear conscience. They're not bombing some conscript army or some poor blokes dragged to the front. They're safe in the knowledge they're bombing some complete evil, murdering bastards. I'd gladly pay more taxes to bomb these f**kers.
Succinctly put Matt. :-bd
On the up side, these religious fanatics do more in a month for the atheist cause than Richard Dawkins could in five years.
Matt - "They're not bombing some conscript army or some poor blokes dragged to the front."
In many cases ISIS fighters are in fact just that. Their discipline methods include killing and ****** the friends and family of "volunteers" if the said "volunteers" don't go sacrifice themselves.
ISIS/Daeush/IS/whatever is not the Knights Templar - it's a grimly welded together coalition of many fractious and opposing groups. Sadly airstrikes against frontline troops are likely to hit the least committed "fighters".
Just like placing your good old unreliable ally command out the front where the other player has to fight it in DBM :(
But yeah, their wanton destruction of the past is something makes me angry, and very sad :(
QuoteIn many cases ISIS fighters are in fact just that. Their discipline methods include killing and ****** the friends and family of "volunteers" if the said "volunteers" don't go sacrifice themselves.
I have no doubt this occurs but they don't seem to be short of willing volunteers from all over the world.
Another up-note: a Pakistani colleague tells me there's widespread condemnation of that vandalising of statues of the Buddha in her home country, and moves are afoot to reassemble them. Let's hope.
Sad; very, very sad.
That's all. :(
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 06 March 2015, 11:29:17 AM
I have no doubt this occurs but they don't seem to be short of willing volunteers from all over the world.
Despite the tabloid hype, their armed units are mostly other groups that they've eaten and effectively impressed into service, around a core of again mostly locals. The celebrity jihadi's make good air time though.
That said, of the 15k or so "foreign" fighters about half are from Saudi. Quelle surprise.
As an archaeologist I am flaming well mad at the utter stupidity and ignorance of these idiots who seeem to think that anything from the past is such a threat to them.
My thoughts as a man are not even printable on here (and I know this is a fairly liberal site), safe to say that I do not think either talk or diplomacy against murdering b******s is the answer. If a mad dog is attacking people it will be destroyed, and I think a mad dog has more rights than IS members and supporters.
(Censored)
Religion poison's everything.
For Allah these barbarians are butchering people, beheading 11 year olds on video, murdering, and ravaging the populations they capture.
So why is the smashing of ancient sites, art, and statues so terrible?
Because of this...
"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past."
― George Orwell, 1984
IS controls the present in an area.
They destroy the evidence of the past, on order to control the future.
No city ever falls to the barbarians unless someone holds open the gates for them. The apologists, and religious 'moderates' (in all faiths) are the ones holding open the gates to these savages.
Salman Rushdie's death is suborned by the Ayatollahs...the Archbishop of Canterbury condemns Rushdie for blasphemy.
Denmark, its embassies, and its people are attacked by Muslims everywhere because a cartoonist draws a picture. The Archbishop of Canterbury condemns the cartoonist for blasphemy.
The employees of Charlie Ebdo are murdered for publishing satire and cartoons. The Archbishop of Canterbury condemns the cartoonists for blasphemy.
Muslims murder and spread hate, and the 'moderates' say those ones aren't Muslim.
Christians murder and spread hate, and the 'moderates' say those ones aren't Christian.
Bad ideas, religious, political, or otherwise cause this hatred and brutality.
Enough is enough.
We need more good ideas, and more people uinwilling to hold and act on bad ideas.
Let's start with the Golden Rule.
Islam is a murdering violent ideology, Christianity isn't...
(No matter what the usual moral-equivalent lefties try to assume)
QED
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 06 March 2015, 01:58:14 PM
Islam is a murdering violent ideology, Christianity isn't...
(No matter what the usual moral-equivalent lefties try to assume)
QED
So no one ever said kill them and let god sort it out. Religion is a complete con, of what ever type. Christianity, Islam and Judaism use the same base text, and add their own fictions to it.
IanS
As KM said, "Religion is the opiate of the nobheads." Well, he would have done if he'd been a scouser.
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 06 March 2015, 01:58:14 PM
Islam is a murdering violent ideology, Christianity isn't...
(No matter what the usual moral-equivalent lefties try to assume)
QED
The last 2000 years give the lie to that.
Mind, they give the lie to that for every "religion". Even Buddhism is pretty grim. The actions the Tibetans took under the Dalai Llamas rule were nasty. Can't spill blood? Tie people in leather sacks and beat them to death!
Religion is a human invention designed for social control. The problem is that a great many people are happy to be subjected to that sort of control. It gives them a secure feeling of belonging to the group that is self evidently "right." One group of people I was a bit suspicious of as a youngster and now have absolutely no time for is missionaries. Wish they'd all been boiled and eaten.
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 06 March 2015, 01:58:14 PM
Islam is a murdering violent ideology, Christianity isn't...
(No matter what the usual moral-equivalent lefties try to assume)
QED
Erm...Crusades, Catholic priests, several British occupations...and so on.
Religion is fine, nutters are nutters!
The evil will always find an ideology to justify their actions.
Can we just make sure that this doesn't go too far downhill, chaps !
Politics and religion just seem like sure ways to stoke up a bit of bad feeling.
Cheers - Phil.
and its Friday :D
Quote from: Techno on 06 March 2015, 03:12:51 PM
Can we just make sure that this doesn't go too far downhill, chaps !
Politics and religion just seem like sure ways to stoke up a bit of bad feeling.
Cheers - Phil.
Hear! Hear!
I think we are all saying the same thing regardless of our own political or religeous beliefs we have no time for those that seem to delight in causing pain and misery on others for any reason.
Amen to that ;)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 06 March 2015, 11:29:48 AM
Another up-note: a Pakistani colleague tells me there's widespread condemnation of that vandalising of statues of the Buddha in her home country, and moves are afoot to reassemble them. Let's hope.
Yet these positive stories usually fail to make the western press as it does not fit with their stereotyping and scaremongering agenda.
cheers
Ian
Quote from: Sandinista on 06 March 2015, 05:27:33 PM
Yet these positive stories usually fail to make the western press as it does not fit with their stereotyping and scaremongering agenda.
cheers
Ian
Yep! That's all; yep!
Every war needs religious screen to fuel mindless cannon foddler followers and hide economics reasons who unleash the strugles, imho. Despite that, is horrible to say so many precious, delicate and important humanity treasures destroyed for religious propaganda. All fanatics must die!
Please, excuse me about my poor english, but I would to say my opinion.
IS hold up their brand of Islam to justify their many actions but it appears they are also not averse to setting aside their 'principles' when it suits them. It is reported that IS have carried out this destruction because the shrines and statues are false idols. Plausible reason (given IS's religious fervour). Or also a good cover story? Probably both. You see, it is also reported that IS is not averse to selling artefacts to bring in revenue. This makes me wonder how much of their propaganda is simply a charade, showing them destroying artefacts (some of which were copies). I am inclined to believe the reports that IS has levelled Nimrud, given the other atrocities they are reported to have perpetrated. But it makes you wonder how much and what was sold on the black market and how much and what was destroyed? Stripping a museum and levelling a place like Nimrud is a good way of covering your tracks. :-\
I am someone who only believes what he sees, so religion cannot help me...
Unless there is a religion somewhere wich involves lead mountains...
Quote from: petercooman on 06 March 2015, 07:48:16 PM
I am someone who only believes what he sees, so religion cannot help me...
Unless there is a religion somewhere wich involves lead mountains...
There is!!!
All hail the Dark Lord. :D
All Hail The Dark Lord!
Quote from: Westmarcher on 06 March 2015, 06:46:17 PM
IS hold up their brand of Islam to justify their many actions but it appears they are also not averse to setting aside their 'principles' when it suits them. It is reported that IS have carried out this destruction because the shrines and statues are false idols. Plausible reason (given IS's religious fervour). Or also a good cover story? Probably both. You see, it is also reported that IS is not averse to selling artefacts to bring in revenue. This makes me wonder how much of their propaganda is simply a charade, showing them destroying artefacts (some of which were copies). I am inclined to believe the reports that IS has levelled Nimrud, given the other atrocities they are reported to have perpetrated. But it makes you wonder how much and what was sold on the black market and how much and what was destroyed? Stripping a museum and levelling a place like Nimrud is a good way of covering your tracks. :-\
We must remember here that our side looted Babylon in the last 5 years.....The major US base was implicated in the looting.
Not sticking up for IS.... What they do to people is a whole lot worse to what they do to heritage.
Yep. And in the middle of it all are families and kids :(
People tend to be replaced. The loss to archaeology and culture is permanent.
(Don't assume from that last that I don't care if religious people are reviving human sacrifice. I do.)
Quote from: getagrip on 06 March 2015, 09:25:43 PM
Yep. And in the middle of it all are families and kids :(
Yes! Won't someone think of the kids! There have been goats in the Middle East for at least five millennia and they've never killed anyone "for religious reasons" ... won't somebody think of the kids!!
Meh, meh.
Those goats... deforesting the land, and they always have a parasite monkey population hanging around too! Goats...
Actually, I'd like a goat for the back garden but apparently "we don't have room" :o
Try pygmy goats - small and cute.
(http://faunatech.co.uk/ekmps/shops/buriramphur/images/pygmy-goats-capra-aegagrus-hircus-6034-p.jpg)
Herts. you forgot.
.... and very tasty.
Fom Isis b****ards to cute goats. What a forum! :-bd
Well, there's only so much you can say about ignorance and malevolence before exhaustion sets in.
All religions are evil...only some religions are more evil than others.
I seem to remember that early Christians in Britain tried to destroy all the old Pagan stone circles because they were works of the devil. They failed, the pagans built to last.
Quote from: Steeleye on 07 March 2015, 11:04:17 AM
All religions are evil...only some religions are more evil than others.
Cat-worshipping is a notable exception. Though Napoleon and Mussolini would have disagreed, so if they're your role-models....
Who in their right mind would worship a KAT.....
IanS
I feel like crying when I look at 20 something girls - They were never like that when In was there age !! :'( :'(
Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 March 2015, 11:06:40 AM
Cat-worshipping is a notable exception. Though Napoleon and Mussolini would have disagreed, so if they're your role-models....
4000 years ago cats were worshipped as gods .... and they have never forgotten this :)
I'm not sure cats attention spans are that long...
Anyway, worship the goat, it's far cuter.
And makes nicer curry :D
And they'll eat anything ..... including winter pansies.
I really don't want to try cat curry, I suspect the meat would be stringy and grim. Mind, I've had some very suspect curries over the years so who knows. Tasted like chicken...
I'm fairly certain I've eaten seagull under the guise of chicken though.
Quote from: Steeleye on 07 March 2015, 11:04:17 AM
I seem to remember that early Christians in Britain tried to destroy all the old Pagan stone circles because they were works of the devil. They failed, the pagans built to last.
Plus a lot of good stuff was destroyed or vandalised by our own people (in the British Isles) in relatively more recent times (the Reformation). :(
Yes, the wonderful medieval stained glass windows in Chester cathedral. Parliamentary soldiers I believe.
Slightly off topic but had to come into work on the most glorious Spring day to try and sort out a complete balls up on a project, that is not our doing :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(. Don't know when I'll get home and to add insult to injury may have to miss the WMMS show tomorrow as a result :(.
Hatra, now. Stupid b@*&@+=*!
It's just ludicrous that they're destroying statues made before Islam even existed as a religion.
Also can't understand why any religion or ideology would ban making pictures or statues or people and animals.
Wargamers would seem to be massively unIslamic and we don't even know it.
According to this some Muslims are ok with pictures as long as they aren't worshipped as idols (http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/pictures.html), which seems a bit more balanced (if slightly weird).
Was Cromwell one of the Christian fundamentalist nuts that destroyed pictures/images in churches during the Civil War? Or was it factions even more extreme than him?
Exodus 20:3-5King James Version (KJV)
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.*
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
*Looks like Techno is going to burn then :)
Mental. Didn't know they had a similar bit in the Old Testament. I suspect a lot of Christian Fundamentalists don't know either.
EDIT - wikipedia entry says it only applies to graven images used as idols of worship and that the Israelite's temples had carvings of cherubs and animals and flowers on them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_make_unto_thee_any_graven_image) - which is strange, because it sounds like an outright religious ban on any making images of anything
Given that the Bible is directly contradictory of itself and full of lunatic gibberish about beards and shellfish, I'm not sure I'd trust it for moral or legal guidance. I mean for Ghu's sake it mentions feeding the hungry and redistributing wealth in some bits!
Crazy talk.
QuoteGiven that the Bible is directly contradictory of itself and full of lunatic gibberish about beards and shellfish, I'm not sure I'd trust it for moral or legal guidance. I mean for Ghu's sake it mentions feeding the hungry and redistributing wealth in some bits!
Crazy talk.
;D
I could back those last two bits. I'm not religious but i've no problem with religious people as long as they're not fundamentalists who want to ban other religions or atheism/agnosticism, or force everyone to adopt theirs. Just don't understand how anyone could believe in both the Old and New Testaments at once. "Turn the other cheek" and "send a bear to tear up children for laughing at bald men (http://biblehub.com/2_kings/2-24.htm)" just don't work together
Speech from "The Midterms" Episode of "The West Wing"
Written by: Aaron Sorkin
A talk show host defends calling homosexuality an "abomination" by saying that that is what the Bible says in Leviticus 18:22
This annoys President Bartlet who proceeds to ask a few pointed questions about just what one should accept from the Bible.
"I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?"
"My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?"
"Here's one that's really important cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7 If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?
"Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
"Think about those questions, would you?"
I would like to point out their is a huge difference between Religion and Faith. Just because some members of a religion are evil B*st*rds it does not mean that the faith itself is evil
Ok for my sins (and they are many :)) I am a lapsed Christian, however I was taught to question what I read in bible or got taught before applying to my faith. I understand that this is something that the Jewish faith also does to an almost obsessive point. If there are any Jewish members of the forum please feel free to correct me. I do not know if this ist he case for Islam
So I would like to qualify a couple of things.
1 Faith and being religious are almost two seperate things. I say almost because although they are closely linked they are seperate.
Faith is the belief in something that you cannot see or prove . Ie. the existance or non -existance of God .People of faith will apply a way of living to thier life
Religion is more about belief in a set of instructions.
So you can have faith in a deity and apply the principles of those beliefs to your life but not actually be religious in the true sense of the word
The problem comes where the set of instructions actually becomes more important than the faith and its application to life.
eg
Islam as a faith says you must pray to Allah 5 times a day. IS have taken this and added a rule that unless you pray in a certain way its completely wrong.
Christianity as a faith says you should be baptised. The various denominations have added thier own rules on how it should be done again saying any other way than thier particular version is wrong.
In both cases the rules have corrupted the faith, and divided the followers.
2 Many of the Religious beliefs have a qualifier that has been ignored
Here I can only talk about Christianity as i have not studied other religions as well.
A real contentious issue is the bit in a wedding where wives agree to obey thier husbands. It completely ignores all the qualifiers elsewhere in the bible.
I won't bore you with all the references etc. but the qualifier is this
1 The Husband must be:- sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome
assuming he meets the criteria above he may then consider telling his household what to do.
2 When making a decision and telling his wife or any other household member what to do, he MUST PUT THIER BEST
INTERESTS BEFORE HIS OWN, even to the point of his own death.
So suddenly the role of being in charge is not much fun. Only after putting everyone else first can you consider yourself.
Then add in the fact that the word husband and wife can probably be swapped ( the bible written by men assumed a male god ) it gives you a pretty good idea of how a married couple should actually behave to one another.
I know that this is long winded, but I just wanted to demonstrate how I believe religion has corrupted faith.
Even with those qualifiers, the automatic phallocratic assumptions are an insult to women.
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 11 March 2015, 11:56:48 PM
I believe religion has corrupted faith.
That's a very interesting point
JafO.
Faith is a slippery word. If it means belief against or without reason ("An old man with a beard and an attitude problem objects to a steak cooked in butter."), it's a psychosis. If it means the kind of belief that is significant because of the existence of that belief ("It's a good idea to help old ladies across the road."), it's the foundation of any respectable behaviour.
The first includes "God wants me to smite the unbeliever and burn his family alive" and "There are superior intelligences that long for us to love each other." The second includes "I will give my life to save someone from a burning building", but also "We don't want your kind in town, prowling around and trying to contaminate our women; got the rope ready, boys?".
Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 March 2015, 01:07:10 AM
Even with those qualifiers, the automatic phallocratic assumptions are an insult to women.
As I said the words husband and wife can probably swapped you also get the following
1 The wife must be:- sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome
2 When making a decision and telling her husband any other household member what to do, she MUST PUT THIER BEST
INTERESTS BEFORE HIS OWN, even to the point of her own death
In which case it is surely stating that you must have mutual respect for each other and put each others interests to the fore,thats is hardly phallocratic
I know there are religious people who are genuinely good people. And there are multiple interpretations of every religion, different enough that e.g a member of Islamic State and a much more moderate Sunni Muslim effectively have different religions, even though both claim to be Sunni Muslims.
And every religion and every ideology and every theory gets changed over time and becomes something very different from what it was originally - often even the opposite of what it was originally. And many of the people following the revised version don't even know what its tenets were originally. That can work positively as well as negatively though.
As my old Italian teacher used to say, every -ism ends up as cretinismo.
"I would like to point out their is a huge difference between Religion and Faith".
I agree, while religion tends to be made up of a collection of weird stories made up by goat herders in the Bronze Age and has little to do with the modern world...Faith is a really hot chick with superpowers!
"Faith is not wanting to know what is true" - Friedrich Nietzsche.
Good one.
As far as making images is concerned.....Can someone tell me if I'm a heretic, or not !
Cheers - Phil.
Are they graven images, Phil? If so, I'm afraid you've had it, mate. ;)
Nope !......I'm safe. #:-S
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 12 March 2015, 10:35:17 AM
As far as making images is concerned.....Can someone tell me if I'm a heretic, or not !
Cheers - Phil.
No - you cant make any human image according to the Koran. Mind you it is as contradictory as the old testament.
IanS
There's shed loads of "Islamic" images with human figures, animals etc. It wasn't much of an issue if it was secular art, just the whole "graven images thing" and "false idols" that was at issue (much like the frequent iconoclasm of Christian tradition, esp. Byzantine). of course, the "fun is banned" brigade have used it as an excuse to control people to the extent where some are happy to murder people for doodling.
I'm doomed....I'm doomed ! :-SS :-SS :-SS
Cheers - Mr Anonymous, who has gone into hiding.
Do you worhsop the sculpts, like some altar to a dark overlord?! Do you get more and more of them, like some obession?
Do... oh. Wait. I see what you mean.
Weeeee'reee aaaalll doooooooooooomed Mr. Leon sir!
The person you are trying to get to post, is not available, at present.
Please leave your message after the tone, and he'll completely ignore you, until his hideout has been pumped clear of rainwater.
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
Cheers - Someone who bears an uncanny resemblance to 'Techno'...But isn't him at all.
Well...
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
— Exodus 20:4-6 (KJV)
From this the Christians draw their third commandment; 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image'.
Which, like so much of their book, they pretty much ignore.
I mean these Bronze Age texts are only the unchallengable word of god (if you believe that sort of thing) so why wouldn't you pick out the bits you like and ignore the bits you don't?
Apparently a lot of Christians think that hating homosexuals, and denigrating women to be subordinate to men is important, yet giving away all their worldly possessions to the poor and abadoning their families to follow Jesus...yeah not so much...
So on the graven image problem Techno...I think you're pretty safe.
Unless you're planning to make one of Mohammed? Then you're in for a pretty rough time... 8-}
Quote"From this the Christians draw their third commandment; 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image'.
Which, like so much of their book, they pretty much ignore."
Unless you're a Byzantine iconoclast, in which case it's a burnin' time!
Can i just say...
This is probably the only forum in the world where a discussion like this has got this far without...
(http://www.chrissstreetandcompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/French-Riots.jpg)
Well done chaps! :D :-bd =D> =D> m/ =D>
Faith can move mountains .... she's a big strong girl!!
Is this the very first time I've had to find your coat, I ?
Cheers - Not Phil
Normally wears a plaid, doesn't he?
Didn't think we had any coat-virgins amongst our regulars. :-\
Quote from: Hertsblue on 13 March 2015, 09:22:32 AM
Didn't think we had any coat-virgins amongst our regulars. :-\
Well I've taken several coats to bed. But only when it's cold.
IanS
Quote from: Techno on 12 March 2015, 01:49:23 PM
Is this the very first time I've had to find your coat, I ?
Cheers - Not Phil
Given the rubbish I post? I'd have thought not. If so, you are derelict in your duty :)
Cruel....But fair ! :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
Ooh, Phi's back!
Phil's here everyone, and he's sculpting graven images!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 March 2015, 01:24:40 PM
Faith can move mountains .... she's a big strong girl!!
;D
Maybe she moves them emotionally. What would Julie Andrews say?
"f*%& you and the unicorn you rode in on, and f*%& your mother and f*%& your father and f*%& your little sister - twice."
She's really not as nice in person as her public persona would suggest.
Yeah, swears like a trooper so I'm told.
Oh, and f*%& FSN and f*%& Fenton too; splitters.
Quote from: fsn on 14 March 2015, 09:23:57 AM
the unicorn you rode in on
Sorry - no Unicorn will let me mount....unlike you....
IanS ;)
You've got to be female and a virgin to ride a unicorn. That's why you don't see many of them around....
Quote from: Hertsblue on 15 March 2015, 03:11:16 PM
You've got to be female and a virgin to ride a unicorn. That's why you don't see many of them around....
What, virgins? :D
I don't think I want to see any here get mounted by a unicorn...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 March 2015, 06:02:30 PM
I don't think I want to see any here get mounted by a unicorn...
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: getagrip on 15 March 2015, 06:03:44 PM
;D ;D ;D
Getagrip you had to lower the tone !
I fought hard, actually very hard and just managed to resist any comments about mounting or being mounted by a Unicorn. :D
Direct quote(ish) from Mr Orcs:
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 15 March 2015, 08:07:53 PM
I fought hard, actually very hard and just managed to resist being mounted by a Unicorn.
:D
Someone remind me.......What was this topic supposed to be about ? :-\
Cheers - Confused of Wales.
Quote from: Techno on 16 March 2015, 06:44:33 AM
Someone remind me.......What was this topic supposed to be about ? :-\
Cheers - Confused of Wales.
Does it matter ?
No, not really. X_X
Cheers - Phil
Destruction of ancient monuments by ISIS for potty religious reasons.
Ah.....That was it.
Thanks, Bob !
Cheers - Phil
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/video-appears-show-islamic-state-060505190.html (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/video-appears-show-islamic-state-060505190.html)
I have no words.
Saw that on Sky News this morning. Iconoclasm is just one more example of uncivilised ignorance. When it feels backed into a corner, the mind of the peasant usually reacts with bigoted violence.
They're beneath contempt; I'm right with everyone on the shock and outrage. But blaming the peasant? Aren't we forgetting 15th century Florentines burning paintings, Leo's Byzantines destroying icons, Cromwell's thugs smashing cathedrals, Conquistadors melting American metalworks, figleaves painted on frescoes...? I think civilisation (or urban life anyway) doesn't do all that very much better than rusticity in these matters, and without the bad excuse of ignorance, at that.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 April 2015, 08:07:45 AM
They're beneath contempt; I'm right with everyone on the shock and outrage. But blaming the peasant? Aren't we forgetting 15th century Florentines burning paintings, Leo's Byzantines destroying icons, Cromwell's thugs smashing cathedrals, Conquistadors melting American metalworks, figleaves painted on frescoes...? I think civilisation (or urban life anyway) doesn't do all that very much better than rusticity in these matters, and without the bad excuse of ignorance, at that.
FK, you are absolutely right. There is nothing new in bigots and idiots destroying the past in order to try and create a false basis for their point of view of events of the past and to build a false platform for their convoluted present. The question is simple 'What are these idiots so affraid of from the past that they have to destroy it?'
(I wrote a longer answer but it started getting into blatant politics so I erased the remainder.)
Well, we've established an alliance. Let's get tanked up and then go and beat the Hell out of a few iconoclastic foreigners in the street.
Quote from: fsn on 12 April 2015, 07:07:27 AM
I have no words.
Same here !! :(
Cheers - Phil
Jolly good idea FK. Lead the charge.
Can I stand at the back and shout encouragement ?
IanS :o
You first Ian, I'll shout encouragement to your shouting of encouragement!
Do you mind if I just mime?
Quote from: fsn on 12 April 2015, 07:07:27 AM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/video-appears-show-islamic-state-060505190.html (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/video-appears-show-islamic-state-060505190.html)
I have no words.
Sadly, perfectly put. :(